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I read this article in the paper today. I am doing some research on the bill.  Has anyone heard of this act?  Has anyone researched and has some pro's or con's.  I would love to know if you do!

'Is this what America stands for?'

Hillary Clinton talks about healthcare reform in terms of "American values, American families and American jobs."

Barack Obama talks about healthcare as a "right for everyone, not a privilege for the few."

John McCain talks about making insurance more affordable "by fostering competition and innovation."

Uwe Reinhardt talks about outrages.

The Princeton economics professor tells of a hospital patient charged ,000 for a night in the intensive care unit and 1 for stockings that run at a drugstore. He tells of a father who sought treatment for his son's infected eye and got billed ,200.

"Is this what America stands for?" he asked. But it wasn't really a question.

"This is not what this country stands for, this is not what my boy [a Marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan] fought for," Reinhardt told editorial writers from around the country at the University of Maryland's Knight Center for Specialized Journalists.

For anyone who's paid a hospital bill lately, been faced with insurance premiums almost doubling, or agonized over how to afford medical treatment on a tight budget, healthcare reform isn't an abstract policy debate. And the presidential hopefuls, both Democratic and Republican, are acknowledging that it's an issue that could sway voters in November -- as well it should.

In the current healthcare system, spending per capita has increased about 4.5 percent a year for about four decades, much faster than the 2 percent annual growth of per-capita gross domestic product, Reinhardt explained.

"While we as a nation can afford this spending, the lower middle class can no longer afford it," he said.

And increased spending doesn't necessarily buy increased quality of care. A Dartmouth Medical School analysis of Medicare, which covers older Americans, found vast disparities in payments -- but they varied based on geography rather than on how sick the patients were, or how good the treatment.

Yet payment structures, for government-subsidized and private insurance, reward use of expensive tests and specialized treatment whether or not they're the best options.

"Physicians and the public don't have good information about quality care," said Risa Lavizzo-Mourey, president and CEO of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which promotes healthcare improvements.

She advocated providing "evidence-based national guidelines for what works and what doesn't."

For instance, there's evidence that giving a patient an antibiotic an hour before surgery reduces the chance of infection, while administering it either earlier or later is less effective. But that kind of standard is available "only for a fraction of the care we provide," she told the Knight Center fellows last week.

Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, said the climate is more receptive for adopting a national plan to revamp health insurance -- many Republicans now recognize that fixing the system will require covering everyone, and more Democrats recognize that government can't do it without involving private insurers.

He's trying to sell his colleagues on S 334, the Healthy Americans Act. It would, among other things, require all Americans to buy health insurance but make sure they can afford it.

Under the bill, employers would either turn premium subsidies into higher wages or contribute to a pool to help individuals or lower-income families buy insurance. Government would assist those below the poverty line. Insurance firms wouldn't be able to cover only healthy people but could offer discounts to encourage healthful behavior.

On Dec. 7, Wyden and co-sponsor Bob Bennett, R-Utah, announced that they were up to a bipartisan 13 backers, including Republicans Trent Lott of Mississippi and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Democrat Debbie Stabenow of Michigan and independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut.

"There's a real chance that this may be the time the waters part," Wyden said. But he's realistic: "I never underestimate the capacity of the United States government to take something that's doable and somehow unravel it all."

Reinhardt said that Americans who most likely would benefit from "a progressively financed, universal health insurance scheme" either don't vote or "vote for candidates promising them that one day they, too, will be billionaires, as long as they keep taxes and government spending low."

If 2008 isn't the time to stop following false logic, when will be?

The Healthy Americans Act

For more on S 334, go to:

www.wyden.senate.gov/issues/Legislation/Healthy_Americans_Ac t.cfm

www.bennett.senate.gov/healthyamericans

Star-Telegram editorial writer. 817-390-7867

 

I plan on doing some additional research on this.  From the little that I've read it sounds more  reasonable than having a national healthcare plan which would only band-aid an already wounded system of insurance and healthcare.  It also keeps health insurance with the private sector and not run by the government.  Don't have any opinions yet but do have some ideas.  Lindy I always find it odd that Americans trust the private sector more than their democratically elected government. Isn't the government for the people by the people (and made up of Americans)? I would rather have a representative of me accountable for my health insurance than some guy just out to make a buck who I never voted for.  Private sector corporations are LEGALLY OBLIGATED to maximise profit (IE---a corporate medical research company will NEVER find a cure for anything because that would decrease profit, something they are legally prohibited from doing. Also, a private insurance company will deny as many claims as it thinks it can get away with). You can vote out a government that isn't living up to it;s obligations. You can't do that with a CEO!

Anyway, I always find that attitude kind of inexplicable, so I just wanted to throw that into the mix.
Thanks Lindy, I was thinking the same thing.  I know how Medicare/medicaid works and DO NOT want to be under a similar system.  I like the personal responsibility of paying for your own health care and the ability to choose what insurance company you want.  Keeping health care competitive is always a good idea.  There is a condition for poor people too.   MaryBlooms, in Canada how it works is there's the basic universal coverage run by the government that covers a set list of things and then you can also get extended insurance which is private and covers more things. That's what I have and it's why I can try things like Traditional Chinese Medicine on top of my basic Western care. This ensures that all Canadians have a basic foundation of care but then we can purchase more that is tailored to our needs.


