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Phatgirl2 
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 Posted: 25 September 2009 at 8:42am |
Babs, you are absolutely correct! I also agree that there is great discussion on here. I don't participate in this discussion, but do read it daily.
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you're absolutely right, lorster..
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I wasn't commenting on who says what or who does what..(and we are all entitled to our opinions.. ) but stating that because lev never got involved in the amnesty/ pledge.... he can't be held but that doesn't necessarily make him fair game for those who DID pledge....
that said.. I don't see a need to be nasty to anyone.. after all we are merely expressing our own opinions.. It's not a war against one another.... it's what we think.. while there's no reason not to express the reasoning behind our opinions.. it's only that... opinion |
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 7:47am |
thank you Phats.. and Hill, speaking of thought provoking discussions... What does everyone think of this intentional omission of the "health care plan"
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When you are Real most of your hair has been loved off and your eyes drop out and you get loose in your joints and very shabby once you are Real you can't be ugly except to people who don't understand
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 7:51am |
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/network.asp
they didn't answer that question.... exactly.
You can wade through the above link info.
ETA: the reason this is not considered completely truthful (the side of the van above) is because they are still telling us we will have a choice.....
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When you are Real most of your hair has been loved off and your eyes drop out and you get loose in your joints and very shabby once you are Real you can't be ugly except to people who don't understand
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 11:12am |
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i was thinking that the president would have the same answer as I would have. I like my current plan, I will keep it. it should not be any different for him. i'm not trying to defend him here babs because I'm in the same boat as you. I have these same questions. if it is good enough for me, then it should be good enough for him. i gave up trying to understand the bill, too long, complex and completely out of my league to read and understand. so i ask this question...why is it so hard to read and understand and why has someone not taken the time to go through these bills sentence by sentence and put it in a format that we, the people can understand? To me, its shady and not forthright when the american people cannot understand what it is they are supposed to be either supporting or not supporting. And I have to suspect that this is gonna pass and most of us re going to be sitting here, duped. I have to wonder what they are hiding and how many surprises are coming out of these bills.
Many Montanans are very upset with Max Baucus right now. He sold him self to the insurance industry and most likely will not be voted into office next go around. He has always been a moderate democrat and has been liked by most throughout his career but I'm afraid he has not done what the people have asked.
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 12:40pm |
QUOTE: " . . .and Hill, speaking of thought provoking discussions... What does
everyone think of this intentional omission of the "health care plan"
At this point, there are three health care bills: the House bill, the Senate HELP Committee bill, and the Senate Finance Chair's Max Baucus proposed bill. It is my understanding, that these bills would establish a health insurance exchange, where individuals could compare, shop and select from private plans, and possibly the public plan option, if that should pass. At this point, it would only be available to the uninsured -- for example, early retirees (folks not yet eligible for Medicare), the self-employed, low-wage workers (often employees of small businesses that do not provide health benefits). As I understand it, no one that currently is insured would be allowed to purchase insurance in the exchange. So yes, any federal employee, which would include the President and Congress and their families, as well as any insured public employee and their families, or any employee now provided health insurance by their employer, would not have the option of dropping their current health insurance if they were dissatisfied with it, and purchase insurance in the exchange.
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 12:52pm |
Lor,
The Senate Finance Chair's Max Baucus "Mark" (draft bill) is written in language more understandable than the amended House bill. Here's a link to the Sept. 22, 2009 modifications to that bill:
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 2:49pm |
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Thanks Joie, I appreciate you posting this.
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 6:31pm |
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Yes, thanks Joie for responding so brilliantly. I think everyone missed the part in Obama's speach where he said only 5% of the population will be covered by the public option. It just keeps being misrepresented as a total national health care plan that everyone must use, which he clearly, and repeatedly has explained - it is not.
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Life shouldn't be a journey to the grave intending to arrive safely in an attractive well preserved body; instead skid in sideways, body all worn out, screaming "WOO HOO!, What a ride!
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 6:53pm |
Originally posted by Hillhoney
Yes, thanks Joie for responding so brilliantly. I think everyone missed the part in Obama's speach where he said only 5% of the population will be covered by the public option. It just keeps being misrepresented as a total national health care plan that everyone must use, which he clearly, and repeatedly has explained - it is not. |
Sorry, I don't really trust much of what they tell us. Just one example - we've repeatedly been told that there are 45 million uninsured Americans (and I've seen some claiming 70 million or more), then all of a sudden when he gives his speech 15 million of those people have disappeared. I have a real problem with the government mandating what my insurance policy must cover. That's MY decision. Why should a high-indemnity policy be illegal?
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 7:01pm |
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Interesting conversation. I have done some reading on the Congress summary sheets, and I concur with the last statement. Obama's heath plan will not be open to the majority of Americans, or rather it will be open, but won't make sense for one to purchase probably. If you are a family of four that makes more than 88,000 or more, you will have to pay quite a bit of money to get onto the public option, so basically it would make more sense to stick with other options.
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-EXCHANGE-071409.pdfhttp://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-EXCHANGE-071409.pdf
If someone already posted, this I apologize. I read through most of the posts, but you have to admit, 97 pages of posts, is a lot. So, if I am beating a dead horse, I am sorry.
My husband is a federal employee. And, I have been getting really sick, and may have to get on his insurance. So, this whole topic of healthcare reform has been foremost on both of our minds.
I will admit we are democrats. However, we are not happy with Obama's plan. This is a complex problem and I am open to learning as much as I can. That and I am just young and scared, because I am at the beginning of my health problems, and I am just hoping I don't get screwed over by health costs. So, I am hopeful that things go well, and those of us with chronic conditions have good options.
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