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QuoteReplyTopic: cortizone shots for knee osteoarthritis Posted: 06 July 2007 at 6:14pm
Hey, new to the group. Had a motorcycle accident a few years ago, went doen and punched the pavement with my left knee, no fractures or anything else. It got progressively worse, the pain finally came to a head a few months ago and finally I sought out help from an orthpaedic surgeon. I had a very large bone spur and torn cartilege, bone spur was so large that the doctor said it was the largest one himself and the or had ever seen, but all went well arthroscopic surgery and I felt great on the 4th day. Apparently overdid it in PT and was in incredible pain, saw the dr and he gave me Methloprednisone (sorry spelling) for a week, which did not help and he ordered and MRI. got the results today and actually I was hoping I had torn cartilege and he was going to in again and presto well again! nope, it is advance degenerative osteo-a. right now I still cannot manage to walk just limping, and he gave me a cortisone shot today and said knee replacement surgery is in my near future. I am hoping other therapys work to put this off. oh, my gosh I am only 43! yes I need to lose 20 lbs but this being lazy as I call it is killing me, I ride a bike and am also a civil war reenactor, I walk alot!!!! I put down 2 pallets of sod in my yard a few months ago myself. I am not lazy. I was and I hate sawing was, so active that now I actually park close to buildings (never did that before) and I look at a set of stairs like I am about to climb mt Everest!! I think the other thing that bothers me is I try so hard to eat organic foods and take the least meds possible. But this pain, is debilitating and I will do cortizone or whatever it takes. I am trying on the weight, being careful of my portion size and hopefully someday I can go back to the gym? My membership is on hold now.
Any insight or encouragement that anyone can give I would appareciate. I can say thought that if it was not for my faith in God, I would never have made it this far.
Hi Godey, sorry that no one posted sooner but sometimes some of the threads get lost if there not in the main RA topc.
Well, once you have degenerative OA and the cartledge is gone there's not much you can do. I'm having my first knee replaced on July 16th and the other knee replaced 6-8 weeks later. I've had cortisone shots and Synvisc injections to both of my knees several times and I've run out of options. Have you talked to you ortho about Synvisc inj. It's like shooting WD40 into the joints. For me it worked well for a year but since I'm bone on bone there's not much can be done but knee replacements. Ask about Synvisc. I understand not being able to exercise and diet. I've just lost 25 lbs. and my goal is another 35 lbs. I know I have to get the weight off my joints. I plan on golfing 3 months after I have my second surgery. Keep us posted on how you're doing and talk to your doc about Synvisc. Lindy.
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Hey, new to the group. Had a motorcycle accident a few years ago, went doen and punched the pavement with my left knee, no fractures or anything else. It got progressively worse, the pain finally came to a head a few months ago and finally I sought out help from an orthpaedic surgeon. I had a very large bone spur and torn cartilege, bone spur was so large that the doctor said it was the largest one himself and the or had ever seen, but all went well arthroscopic surgery and I felt great on the 4th day. Apparently overdid it in PT and was in incredible pain, saw the dr and he gave me Methloprednisone (sorry spelling) for a week, which did not help and he ordered and MRI. got the results today and actually I was hoping I had torn cartilege and he was going to in again and presto well again! nope, it is advance degenerative osteo-a. right now I still cannot manage to walk just limping, and he gave me a cortisone shot today and said knee replacement surgery is in my near future. I am hoping other therapys work to put this off. oh, my gosh I am only 43! yes I need to lose 20 lbs but this being lazy as I call it is killing me, I ride a bike and am also a civil war reenactor, I walk alot!!!! I put down 2 pallets of sod in my yard a few months ago myself. I am not lazy. I was and I hate sawing was, so active that now I actually park close to buildings (never did that before) and I look at a set of stairs like I am about to climb mt Everest!! I think the other thing that bothers me is I try so hard to eat organic foods and take the least meds possible. But this pain, is debilitating and I will do cortizone or whatever it takes. I am trying on the weight, being careful of my portion size and hopefully someday I can go back to the gym? My membership is on hold now.
Any insight or encouragement that anyone can give I would appareciate. I can say thought that if it was not for my faith in God, I would never have made it this far.