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Gimpy-a-gogo39433.565162037Hi Gimpy,
I work in healthcare here in the US.  It is very interesting how it works.  I have worked with Medicare/Medicaid and it is a very frustrating system.  Many people are working on changing it, but it like any other bureaucracy.  Once a bureaucracy is in place, voting for a candidate does not change it much at all. 

I don't want a universal health plan that ends up like medicare.  I don't want social security either.  I can make better decisions than the government can for my best interest. If I don't like the service I get from an insurance company I can change it.  Not so for a Medicare/medicaid recipient.  I believe in personal responsibility. I don't want the government making those decisions for me.  A regular citizen cannot get Medicare to change any of its policies.  A regular person can take their own money and give it to an insurance company that will do what they want.

This is a very "American" point of view and I know that many people don't "get" it.  I do think it is rather strange that many other countries criticize America for the decisions it makes, yet think we should give the government control of our health care. 

Trust me, Medicare denies many more claims than private insurance ever does.  Who do you think eats the cost for that?  The provider who then charges a person who pays cash for healthcare.  Not a fair system.
[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]I always find it odd that Americans trust the private sector more than their democratically elected government. Isn't the government for the people by the people (and made up of Americans)? I would rather have a representative of me accountable for my health insurance than some guy just out to make a buck who I never voted for.  Private sector corporations are LEGALLY OBLIGATED to maximise profit (IE---a corporate medical research company will NEVER find a cure for anything because that would decrease profit, something they are legally prohibited from doing. Also, a private insurance company will deny as many claims as it thinks it can get away with). You can vote out a government that isn't living up to it;s obligations. You can't do that with a CEO!

Anyway, I always find that attitude kind of inexplicable, so I just wanted to throw that into the mix.
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Thing is, "democratically elected" doesn't seem to mean what we all think it should.  I could tell you tales of election fraud (I see dead people!!!), bribes, forged documents, vote-buying...

And when the Election Board is appointed by the governors (our ex-governor is in prison right now, and our current one will probably be there before long), they almost always let the good old boys win.By the way, my insurance pays for massage therapy, PT/OT, chiropratic and acupuncture.  Medicare more than likely would not. During open season I review all the benefits of various health insurance plans and decide which will provide the best care for me.

Unless one lives in the U.S. under the watchful eye of the government, works in the private sector, votes, follows the political scene closely, and understands that the politicians and the government are all flawed, will never understand our disregard for government involvement in our lives, including our health.  I much prefer my health insurance be administered by the private sector than the government.  Unfortunately, because I have Medicare I have to abide by the government rules.  Fortunately, I also have private insurance.  It's saved me many times over. 

The Healthy Americans Act will give a certain amount of personal responsibility to the individual and rightly it should.  The government is not set up to take care of every single person in the U.S.  It's set-up to represent every single person in the U.S.  By setting this act in motion it is representing and not personally taking care of each person,  only the people who truly can't take care of themselves. 

It also takes to task the insurance industry for selectively covering individuals.  There will be no pre-exist for individuals but there will be heavy case management and each and every treatment will have to be pre-approved which will put an extreme strain on health providers.

One of my great concerns with this act: If one has private insurance, does it mean that you'll be rolled over to the new plan or can you continue with your present plan?  I for one don't want to change my insurance. 

There will be many internal problems with providers, facilities, and patient's lack of understanding the process.  I think it will be a very confusing process for individuals.  I do want to read more about it and do some research.  I've read the links that you posted Mary B. and thanks.  Lindy     

 

I understand what you're saying.

BTW, massage therapy, PT/OT, and chiropratic are all covered under universal healthcare here (although not as much as they used to be). As an arthritic person I am covered for unlimited OT/PT at the arthritis centre I get treated at.  People possibly looking at disability can also get vocational retraining.Acupuncture will soon be included as well.

My extended medical covers dental, private hospital rooms, and pays for most of my portion of splints, orthotics and prescriptions.
PS...if you're getting your covergae through your employer wouldn't they be choosing your medical plan?

[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]PS...if you're getting your covergae through your employer wouldn't they be choosing your medical plan?

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Most employers who offer insurance have several different plans to choose from.

Employers also see it as a way to attract and retain valuable employees.

The government knows they've got us. "The Princeton economics professor tells of a hospital patient charged ,000 for a night in the intensive care unit and 1 for stockings that run at a drugstore. He tells of a father who sought treatment for his son's infected eye and got billed ,200."

This brings up another sore spot.  Why in the hell does everything cost so much at the hospital?  When I went to the ER for a severe burn on my hand, the doctor looked at it, had the nurse bandage it up, and sent me home.  I was billed almost 0 for supplies, which were: a roll of gauze, a roll of tape, and a small jar of antibiotic ointment.

Total cost of all those things at the local RETAIL (i.e. for a profit) drugstore was under .  In addition to a 300% markup on supplies, I was charged over 0 for the ER visit itself, and received a separate bill for the doctor (can't remember how much that was).

There is no way in hell it cost that much to treat me.  But it was workmen's comp, so it was paid without question. Hi Jasmine,
I am finishing up a class on health care financial management.  It is interesting how it works.

