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Ok, this has really been grating on me lately and I just wanted to ask those
of you from Europe this question. I have been following the missing
Madeline story and am heart broken about this little girl. And now the
parents have become suspects in her disappearance which is so sad to me.
Last night, the brother of the dad said that it is customary for people in
Europe to put their kids to bed and go to dinner. Is this true? Have you ever
heard of this? This practice just blows me away. I cannot imagine doing
this. Tell me this is not common practice. Lori! I've been wondering the same thing! I've been following the story as well, and it's just terrible. I can't say that I've ever heard of anyone doing that! And we lived in Europe!!

Well Its not a normal practice that I know of but I think in the McCanns case, they were on a supposedly safe complex in spitting distance of their apartment and checking on the children very regularly. It doesnt excuse them for leaving the kids but as they said in an interview they feel not so much gulity but niave in thinking the children would be safe there for 20 minute intervals.

It is so sad how things are progressing in this case, I am all for innocent until proven guilty and would like to think that the parents had nothing whatsoever to do with it. I do think that the portuguese laws have made things difficult in tracing the little girl and their delay in starting the search for her may have led to her not being found.

The case is huge here, on every news channel and local news too. I find it hard to even comprehend what they must be going through if it is a case of abduction. I suppose the police have to go through this line of enquiries as everyone involved is a suspect until proven otherwise.

Im sorry but I dont care how "safe" the hotel is and how close you are to the room you DONT leave children in there alone at the age that they are at.  It is one thing if they are 9,10, 11 but not young kids as they are.  For my cousins wedding we were on the same floor of the hotel room but on the opposite side of the main part of the hotel and I would never have left Kelsay in the room by herself.  Hire a babysitter or bring the kids with.  As sad as it is these parents need to take responsibilty for their actions.They interviewed an expert last night and he was saying that this custom of
putting the children to bed and going to dinner was most likely observed by
someone who probably sat by and cased the situation and then moved
in....but what I do not understand is why the twins were not taken as well.
This puzzles me.

Yeah, this is one of those cases that really gets to everyone, worldwide.  I don't know what or who to believe.  There are things the parents have done that really make you wonder.  I can't imagine leaving my kids that young alone while I went to dinner.  Even if you don't anticipate someone breaking in to harm them, what if there were a fire?  A lot can happen in 20 minutes! 

I also have to say, the mother's pleas and statements make me wonder.  She "sounds" like she is choked up and crying, but I don't see it in her eyes and her face??  I haven't seen any tears, and when I cry I get all blotchy, my nose runs, etc.  If you compare her demeanor to the poor mother who accidently left her 2 year old in the car all day, the difference is dramatic.

Left her 2 year old in a car? How did I miss that one??????? I believe the Mom is too poised and dressed for success. Looks to me she has not lost any sleep over this?? Joannejjarmani39336.4911574074yea how do you "accidently" leave your 2 year old i the car.  Im sorry when Kelsay was 2 there was NO way you could forget that she was there since she was always blabbing about something...i dont know where she gets that from.  Yea like Karen says, alot can happen in 20 minutes, heck in 10 minutes even.  Im not sure what to believe either

Katie, here is a link about the tragedy with the toddler:

 

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=fe8dec8 3-352a-430c-814a-e7c5035f2ba7

 

Holy crap Karen! That is so sad...........I can't imagine what she's dealing with right now. We all say we could never forget that we put our kids somewhere, but I think it's probably one of those things that until it happens to you, you just can't imagine it. We all get TERRIBLE brain fog so I think it might be a quick judgment to say that we would NEVER do anything like that. It is highly unlikely, but not impossible. Nothing is impossible.

I forgot my son at home once and I felt like the most horrible mother in the world.  Jamie was an infant, Tori was in kindergarten, and Dan was in nursery school.  Jamie was in the house napping and I was lost in thought, working around the house.  I suddenly looked up, realized I was supposed to be at the nursery school right now, to pick up Dan. 

I dashed out the door, jumped into the car and made it to the end of my street before it dawned on me that Jamie was home alone.  I felt so guilty!  He was alone for no more than a minute or two, but the fact that I forgot him horrified me.  I can absolutely understand how this happened to this poor mother, and I feel so badly for everyone involved.