Sorry to hear of your trouble. You are not alone. About 5 years ago I was on a ladder which collapsed and from what they tell me it basically crushed the cartilage between the talus and subtalus bone in my ankle. Living with this for the last 5 years has at times been very painful. If I stand around or go to a shopping mall or warehouse store I can pretty much count on severe pain afterwards. For me I also try to avoid taking many drugs and only take asprin. It works a little but not a magic bullet. I would suggest to you that for getting your exercise swimming is a wonderful way to be able to work up to a very good lengthy workout for weight control. The gym that I belonged to had a full size olympic pool. If yours doesn't look around for one that does. Also, you might find a ube (upper body exercisor), basically an arm bike. You peddle with your arms and you can get a good work out. Whatever you do, listen to your body and work out in a way to keep up your cardio, there are many ways to do it with out over doing it with your knee. Try to keep your knee moving as much as you can comfortably. The swimming is probably the best cardio to keep movement in your weight bearing joint, without putting so much stress on the joint. Good Luck!
Bummer! Your situation sounds a bit like mine: excellent recovery from knee surgery (tear on articular cartilage of femur) and then overdid PT (quad sets). Now I am into 4th week of extreme swelling & stiffness. I'm on the couch with ice day after day and can't seem to get better. Like you, I wish it was something my doc can go in and fix but she says no, it's osteo.
How did you overdo your PT? Which exercise in particular? Did you have swelling or stiffness with your pain? How soon after the overdoing did you have symptoms?
hi, saw some research that involved dogs in which they damaged one of the leg joints. They let some run and exerise vigiously and the others were just allowed in a cage large enough to pace in and was not allowed prolonged periods on the joint for over a year. Those dogs did not develop OA while the dogs that did the vigious workouts had a high incidence of OA. I think that in the want to get better or follow agressive PT's you may do more damage then good. I had a hand injury which wiped out several joints that were dislocated and then pinned together. I was at first trying to be easy on the PT but the person gave me the "well you aren't going to get better and your just going to get stiff and it will take for ever to recover. Since it was a Worker comp deal I had to comply or be labeled non cooperative. So needless to say the joints dissolved in less than two years going to bone on bone and needed joint recontruction. PT is important but I believe it should be done very carefully to not cause undue harm to the joint while maintaining motion etc. Just be careful is all I'm saying. The Synvisc injection is a good idea. Tried to get MCO in the WC claim to allow Doctor to do it in the fingers but it is only approved for knees and hips. The fight was taking so long that the joint dissolved and the injection was then useless in the end so gave it up and did arthroplasy. Been taking it easy on the PT and have yet to fully recover. Good luck to all, I too have Lower spine, and tumb OA so I feel your pain.
HI THERE I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU I AM ALSO 43 AND NEED KNEE REPLACEMENT IN THE NEAR FUTURE BUT I WILL KEEP ON TRYING TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE AS POSSIBLE ,I HATE STAIRS THEY SHOULD BE BANNED I ALSO FIND WALKING UP HILLS LIKE MOUNTAIN CLIMBING ,MY DOC DOES NOT GET THIS ,I HAVE HAD QUITE A FEW OPS ON MY KNEE ,ARTHROSCOPY ,TIBIAL TUBERCLE TRANSFER THEN HIGH TIBIAL OSTEOTOMY AND I AM STILL NOT BETTER LAST OP WAS FAILURE AND THEY CANT DO ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT JOINT REPLACEMENT HAVING A COURSE OF CORTISONE INJECTIONS AT THE MOMENT T0 SEE IF THEY HELP NO DOCTOR WILL DO REPLACEMENT YET AS THEY SAY I AM TOO YOUNG AND ALSO IT MIGHT NOT FIX THE WHOLE PROBLEM KEEP YOR CHIN UP AND START CYCLING ON AN EXERCICE BIKE OR WALK IN THE WATER WILL HELP YOU LOSE WEIGHT AND FEEL BETTER ANYONE OUT THERE LIKE MEPLEASE GET IN TOUCH AND WE WILL TALK
THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE OUT THERE WORSE OFF THAN YOU !!!!