The government tells the facility/physician what they will pay and the insurance company has a contract that they have previously agreed on the amount they will pay. 

The only person who actually pays the amount billed is a person who pays cash. 

I have had to create spreadsheets based on Medicare payment/insurance payment and how to "cost shift" the other charges to private pay patients.
[QUOTE=maryblooms]Hi Jasmine,
I am finishing up a class on health care financial management.  It is interesting how it works.

The government tells the facility/physician what they will pay and the insurance company has a contract that they have previously agreed on the amount they will pay. 

The only person who actually pays the amount billed is a person who pays cash. 

I have had to create spreadsheets based on Medicare payment/insurance payment and how to "cost shift" the other charges to private pay patients.
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And then they wonder why people don't/can't pay their bills...

If it weren't for cost shifting the medical treatment centers would be out of business and don't forget for a moment that hospital, clinics, urgent care, PT, OT and DME are businesses.  They need to make money to survive.  There is a whole twisted game that is played out between hospitals and the federal government regarding contracts, charges, reimbursements, and cost shifting.  It makes the savings and loan and mortgage brokers look like sheer amateurs.  In many ways it works and in many ways it doesn't.  It's good for some and not good for others. 

I've worked both in nursing, hospital administration and in the private sector health insurance industry and none of these entities are without fault.  The government run health insurance program won't be much different than what's happening with Medicare/Medicaid.  The system is flawed and broken and all our representatives do is band-aid it.  It's going to take the private sector stepping in and saying I can effectively run the Health American Act and prove it, and then the private sector can be held ACCOUNTABLE for the results.   You can't hold the federal government accountable except with your vote.  Apathy runs rampant in our voting community but then that's another whole thread.  Lindy 

My husband is self-employed (not by choice - his job was exported to Pakistan).  We are currently living with COBRA insurance and the cost is killing us.  We have tried everything we can to purchase our own individual insurance, but no one will insure us because of our preexisting conditions.  We are willing to PAY for insurance, but no one will insure us.  Oh, there is "high risk" insurance out there, but it would cost more than our mortgage.

We chose the least expensive option available to us in the COBRA plans offered by my husband's former employer.  Last year we paid more than ,000 in insurance premiums.  In addition, we had to cover the first ,000 in medical costs.  Over ,000 and that was the only option available to us.  Guess what - we just got a notice that the cost for our insurance premium is going up beginning next month - we will be paying ,664 more next year!

My husband has tried to get a permanent position which would provide benefits, but the industry he is in prefers to hire consultants, in part because of the high cost of benefits! 

Medical costs and insurance costs are out of control and we need to do something now.  The question is what?

LinB you are exactly right.  That is how it works. We as individuals can have more influence on a company than a huge bureaucracy. 

Hillhoney, I am so sorry to hear that.  From what I have read this plan does not allow insurance companies to use "pre existing" conditions to discriminate.

Medical and insurance costs are out of control and one reason is that the consumer was not really in the picture.  Because most insurance is through an employer the individual had no idea what the costs were or if they were increasing. 

I would hope this bill will help with that.
That is all great, but what about that single mom with 3 kids who makes
9.00 an hour. How much out of her pocket can she afford for health care?You would need to look at the tables for individual circumstances. In that circumstance she would save 7 a year.  At our income level we would pay 9 more than I do now, but we can afford it. 
At 9.00 an hour, three children, lets say 2 in day care. Her gross income is
18,700 a year. She would still need government medical care or she simply
wouldn't have it because if rent is 800 a month, she is pretty much hosed.
This still means, in the end that some of us could afford private and many
would have to either rely on public or not have it. How is that equal health
care for all? I'm not trying to pick a fight here by any means as I feel this is
a great thread. I'm trying to understand how we could all get equal health
care and not depend on our government to supply it. It really is about profit
and I don't think any company that is out to make a profit is interested in
helping a single mom with three kids that makes 9 bucks an hour. I think you need to read the bill and look at the tables.  This is making sure everyone is covered.  The government picks up the tab for those who would normally qualify for medicaid. [QUOTE=lorster]At 9.00 an hour, three children, lets say 2 in day care. Her gross income is
18,700 a year. She would still need government medical care or she simply
wouldn't have it because if rent is 800 a month, she is pretty much hosed.
This still means, in the end that some of us could afford private and many
would have to either rely on public or not have it. How is that equal health
care for all? I'm not trying to pick a fight here by any means as I feel this is
a great thread. I'm trying to understand how we could all get equal health
care and not depend on our government to supply it. It really is about profit
and I don't think any company that is out to make a profit is interested in
helping a single mom with three kids that makes 9 bucks an hour. [/QUOTE]

In this neck of the woods, she would get subsidized (Section 8) housing (she might have to pay 0 in rent), probable gas and electric assistance, subsidized childcare, WIC, Link (credit-card replacement for food stamps - about 0 a month or more), and if her children are school-aged, they would get free breakfast and lunch at school.
I think that is normal anywhere Jasmine.  I haven't worked in social services for a while, but that is the norm.  That family would be eligible for medicaid too.  