Hillhoney39336.512337963When I worked at the daycare we would sometimes have parents who forgot to pick their kids up. Something would have changed in their day, dad was supposed to pick up, but they traded, or mom was supposed to pick up but called grandma to do it for her....and then mom or grandma would forget, as it wasn't part of their day originally. They were always mortified but we always understood. We had a lot of poorer families and broken homes, basically a lot of people with a whole lot of sh*t on their plates, and I can see how changing your regular pattern can really throw you off when you've got so much to think about. HillH, It really bothers me when we expect others to show emotion the same way that we do, i.e. they are not crying real tears, etc.  So they are not turning blue or green, but that does not mean that they are not grieving.  This has been mentioned in the media at times and we just have to stop thinking that everyone grieves the same way. I do not cry in front of others if I can help it, but you can bet your britches that I am crying on the inside and when I get home the kleenex box is emptied.
I agree with others that I would not leave my babies alone and the fact that they were in a strange country is even more reason to be cautious. I really feel bad for everyone concerned.  I hope this is solved soon.

I left my baby in the pharmacy. My eldest is 19 and she was a colicky baby who screamed constantly, she was 3 weeks old and i had to pick up colic medicine from the pharmacy. I hadnt slept in days and left the pharmacy in a tired haze. I went home, made a coffee, sat down and opened the newspaper.The phone rang and it was my hubby, calling to see how I was coping with the baby screaming. Huh!!! What baby?? Oh hell, I ran crying all the way to the pharmacy and blabbered to the woman behind the counter. She was there holding my little darling trying to comfort her.

I had to reassure myself that I wasnt a bad mum just a tired one.

 

Now & Then, I agree with you, and everyone has their own way of to reacting things.  I probably shouldn't have even mentioned it.  I guess the thing that made it stand out to me is that she sounded like she was crying in her voice, but there were no tears.  It just somehow felt fake.  But you are correct in calling me on that.  I agree with you.  And as I said, I don't know what to believe on that one, and no matter what, it is an awful tragedy. Hillhoney39336.6047916667

The case is massive here, they are being heavily criticised for leaving the children and i understand social services may start an investigation. It is not the norm to leave kids unattended no matter how close you were to the room, they left the door unlocked which is beyond belief as well.

In fact on the continent it is the norm to let your kids sleep in the afternoon then take them with you to dinner.

The evidence against them seems to be mounting, they claim to have found Maddys DNA in the car the parents hired some 25 days after she disappeared, which indicates that somehow they disposed of the body. Of course it's all speculation at the mo, but if it is true it shakes your faith in mankind.

The parents even got an audience with the Pope, if they did something to the little girl then saw and lied to the Pope, its quite simply something I can't understand.

Has anyone checked out the website findmadeline.com?  This seems like a big fund raising event instead of a missing little girl.I always thought it was the parents.  Or at least that it might be.  It seems to me that in a hotel as "secure" and ritzy as that one is supposed to be, that someone or some camera, would have seen something.  And even if they didn't physically harm the child, they're still guilty.  If not for their extreme negligence, that girl would still be around.  I think their other kids should be taken away too.  They are either too stupid, too careless or too selfish to be parents.

 

  Nothing about this story makes any sense! It sickens me to think the parents were any part in little Maddy's disappearance. Even if it was an accidental overdose it was for purely selfish reasons.Apparently they found a large amount of her hair and some bodily fluids in
that rented car 25 days after the little girl disappeared. I also feel these
parents are neglegent as others have said, this little girl would be alive if
they had spent a bit of money on a sitter. These are rich people, they could
have afforded that. Yeah, but if you can't afford a sitter, then you stay home.  Not go out anyway.hehe, yes, what a novel idea, that is certainly the way i handled it when my
kids were little. Everyone is talking like she is dead, not missing. Makes me
wonder.what is that illness called? munchhousens by proxy? maybe that is what the
mom has....or the dad.That's an interesting proposal, Lori. I wonder what her medical records state. How many times she's been to the doctor. That would be a clue towrads munchhousens by proxy. I wonder if anyone has even looked into that? That's a crazy disease.  I saw a special on it once years ago.  When the doctors started susupecting it they put a hidden camera in this kids rooom.  The mom put a pillow over the kids face, no kidding.  They had it on tape.Oh yeah I've watched lots of stories on it. We've suspected a few parents at the daycare of it as well. Only turned out to be the case once. The others well, they were crazy moms too, but not in that sense. It really is a strange idea all together.
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