Just wondering here ,I work at a drug company in the sterial area or some call it a clean room. One day we were making penn. The operator before me didn't tighten down the clamp on the blender. So i went to do it the clamp open up on me . Thats when the penn. went down my garb thru my mask .Did'nt stop there it went up my nose down my throat in my goggles u-name it. I got real sick was off work for awiale. When I went back to work they put in manurfacturing .Long story short I ended up with fm and now ra. I am very drug intolerent. has any body else have an expreance that they might contribute to there illness. sSorry about my typing the hands are hurting pretty bad to day
A little lost here. Does penn mean pennicillian?
Isn't pennicillian made from some sort of mold? Are you asking if mold could have caused your illness?
I think so...but I'm in the AP camp so we believe in pathogens as causing our illnesses.
Hugs,
Pip
Becky's dietician suggested her JIA MAY have been caused by me being on antibiotics following appendicitis when she was conceived....amongst other stressy occurrences at the time.
Pip - a thought has just occurred to me (it doesn't happen often!) -homeopathy treats like with like. The principal of vaccinations gives a little bit of the virus to immunise against the disease itself. I wonder if RA caused by antibiotics may also be treated with antibiotics, in the same way? As you are the AP guru
Apeanut, I'm sorry you are having a bad typing day; my aunty soaks and massages her hugely arthritic hands in Epsom salts water, she told me last night. Then at night she warms olive oil and massages them and leave the oil on, puts cotton gloves on and goes to bed. Her hands used to wake her up at night, but don't if she oils them. They feel a lot better in the morning too, but get stiffer again during the day. So on with the Epsom salts water again, then the oil.....it's a never ending cycle but she does it so she can use her hands. Maybe worth a try - different things affect different people - well - differently!!!
Dee
Hey Dee -
I'm pretty sure that these diseases are multi-factorial. Pretty much everybody has mycoplasma's in their body but for some reason (the prevalent theory is 'allergic reaction') AI people are sensitive to it.
I think one of my contributing factors is the 3 Z packs they put me on for a bout of pneumonia I just couldn't kick. Not once has any doctor ever told me to be on probiotics or something to help mitigate the antibiotics taking out the good bacteria along with the bad.
So, this would make sense from a pre-natal view. Think about it. The mother may have enough good bacteria left to protect herself - but a baby/fetus -whose GI tracts are one of the last to fully develop - would not. This would explain those who were 'born with it'.
While some AP docs work with homeopathy - for the most part - they are only conerned with lowering the microbial load enough so that the inflammation etc. goes down. We believe the pathogens are hiding in our white blood cells and they have been 'mutated' from the traditional strain and are much harder to kill. For example - strep. They found strep easily under the microscope - it wasn't until they invented the Darkfield microscope that they figured up there were 'outposts' of strep just waiting to 'reactivate' if the regular strep was removed. These strep are no longer the regular strep - they are cell wall deficient and the body has to get strong enough to do the job of killing those off. Again - if we don't have good gut bacteria - how is that supposed to happen?
Anyway - We think all RA is caused by infection. I know I do. :-)
Which is why I was so confused by Peanuts question. Something in a blender? That can't be good. So, for her, how far along was it to being 'penn'? It might have been the mold thing and that's not an antibiotic...yet. See my confusion?
Hugs,
Pip
This disease has been known to be caused by a variety of unexplained things. My husband still swears that all autoimmune diseases are the same one, just different symptoms.
Some RA and Fibro has been known to be caused by infections, antibiotics killing off good bacteria (overuse), tramatic experiences etc. all non-related but having the same outcome.
My doctors believe that my polyps i had in my uterus (two very large ones) and being hit by Hurricane Katrina both contributed to mine.
I had extremely minor symptoms that they believe was from Jr. RA growing up, but it never got full blown until that 6 month period.
I got the polyps but the hospital i use is one that goes by income, so i had to wait 6 months for my surgery. 2 months into it, hurricane katrina hit us (we luckily had money to get a hotel in Huston TX) but it was all so horrible that i went into a frenzy of panic attacks. Since i was already very sick from the polyps and infection they were trying to get rid of before the surgery, i just went into a full body flair.
So, it can happen from a number of things. Many think for women that it is a hormone problem that has to do with digestion of foods, others think that it is tramatic events.
I don't know if we will ever find out exactly what causes it, I do hope that at least a cure will be proven to work soon.
Too many people are getting sick today and most seem to be under 35 which scares me when it comes to what shots my kid gets and what foods she eats.
Thanks Pip - yet more food for thought....