If I'm reading the Healthy Americans Act, then the above mentioned family will be covered by entitlements and subsidies because they fall below the poverty level for a family of 4.  There will be fewer people who fall between the cracks if this act passes.  

A working family who can't afford health insurance presently will be able to have health insurance with this plan.  The biggest majority of noncovered individuals are the "working poor".  I hate to use that term but it's one the government uses readily to describe families where both mom and dad are working, make a little too much money for Medicaid, and are left with no health coverage because premiums are astronomical.  See Hillhoney's post above.  This shouldn't happen in the richest country in the world.   The children don't qualify for the state program because their parents income is a little higher than allowable. 

There is one part of this act I find disturbing and that it gives the "health police" more power.  I don't care if someone smokes.  I feel it's their health and money.  It's their right to destroy their health.  With this plan employers and employees will be rewarded for good health practices.  Will that mean in the future that people that have bad health practices will be penalized in some way?  I'm not sure that I find that having the insurance company sitting in my house telling me that I can't smoke, drink, or practice unsafe sex is what I want from my insurance company.  Smokers have been penalized for a long time when it comes to health insurance premiums. 

The actuaries will love it.  They'll state that claims cost will be reduced, health benefit dollars going to providers will be reduced, everyone will be healthy, or not.  I don't smoke, drink, or practice unsafe sex and even if I did, I don't want some clerk on a phone from the insurance company lecturing me.  Managed healthcare only works up to a certain point and I think that point will be reached sooner than later if this act passes.  I would hope they'll be modification to the language and moderation for managed healthcare.  Lindy  

And if they are going to penalize people who smoke and drink, will they also penalize people who dine at McDonalds and never exercise?  Or don't follow doctor's orders (prescriptions, etc)?

JasmineRain, I'm not a doomsday type of person but I see it coming.  Lindy

Hmm, good point Lindy.  I will have to look more into that part.   [QUOTE=JasmineRain]
[QUOTE=lorster]At 9.00 an hour, three children, lets say 2 in day care.
Her gross income is
18,700 a year. She would still need government medical care or she
simply
wouldn't have it because if rent is 800 a month, she is pretty much hosed.
This still means, in the end that some of us could afford private and many
would have to either rely on public or not have it. How is that equal
health
care for all? I'm not trying to pick a fight here by any means as I feel this
is
a great thread. I'm trying to understand how we could all get equal
health
care and not depend on our government to supply it. It really is about
profit
and I don't think any company that is out to make a profit is interested in
helping a single mom with three kids that makes 9 bucks an hour.
[/QUOTE]In this neck of the woods, she would get subsidized (Section 8)
housing (she might have to pay 0 in rent), probable gas and electric
assistance, subsidized childcare, WIC, Link (credit-card replacement for
food stamps - about 0 a month or more), and if her children are
school-aged, they would get free breakfast and lunch at school.[/QUOTE]


Jasmine, with all due respect. All of a sudden everyone wants to keep our
healthcare privatized and I'm not saying that is bad. I don't know enough
about the entire plan to have an opinion. But, what I'm hearing here is it
is ok for this mom to have to rely on the government for her entire
existence. I taught my four daughters that it is NOT OK to live on
welfare. That there is a certain amount of pride that comes from working
hard and earning your own living. My one daughter had to get day care
subsidies and she could not do it so she went part time and just learned
that struggle is ok.

It is ok with you people to keep health care private but it is also ok for
this single mom with three kids that makes 9 bucks an hour to collect
Section 8, WIC, food stamps, utility subsidy, etc? Don't get me wrong,
these are great programs but why should a young, hard working person
have to rely on this? How is this helping the overall economy of our
nation? And how is it allowing these people to do better and stand on
their own two feet? Not eveyone wants to go to college and not everyone
lands a great paying job?   This seems so inconsistent to me.    Where do
we draw the line?

By the way, in my neck of the woods. My elderly mom found out
yesterday that she just qualified for HRDC Section 8. She is thrilled. she
will no longer have to pay 1000.00 a month rent here. She makes 1200 a
month on SS. She has been on the Section 8 list for.....yes......4 YEARS!
BTW, she was told the reason she had to wait so long was due to the WAR
funding.

I did read much of the plan and I do think it is good in many ways but what
about the homeless? What category do they fall into? Do they just not get
health care and who pays the ticket on that? Also, we pay 87 a month for
full medical, dental, and optical. Our premiums would go up to 700+ a
month. I could not afford this and am not going to work more hours to
make it up. I would rather everyone pay a flat rate/percentage of their pay
for this. I think you missed a portion when you read it.  Everyone would be enrolled.  If you are homeless you have no income and fall under the poverty line.  If you are homeless now you are covered under medicaid because if a person had no income we already have a plan, medicaid. 

You also missed the information that explains that the healthcare through your work is a "benefit".  You would receive that benefit in cash instead of health care.  So you would have the extra cash to pay for it each month, plus your receive a tax credit that would normally go to the employer. 

 

Also, if you are like me and both my husband and I work and we both have a "healthcare" benefit.  We use my healthcare benefit and he does not use his.  He would get the benefit back as a pay raise AND so would I.  I am thinking we make out on this deal.


http://www.bennett.senate.gov/issues/documents/Lewin%20Group .pdf
Here is a link that explains the program in detail.  I like that it makes people responsible for their own choices and not rely on an employer or the government (at least entirely) to make it for you.