HI THERE I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU I AM ALSO 43 AND NEED KNEE REPLACEMENT IN THE NEAR FUTURE BUT I WILL KEEP ON TRYING TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE AS POSSIBLE ,I HATE STAIRS THEY SHOULD BE BANNED I ALSO FIND WALKING UP HILLS LIKE MOUNTAIN CLIMBING ,MY DOC DOES NOT GET THIS ,I HAVE HAD QUITE A FEW OPS ON MY KNEE ,ARTHROSCOPY ,TIBIAL TUBERCLE TRANSFER THEN HIGH TIBIAL OSTEOTOMY AND I AM STILL NOT BETTER LAST OP WAS FAILURE AND THEY CANT DO ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT JOINT REPLACEMENT HAVING A COURSE OF CORTISONE INJECTIONS AT THE MOMENT T0 SEE IF THEY HELP NO DOCTOR WILL DO REPLACEMENT YET AS THEY SAY I AM TOO YOUNG AND ALSO IT MIGHT NOT FIX THE WHOLE PROBLEM KEEP YOR CHIN UP AND START CYCLING ON AN EXERCICE BIKE OR WALK IN THE WATER WILL HELP YOU LOSE WEIGHT AND FEEL BETTER ANYONE OUT THERE LIKE MEPLEASE GET IN TOUCH AND WE WILL TALK
I'm right there with you on that one hoppy! My knees are so bad I am confined to a wheelchair to walk even ten paces or so is beyond me yet I am only 45! I have been seen my the surgeon who has told me the usual spiel. Lose pounds then we will replace them. I was referred ( or so I was told and thought ) to the Pain clinic by my GP because if the surgeon did it it would take a year and a half whereas the GP's referral was 13 weeks. I found out the other day he 'forgot' to refer me :( Wracked in pain, can't sleep because of it )and only on Dihydrocodeine 30mg for relief which is about as useless as a chocolate fireguard. I have my NHS wheelchair and I HATE it with a passion.
My problem is that I'm such an active person. I LOVE to walk, LOVE to shop, LOVE to run up and down stairs- or at least I used to. It's so frustrating to not even be able to stand from a sitting position without being totally unstable and silently screaming in pain.
I agree! Stairs should be banned and shops with a step to enter should have automatic ramps.
I'll tell you what else bugs me too and that's stores who stck things in the middle of isles or close to the shelves. So close you cannot get around in a wheelchair. It's like they only want able bodies people in there. Many times I feel not wanted, or a second rate citizen. As if being stared at and felt sorry for in the street isn't bad enough
I wish you luck on the cycling machine! I really do - wish I could join you, but alas mine are that bad they hardly bend at all now, only creaking like very old and warped doors. Quite why surgeons cannot understand that to lose weight we need to excercise. HOW does one do that when one can't even move properly and without excruciating pain??? It makes me laugh when most of the surgeons that tell you to lose weight are hypocrites in the highest! They should look at themselves before preaching to us!
Hi, I'm new to the group, too, but I did want to respond to the guy looking at total knee replacement, asking for encouragement and possible alternate treatment options until he's gets a little older. Poor baby, you do need encouragement….Osteoarthritis sure ain't for “sissies”!It usually occurs in people who where always very active.I think that’s the most “painful” thing about it. My background: I am 62, a retired R.N., and I developed OA symptoms in my right hand when I was about 38-39. I remember my first HMO family practice doc told me, "You have to expect this sort of thing at your age." (She herself looked about 12, and I might've slapped her, but my hand hurt too much!) The only treatment I ever received from any of my doctors for the pain, swelling, stiffness, and "locking" of my right CMC joint (wrist-thumb joint) was one NSAID after another.They didn’t help and the OA just progressed until I was forced to have CMC Joint Replacement plus thumb PIP joint fusion about 5-6 years ago. (There are a lot of nerves in hands, so recovery is not fun!) About 4 years ago I had a reaction from a flu shot which resulted in the injection site becoming very red, accompanied by fever and pain/swelling in all my joints at the same time. After a 5-day Medrol Dose Pak, everything immediately went back to normal EXCEPT for my right knee. I had an x-ray and was told it was advanced OA. I was surprised because I'd never had any symptoms in my right knee before then.