Dee
Pip, Sorry I didn't clarify that It was Pennicillian (name type I believe was Geo-pen), We bottled for sale. After I became allergic to the pennicillian, I was off work for about a week or so. Then they put me in another part of the plant where I manufactured a derivative to the Pennicillian. Come to find out the doctor told me I wasn't just allergic to the Penn. I was alergic to the compund in the Penn.and cereperazone proably misspelled. So now I can not take any Penn. or anything that has the same makeup. The last day I worked over there I had such a bad reaction that I went into antiflactic shock. Had four shots that day &nb sp; &nb sp; &nb sp; &nb sp; &nb sp; &nb sp; &nb sp; &nb sp;Bexmum, I will have to try the salts,looking for anything that will give any relief. Do you know anyone that has gotten any results from homepathy.
Pip what is AP
Bubbagump,I would not wish that on any body. Living through Katrina would take its tole on anyone. Are you still in Texas?
homepathy.
Over exsposure to anything is bad. Especially if you get it in your sinus and lungs. Over exposure and allergy are both sort of the same you usually can not go near the cause without getting very ill. apeanut,says OOOOOOOOOOppps!!!!!Hey call a lawyer. And see an allergie specialist i think they can tell you more about over exposure. I had to a chemical at work once. Bad deal all the way around. They could not move me far enough away from the cause. Had to leave work. But over exposure is more the place of employements fault than an allergie they would say your fault. There is a difference.apeanut - Becky has been on homeopathic meds since mid-October, but has got worse over the winter so far. Could be a homeopathic 'healing crisis', could be the weather, could be the two colds and a flu type virus she has had since October (viruses always cause her to flare), could just be sod's law, could be homeopathy does zilch but she does like the little tiny pills! Could also be the new rheumy telling her how ill she is back in November and she's trying to prove him right! (Although we saw him yesterday in prep for her joint injections this Friday and he was incredibly positive and made us both feel optimistic this time...
The homeopathic rule of thumb is one month of treatment per year of illness. So for Becky we should see an improvement in 7 months. You really need to see an accredited practitioner and they treat the whole YOU not just various symptoms. It's quite an intricate practice and not one to treat yourself with OTC remedies.
Like the Epsom salts and the olive oil, I think anything is worth a try, but you have to keep at it and give things time to work. But I want that instant miracle cure for Becky NOW PLEASE!!!
Good luck! - Dee
Bubbagump -
Dr. Brown said the same thing your hubby does. He called them 'lumpers" (RA=Lupus=insert AI disease name here) or 'splitters' (those that believed that the diseases are seperate. When first diagnosed I wanted to know exactly what I had. I was determined to know which myco I had and to have every test under the sun. I wanted proof of what ailed me. And I was even asked 'what if nothing swims into the test tube; would you still do AP"? And it stopped me for a bit because I knew the answer was 'yes'. But I still wanted those tests. Now I wonder if I delaying that 6 weeks with AP was a mistake. It was enough time to take my CCP positive. The disease was moving forward.
Think about the ramifications of if it were the same disease with different manifestations. Not only would rheumy's be treating this differently - but it would effect neuro's, and pain specialists, and endocrine docs and ....all of them would either 1) soon be out of a job or 2) not nearly as many of them needed as of now.
Dee -
And we've only had antibiotics for less than 100 years. So, it can't be just that causing this.
Apeanut -
AP is the Antibiotic Protocol. We use low dose antibiotics to control these diseases. Mostly it's the tetracycline family and especially Minocin. Some people uses things in the penn family (don't know if that includes Zith. If you have allergies to antibiotics you have a couple of choices. 1) don't use antibiotics 2) use only antibiotics you are not allergic to or 3) get over your allergies with homeopathy and/or other means. I've got a sulfa allergy I have to get over to do one of the advanced protocols (the MP) so that's going to be the focus of my research this year.
Hugs,
Pip
I was on an antibiotic and this one made my knees huge and painful. Same with my hands. I didn't realize at the time it was the meds doing it. (I had OA and tested many times for RA and didn't have it).
Within a few months of that I needed another knee surgery. Then within a year my blood work showed RA. Do I think the meds caused it, no. But I sure think they made it surface.
I hope you get to feeling better soon. I am sorry to hear your hands hurt so bad I know how that is.
See, in cases like your's, I'd think you were having a herxheimer reaction to the antibiotics that focused on your OA knees, etc. . (OA isn't myco as far as I can tell - possibly something smaller???). Then, when you had the surgery they pumped you full of antibiotics (and I'd bet the farm nobody told you to take probiotics. You depleted the last of your good gut flora...and TA DA! - you get the added bonus of RA.
I tell you, these guys are making us sicker....
Pip
Thank you all for your posts. Gives me somthing to think about. I really would like to get more indeth information about AP.
apeanut
But don't leave here, OK?
Hugs,
Pip
This is interesting. I too PennVK everyday, 1 million units from age 8 to 18.Lorster -
I have no idea what you just said.
Pip