Well Mary, it would be nice if everyone would be covered. Would we also
pay a tax toward this or would it be one deduction a month? The 99 percent
of the population they are speaking of must account for military. I am going
to sit down and read this whole thing as there may be something to it. Do
you think there is a catch? LOL.


The other thing is....I do think it is important that we all take responsibility
for our own health. We need to get our obesity under control and stop
smoking, drinking and using recreational drugs, climbing rocks, skydiving,
whatever we are doing that could potentially cost the system more. Don't
you think?

There isn't an answer for every segment of the population unless it's  national health plan coverage and I don 't see that happening in the U.S. anytime soon.  Look at the costs to implement and keep a program like this running.  They're astronomical.  Our friend to the north has a population roughly the same as California and there are finanacial problems within Canada's Medicare program. 

The bottom line is as residents of the U.S. are we willing to give up our private insurance for a national health plan coverage that will only offer certain drugs, the need for pre authorization for each and every treatment, and longer waits for medical treatment - including surgeries?  We don't have enough doctors, nurses or hospitals to treat each and every person in the U.S. The nursing shortage is critical at the present.  How will national health insurance affect nurses, working conditions, income,  and their unions?  I'm just trying to be realistic about the situation and am looking at it from a financial and coverage point of view.  

I'm all for national health insurance if there's enough money, doctors, nurses, hospitals, health careworkers, and I don't have to pay more in taxes than I'm already paying.  Also, like Lori, I don't want to have to give up my private health insurance.  We spent years planning and budgeting for our retirement so that we'd be financially stable and that included having the best health insurance we could afford. 

I think it's more reasonable that the families who are working and can't afford health insurance premiums be covered and that's exactly what the Healthy Americans Act will do.  The homeless and the poverty level will be taken care of by the government - the same as it's been in the past. If the homeless qualify for Medicaid then they've got health insurance coverage.  At this point in time I don't think it matters who or where the coverage comes from as long as those segments of the population have coverage and I'm not so sure that they would care as long as they had coverage. 

There will always be a small part of society that won't be covered and that will probably be because they've chosen not to be covered, they haven't applied for Medicaid for various personal reasons.   It's impossible to force coverage on everyone.  The federal government tried that with part D (prescription coverage) for the elderly and it's backfired on the government.  After 3 years the government is still struggling to meet it's goals for part D.  Ask any pharmacist and they'll tell you the horror stories concerning part D because they're on the frontline. 

None of us have the answers but there may be hope with the Healthy Americans Act.  Will I like it personally?  No, not if I have to give up my present health insurance and pay more taxes.  But I will like it if the option is to cover all working families, at reasonable costs, without an increase in taxes, and if they don't withhold drugs and treatment due to cost containment.  

  

"the need for pre authorization for each and every treatment"

Just curious----why would each treatment need pre-authorisation? I've
never heard of any other national health plan that does that.

For the record, Canada has a budget surplus. The reason healthcare is
struggling is because it's budget gets cutback because the conservative
government has an agenda to privatise healthcare (but "the people" still
won't go for it).

I agree that if you gave every American healthcare wait times would
increase because suddenly healthcare professionals would be serving
more people. Everyone would have access to them! That is why i don't
mind waiting a bit. But even though I might wait a bit longer sometimes, I
don't believe my health has ever suffered for it.I do not want the government in control of my health care. They have proven with medicare/medicaid that they are unable to manage the health care of its citizens. I have a love/hate relationship with the cost of healthcare. I see how much things cost the hosptial to run. Not for profit does not mean profit isn't needed in order to smoothly run the institution and reinvest the money for the betterment of the community. The hosptital I work at is below their financial projections and we have not had bonuses in almost 3 years! Paying for health care costs includes lights, salaries, reagents, drugs, laundry, gloves, paper producets and covering what the government will not pay for and charity cases.

maryblooms You said you had great insurance coverage. I assume you got it through your job or your husbands job.

I know for a fact the you can not buy any medical insurance for any price once you have been dx'd with RA in the USA. The only policy I can buy on my own is is from my states high risk pool (00 per month). I would lose my eligibility for that pool if I go uninsured for 30 days. 

Health Insurance should not be a 'for profit' thing, because the chronically ill can't get coverage. The whole nation should share the risk. If everybody paid some, we could have health care for everyone. Out of every health care dollar spent, we waste at least 25 cents on administration. Administration was the thing that keep joonie from getting the care she needed FOR MONTHS!  

Healthy Americans Act - What do you think

I think that we have some very intelligent people discussing this subject and I want you all to run for office!  This is a no nonsense group and it is a pleasure to read all of this.

Merry Christmas

[QUOTE=marian]

maryblooms You said you had great insurance
coverage. I assume you got it through your job or your husbands job.


I know for a fact the you can not buy any medical insurance for any
price once you have been dx'd with RA in the USA. The only policy I can
buy on my own is is from my states high risk pool (00 per month). I
would lose my eligibility for that pool if I go uninsured for 30 days. 