In my opinion, most family practice and internal medicine doctors use treatment routines they learned by rote in medical school -- without even thinking about what they're doing.I told my family doctor that years of taking NSAID had never helped my hand before I had surgery, and now the pain in my knee was seriously affecting my ability to work. As a devoted “pill pusher”, he told me to try Vioxx, a new NSAID, for 6 months. At first it was helpful, but that didn't last. It did, however, cause severe side effects involving my stomach/esophagus, and I was also breaking out in giant hives because I'd became so sensitized to NSAIDs. So I quit taking it. (Good thing--it was later taken off the market for causing hearts attacks, etc.) When I returned to my doctor, my right knee was very swollen, very red, very hot to the touch, and extremely painful. He examined me, muttered a few "tsks", then he sent me to Physical Therapy! I couldn't believe it. My knee was so painful I couldn't even get through the initial assessment! So I went back to my doctor and insisted he refer me to an orthopaedic surgeon. He did, but was reluctant, saying I must "want" surgery! (Excuse me, but orthopaedic surgeons actually do more treatments than just surgery!) The Ortho I saw discussed several options with me, and told me also I'd probably be looking at surgery in not too many years. Since joint replacements don't last forever, I wanted to wait as long as I could before haveing surgery. (The surgery works longest for people who are less active--usually older people.)One option was a series of Synvisc injections. They are intended to act as a "cushion" in the joint where the cartilage has been destroyed. FYI: Some people have good improvement; some don't. People allergic to EGGS shouldn't take them. I'm not allergic to eggs, but since my problem starting with an allergic reaction to "something" in a flu shot,it was not a good option for me. My best option was steroid injections. (For one thing injections don't hurt the stomach!) The steroid injections directly into the knee joint were not very painful.He did it right in the exam room and it was over in a few minutes. After a few days I was able to return to Physical Therapy and complete the prescribed course. FYI: The steroid injections aren't recommended more often than every 6 months. They didn't completely eliminate my pain, but they did help a lot. I could no longer take NSAIDs and I could not function using pain meds. However, I managed with a COMBINED TREATMENT PLAN consisting of the direct steroid injections every 6 months, a home exercise program (learned at Physical Therapy), and a combination of ice/ heat/ rest for pain and swelling (applications also learned at P.T.), as well as a "positive attitude" and distracting myself mentally, rather than focusing on the pain (techniques I'd learned in Hand Therapy post op), I was able to continue working until I could get on social security. (Nursing can frequently get very “physical”!) My OA is end stage now. I use a cane to walk outside my home—takes away from some of the “weight bearing” on my right knee.(Unlike “Dr. House” on TV—use the cane in the hand opposite the affected leg!) Personally, I just love using the "disability" sign in my car--I hate to walk across big parking lots! The most important thing is to keep moving to the best of your ability—USE IT or LOSE IT! I found a pretty good set of DVD’s at a book shop with exercises for people with arthritis.There are things out there—find them. Also find a well-reputed Physical Therapy facility -- Ask your Ortho. A good therapist has "magical" things to teach you for a home program! (After you learn what you can do safely, then maybe you can return to your gym!) Gaining weight is a problem.While I was still active, I was a small woman who could eat like a longshoreman and never gain weight.Well, those days are gone!One of my biggest pitfalls is being married to an Italian who is a gormet cook.I need to lose weight because I'll be scheduling total knee replacement surgery for sometime this winter. From what I've heard, Weightwatchers works pretty well. It will take dicipline on my part...and possibly hurting my husband's feelings by saying “no” to his delicious food.However, I just bought a book of Weightwatcher recipes for him—now he’s all enthused to try them out!Don’t bury yourself in self-pity....you got a bad break, true; but you're not dead! Changes are a part of life—we just have to change with them. Eleanor Roosevelt once said, “When something absolutely must be done, one usually finds a way of doing it!”
You may have to “reinvent” yourself a bit, but you’ll find your way.
Hi Godey, sorry that no one posted sooner but sometimes some of the threads get lost if there not in the main RA topc.
Well, once you have degenerative OA and the cartledge is gone there's not much you can do. I'm having my first knee replaced on July 16th and the other knee replaced 6-8 weeks later. I've had cortisone shots and Synvisc injections to both of my knees several times and I've run out of options. Have you talked to you ortho about Synvisc inj. It's like shooting WD40 into the joints. For me it worked well for a year but since I'm bone on bone there's not much can be done but knee replacements. Ask about Synvisc. I understand not being able to exercise and diet. I've just lost 25 lbs. and my goal is another 35 lbs. I know I have to get the weight off my joints. I plan on golfing 3 months after I have my second surgery. Keep us posted on how you're doing and talk to your doc about Synvisc. Lindy.
I am 49 and have OA. I had the physical therapy and no good; had coritsone shots no good; now 2nd session with synvisc. The injection did not hurt and there have been no side effects. But I feel like I have little muscle spasms going on; does not hurt just feels weird. Anyone experience that?
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