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"Living with Microbes, Health and Survival in a Bacterial World"

www.aliciapatterson.org/APF2202/sachs/sachs.html

www.amazon.com/review/r2gxpn6qrj19hg

The urls are not working, guess you have to google title. Unless someone else knows how to do it.

Here it is stemcell4me ,

http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF2202/Sachs/Sachs.html

My first thought is CRAP!

But I need more time to go over this. Thanks for posting this LuAnn. Most everything I've read says that tetracyclines were not being effected (except for some info from Europe). Let me research later when I get a second.

Hugs,

Pip

Hey Pip,

I found some points in the article interesting. The book was written in 2005 and some of the things she predicted have come to pass. Like the new breed of MRSA and their only weapon being vancomycin (sp). I know this to be true as I got this twice from the PICC lines in 2006 and the only thing they could give me was vancomycin even thou I was allergic and broke out in rashes. They just gave me a boat load of benadryl before hand. The CDC was called in each time and I was examined by two to four of their Dr's. The writer predicted that MRSA would not be confined to hospitals and recently in the news you have been hearing about people in schools getting it. She also talks about trace amounts of antibotic showing up in water supplies which has also been on the news.

I found the article interesting enough to want to read the whole book.

LuAnn:)

PS Maimi thanks for the url....Your welcome .

Thanks for the post it's quite interesting .

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I thought I push this to the top.

I think I'll have time to look at this tomorrow LuAnn. It's on the radar. It's also spring break and pre-birthday craziness. We spent all day at Build-A-Bear. My baby is such a girl - she got a pink bunny, 2 outfits after trying tons on, and 3 pairs of shoes! A girl after my own heart. Tomorrow we hit Toys-R-Us (you know they give crowns, don't you?) and Lakeshore for some fun stuff.

Hugs,

Pip

Well, here's a couple of differing thoughts on this. Almost everything I've ever seen on tetracyclines say because of they way they work (inhibiting a protein) they are the least likely to be bacterial resistant. For example, that MRSA last line in defense Van-something or other is bacterio

Tetracyclines are bacteriostatic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriostatic

Penicillan is a bactericide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactericide

Here is a link stating the nature of tetracyclines make it less likely.

http://www.chlamydiae.com/restricted/docs/labtests/treat_antibioticres.asp Note- he's talking about intracellular infections - for which I'm being treated.

I'm also interested in why so much interest in the tetracyclines so far. Look that who's paying for some of this research. Ringing any bells?

http://www.certs.hhs.gov/about_certs/annual_reports/year2/centers/penn.html

The question then becomes - were the penicillans, tetracyclines and sulfa drugs used years ago the reason we developed these diseases. (That is some of what this woman touched on). Was the treatment not completed and the first level killed off to leave an intracellular 'time bomb' waiting to go off? I'm guessing yes.

Because the article you quoted is talking about the first infection and resistance. What are we supposed to do if we are already dealing with an unkilled infection that's residing in my white blood cells?

So, to be brutally honest here - I really don't care if tetracyclines cause antiobiotic resistance. If it's such a problem then I suggest they make some serious changes first.

1) get antiobiotics out of the soaps.

2) get it out of the food chain via Big Agri

3) get it out of the meat supply - no more inoculating cattle etc.

4) culture all kids coming into doctors offices for suspected bacterial or viral infecgtions. Let the parents deal with the screaming kids until its proved to be a bacteria and not a virus.

5) stop prescribing it for acne. Let them use Accutane - it's a lot less safe than tetracyclines - but hey - it ain't my kid. (that was a joke).

6) then - if the problem is still undisputed bacterial resistance to tetracycline - only then can they take it away from me.

Now, if you think the incredibly deep pockets of the above lobby groups are going to take that lying down...you have another think coming.

So, I guess all we have to count on are the 'financial incentives' offered Pharma to try and develop new antibiotics to deal with this scourge.

It isn't happening despite the 'incentives'. Frankly - they should be denied any new 'patents' on 'therapies' unless they comply. But that's my opinion. They aren't going to develop anything that cuts into their profits.

http://www.cababstractsplus.org/google/abstract.asp?AcNo=20043099315

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2006/03/20/hlsc0320.htm

And doesn't this little piece make you sick?

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/01/28/new-antibiotics-grow-scarce-as-bad-bugs-multiply/

Hugs,

Pip

OK Pip I see your opinion loud and clear.

I see valuable insight, especially since I was hit hard with MRSA. I think JasminRain also brought up the issue before.

As a side note, I never have enjoyed milk, don't care for tap water and Lia has never had to be put on antibotics. She is healthy mainly from having good eating habits. Never had a coke, doesnt eat junk or fast food, she eats fresh fruit and loves vegetables. The govt is never going to do the above so your stuck with being proactive for yourself.

Off to the FUNHOUSE, and other fun spring break activities. Have fun with your little darling LuAnn -

Thanks - I've just got up and somebody is jumping up and down with excitement. First tea, then shower, then we hit the road.

Recent research has shown that MRSA drops significantly when hospitals institute 'zero tolerance' procedures. Meaning, a doc doesn't wash his hands, he's fired. Amazingly, there is strong pressure against doing this. Hmmmm. It also turns out that some of the communitity based MRSA outbreaks 1) have not been verifiied as MRSA but are treated as such thereby INCREASING antibiotic resistance and 2) can mostly be traced back to hospitals when they do culture them. Community based MRSA is still exceedlingly rare. Also, some hospitals have instituted checking everybody who comes in to see if they carry MRSA - and mostly, the people who are coming up with it are nurses. Imagine that.

For my daughter, we tried to do the same. I'd recently broke down and bought sugared cereals, but that's NOT happening again. Saw more info on HFCS and thought...enough of this.

Also - within the last year I did a similar search for tetracyclines and resistance and only found one thing. Now, my searching is not perfect, but there is a hell of a lot more this time thru. So, either it really is getting worse, or it's being hyped. I found it exceedlingly interesting that labs that produce immunesuppresssants are paying for research about antibiotic resistance WHILE they are not working on new classes of antibiotics AND still taking financial incentives to do antibiotic research.

Again, I'm sorry if I'm cold about this...but until you get antibioitics out of 'unnecessary' systems like the food supply and soaps - you'd better not be taking it away from people that need it.

Hugs,

Pip