Health Insurance should not be a 'for profit' thing, because the
chronically ill can't get coverage. The whole nation should share the risk.
If everybody paid some, we could have health care for everyone. Out of
every health care dollar spent, we waste at least 25 cents on
administration. Administration was the thing that keep joonie from
getting the care she needed FOR MONTHS!  

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This is very sad marian. I know if I lost my husbands insurance, I would
be up a creek. I am sad that he has to stay in his job forever because of
me

I am a great saver but not a good investor. I don't have 30K a year for my expected life span with 15k going for medical care. I'm not at all sure I could live on 15K in 5 years time....there would not be more income but for sure we can all count on higher prices.

Lorster you make it sound like it is under his control to keep his job...but is really not under his control. He will only have a job as long as his employer thinks he is making a profit off your husbands labor.

I have seen so many talented programmer's tossed into the street because an east Indian worker appeared to be the more profitable employee. Some of them have managed, others have failed dismally- losing their homes and families.

I find our new world a terrifying place. 

We've had 3 open developer spots for over 2 months... can't find people to take the jobs!  ,000+, medical/dental/vision (costs about 0/month), 401K with 3% matching, stock plan, tuition reimbursement... [QUOTE=marian]

I am stuck in a job I hate because of health
insurance. I have lived like a church mouse my whole life and saved as
much as I could 15% of gross in a 401k because I was afraid RA would
force me out of the work force early.


I am a great saver but not a good investor. I don't have 30K a year for
my expected life span with 15k going for medical care. I'm not at all sure
I could live on 15K in 5 years time....there would not be more income but
for sure we can all count on higher prices.


Lorster you make it sound like it is under his control to keep his
job...but is really not under his control. He will only have a job as long as
his employer thinks he is making a profit off your husbands labor.


I have seen so many talented programmer's tossed into the street
because an east Indian worker appeared to be the more profitable
employee. Some of them have managed, others have failed dismally-
losing their homes and families.


I find our new world a terrifying place. 

[/QUOTE]

Well, maybe the one good thing about this insurance is that it follows us
no matter where we go. But, what if I decide I cannot work anymore?
Then what do I do? Am I then covered under my husbands employer?

Gimpy, it's common practice that many treatments have to be pre-authorized, such as xrays, mris. ct scans, certain labs, all surgeries-both major and minor, 2nd opinions, referrals to specialists, many prescription drugs, laser treatment of psoriasis, almost any elective procedure.  Many of us have insurance plans that use preauthorization as a cost containment feature.  Your diagnoses have to match the treatment plans of the referring doctor.

Here's an example.  This happened to someone I know:  The insurancve company wouldn't approve Celebrex because the insurance clerk toldthe insured that Celebrex and Ibuprofen were the same drug and that they should take Ibu. and Celebrex wouldn't be approved.  First off, the clerk was dead wrong and now the insured will have to fight this decision with an appeal.  The appeal will require a letter of medical necessity from the doctor and probably a copy of the last office notes.  It's an insane system that's inplace and I don't think it will change.  It doesn't matter if it's a federally run program or a program with the private sector, cost containment saves money. Teaching wellness and prevention  saves money in the long run but cost containment saves money in the short run and that's what the actuaries are looking at. 

Consider yourself lucky that your waits are minimal and that you're happy waiting.  The U.S. doesn't have the hospitals, doctors, nurses, or supporting medical providers and facilities to insure that every man, woman, and child in the U.S. receive care and treatment.  You can't get an appointment with a specialist within a reasonable time.    The hospit al in the area where I live has 3 brand new floors and they can't open them because of the nursing shortage.  When I had my knee replaced 2 of my nurses were from Canada.  They obtained their licenses in AZ. and are working as traveling nurses in the state.  My internist is Canadian and so is the dermatologist that I saw last year. 

I don't understand Canadian politics anymore than you understand U.S. politics and it's even more confusing when you have healthcare wrapped up in the politics of both countries. 

The Healthy American Act sounds pretty wonderful but where are the hospital beds, doctors, nurses, and support persons that will be needed to be inplace when this Act is up and running.  It takes at least 10 years to train a physician, 4 years for nurses training, many years from an idea of a hospital to an actual functioning building.  People are not choosing nursing as a viable profession any longer.  Doctors are in short supply all over the U.S. Except for plastic surgeons in LA. 

This is what I did in my past life.  I was head of research and development for a large health ins. co. for 5 years. All these issues that we've been discussing were on the table 20 years ago and they're still being discussed.

No action has taken place in the last twenty years to make sure there is an infrastructure in place to initiate and administer the Healthy Americans Act or a national insurance plan.  Lindy

 

        

LinB39434.7886921296Excellent discussions!  Marian, I am sorry to hear about the insurance issue for you.  I had a link onetime on the "scores" for different diseases and how they are ranked for insurability, but I don't know what I did with it.  RA was way down on the list of diseases that insurers consider "high risk". 

I have good insurance now because I work for the state (I teach) and they happen to have very good insurance.  The plan calls for the insurances that are offered to be at least as good as a "basic" federal plan (blue cross/blue shield).  My children have that as their dad is a federal employee. 

LinB, what great posts.  Very informative and helpful.  There would be many obstacles to make this plan a reality.  I just read today that the government is putting a 6 month hold on cutting Medicare payments by 10% to physicians.  Good thing, because that will cause physicians to see LESS medicare patient.

It is true that 1/3 of each health care costs is spent on administration.  But a lot of people and services fall under "administration".  If you ever tried to get a correct reimbursement from Medicare you would realize how much paper pushing is involved. The regulations of compliance is incredibly difficult and takes many "managers" to do it.

Medicare is also cracking down on "physician" owned hospitals.  They don't want the conflict of interest that is involved.  Physicians who own hospitals will more than likely refer a patient to this hospital even if it is not in the patients best interest.  Of course, here in Washington we have some small rural hospitals that are physician owned because nobody else was going to build one.

Lorster, with this plan everyone is covered whether or not you work.  It is based on family size. 
This was on MSNBC today. I thought it fit here and is interesting and
makes a point as to why insurance is so important to people well being.


Cancer quicker to claim the uninsured
Study: Patients with no insurance twice as likely to die within 5 years

updated 6:36 a.m. MT, Thurs., Dec. 20, 2007
ATLANTA - Uninsured cancer patients are nearly twice as likely to die
within five years as those with private coverage, according to the first
national study of its kind and one that sheds light on troubling health
care obstacles.
People without health insurance are less likely to get recommended
cancer screening tests, the study also found, confirming earlier research.
And when these patients finally do get diagnosed, their cancer is likely to
have spread.
The research by scientists with the American Cancer Society offers
important context for the national discussion about health care reform,
experts say — even though the uninsured are believed to account for just
a fraction of U.S. cancer deaths. An Associated Press analysis suggests it
is around 4 percent.
Those dealing with cancer and inadequate insurance weren’t surprised by
the findings.
“I would just like for something to be done to help someone else, so they
don’t have to go through what we went through,” said Peggy Hicks, a
Florida woman whose husband died in August from colon cancer.
Edward Hicks was uninsured, and a patchwork health care system delayed
him from getting chemotherapy that some argue might have extended his
life.
“He was so ill. And you’re trying to get him help and you can’t, you
can’t,” said his 67-year-old widow.
Steve Nesius / ASSOCIATED PRESS
Peggy Hicks' husband, who died in August from colorectal cancer, was
uninsured and had trouble getting chemotherapy that might have
extended his life.
The new research is being published in Cancer, the cancer society’s
medical journal. In an accompanying editorial, the society’s president
repeated the organization’s call for action to fix holes in the health care
safety net.
“The truth is that our national reluctance to face these facts is
condemning thousands of people to die from cancer each year,” Dr. Elmer
Huerta wrote.
Hard numbers linking insurance status and cancer deaths are scarce, in
part because death certificates don’t say whether those who died were
insured.
Annual cancer death toll
An Associated Press estimate — based on hospital cancer deaths in 2005
gathered by the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality
information and other data — suggests that at least 20,000 of the
nation’s 560,000 annual cancer deaths are uninsured when they die.
Experts said that estimate sounds reasonable.
That’s around 4 percent of the total cancer death toll. One reason is that
most fatal cancers occur in people 65 or older — an age group covered by
the federal Medicare program. Another is that more than 80 percent of
adults under 65 have some form of coverage, including private insurance
or the Medicaid program for the poor, according to various estimates
Perspectives on health care
A Daryl Cagle editorial cartoon roundup on the state of the U.S. health
system.
Some are enrolled in Medicaid or other programs after diagnosis, when
the condition worsens and their finances erode. But such 11th hour
coverage can be too late; early detection is the key to catching many
cancers before they’ve grown beyond control, experts said.
“Insurance makes a big difference in how early you are detecting disease,”
said Ken Thorpe, an Emory University health policy researcher.
In the new study, researchers analyzed information from 1,500 U.S.
hospitals that provide cancer care. They focused on nearly 600,000 adults
under age 65 who first appeared in the database in 1999 and 2000 and
who had either no insurance, private insurance or Medicaid.
Plight of uninsured
Researchers then checked records for those patients for the five years
following. They found those who were uninsured were 1.6 times more
likely to die in five years than those with private insurance.
More specifically, 35 percent of uninsured patients had died at the end of
five years, compared with 23 percent of privately insured patients.
Earlier studies have also shown differences in cancer survival rates of the
uninsured and insured, but they were limited to specific cancers and
certain geographic areas.
The new findings are consistent across different racial groups. However,
the fact that whites have better survival rates cannot be explained by
insurance status alone, said Elizabeth Ward, the study’s lead author.
The researchers were not able to tell if the numbers were influenced by
patients’ education levels, or by other illnesses.
Experts said the study also hints at problems with quality of care after
diagnosis: such as whether the patient got the appropriate operation
from a high-quality surgeon, whether the tumor was thoroughly
evaluated by a high-quality pathologist, and whether there was access to
needed chemotherapy and radiation.
Blaming quality of care
“The differences that we see in outcomes after people are diagnosed,
even among those with early stage disease, suggests that problems with
quality of care may be an important reason,” said Dr. John Ayanian,
professor of medicine and health care policy at Harvard Medical School.
He didn’t participate in the cancer society study.
The study makes an even stronger statement about the role insurance
plays in the timing of screenings and how that can raise the likelihood of
a late-stage diagnosis, experts said.
A Kaiser Family Foundation survey last year of 930 households that dealt
with cancer found that more than one in four uninsured patients delayed
treatment — or decided not to get it — because of the cost.
Such was the case of Edward Hicks.
The retired laborer, had surgery for colorectal cancer in 2005 and was
thought to be clear of the disease. Chemotherapy was suggested after
the surgery, but he didn’t get it.
In February of this year, his wife grew worried when he lost energy and
appetite. In April, he told her he felt a lump in his stomach.
Hicks, who lived in Fort Meade, Fla., couldn’t get an appointment with a
specialist, but a family doctor checked him into a hospital and specialists
saw him in late May. They said he was terminal but that chemotherapy
might extend his life a little, his wife said.
She was able to get donated chemotherapy drugs from a pharmaceutical
company, but it took time to arrange the treatments, which didn’t start
until mid-June. Meanwhile, her husband’s health deteriorated. In July,
after just a few treatments, he stopped the chemo, saying it was too hard.
He died on Aug. 21, at age 64.
Friends and family told Peggy they believe he would have lived longer had
he got chemo earlier, when he was stronger. She doesn’t agonize over
that, she said, trusting in God’s will.
But the devil’s in her mailbox — she is facing a ,000 hospital bill and
other costs from his death.

© 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not
be published, broadcast, rewritten o
Very good points snowowl. I heard about California's plan yesterday.  I am not exactly sure what it covers and why some people will be covered and others not but here is the article.

He seeks support during S.D. visit

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a book for Assaan Farheidar-Smith of Escondido as his brother, Sina, watched at Kaiser's San Diego hospital. Hoping to build public support for a health insurance reform package, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger visited a local Kaiser Permanente hospital yesterday to implore Californians to rally behind his efforts.

“It has been very, very difficult,” Schwarzenegger said of his nearly yearlong campaign to create a program for providing health coverage for most of California's uninsured. “There are so many entities out there fighting this process.”.

His visit to Kaiser's medical center on Zion Avenue in San Diego came two days after the Assembly passed legislation that would provide health insurance for 3.6 million of the 5.1 million Californians who are uninsured. Kaiser, a large health maintenance organization, is among the bill's supporters.

Money to subsidize residents who couldn't afford premiums would come from the federal government, employer contributions, a 4 percent fee on hospitals, individuals, county and other funds, and a tobacco tax increase.

The Assembly approved the legislation on a party-line vote, with Democrats providing all the votes needed.

The bill's outlook in the state Senate is uncertain.

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  Senate President Pro Tempore Don Perata, D-Oakland, has expressed doubts about funding for the .5 billion program, saying he will not allow a Senate vote on the plan until the governor assures him that a budget deficit estimated at up to billion will not result in devastating cuts.

Sen. Denise Ducheny, D-San Diego, raised similar worries in an interview yesterday afternoon.

“The biggest concerns overall have been the questions of financing the package,” she said. “It's not clear where all the new monies will come from.”

Ducheny also has reservations about the bill's mandate for most Californians to buy health insurance.

“How do you tell somebody that you're required by law to buy health insurance but you could be homeless if it's the difference between paying your rent and paying your insurance?” she said.

If the plan passes the Senate and is signed by Schwarzenegger, voters must approve the package of tax increases needed to finance it.

Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez, D-Los Angeles, appeared at the San Diego hospital shortly before the governor arrived. He said the Assembly vote breathed new life into the reform effort which, at times, has been near death.

“We are a hop, skip and a jump away from making sure California has the best health care in the country,” he said.

Schwarzenegger has won some support among his business allies, and Núñez has gained some labor union backing for the reforms.

Joining the two state leaders at the San Diego hospital were regional heads of Service Employees International Union and the United Domestic Workers as well as representatives of the San Diego Regional Chamber of Commerce and the San Diego North Chamber of Commerce.

Danny Curtin, director of the California Conference of Carpenters, said legislative and voter approval of the bill would ripple across the country. “This will change the nature of the medical care delivery system in California. This will change America. It's historic.”

Others appearing alongside the governor at the hospital were less enthusiastic.

“We are going to take a look at the effects of” the Assembly bill, said Scott Alevy, vice president for public policy with the San Diego Regional Chamber. “It's still early.”

The proposal would require most residents to have health insurance, set up a program to cover low-income residents, force insurers to accept any resident who applies for coverage regardless of medical history, and increase Medi-Cal reimbursement rates to doctors and hospitals.

Perata has said he is opposed to relying on the tobacco tax proposal, in part because he fears it would trigger a massive campaign by the tobacco industry that would defeat the entire proposal.

Schwarzenegger said he is bracing for a battle with tobacco companies. “I think they might not like it,” he said.

In addition to tobacco industry opposition, Blue Cross of California, the state's leading private insurer, is also likely to spend millions of dollars to oppose the ballot measure. Blue Cross says that requiring insurers to cover all who want it regardless of pre-existing conditions would increase premiums for current policyholders.

The proposed ballot measure is likely to face strong resistance from some businesses opposed to employer fees along with opposition from some elements of the medical community.

Among the bill's supporters are two of the state's leading health insurers, Health Net and Blue Shield.

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