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or make the tired go away????  Most of you know my story, I have been ill for 3.5 years, they thought ra, treated for ra but after a 3 week hospital stay this fall and a mediastinal biopsy, they say I do not have ra but a disease called sarcoidosis. Its sort of like an autoimmune disease of the lymph system, the symptoms and treatments are similiar to ra.  Since I had already run through all the standard ra drugs, steroids, placquenil, imuran, enbrel, humira, mtx-they decided to start me on remicaid infusions 6 weeks ago.
 

The first 2 were two weeks apart and helped. Than you have to wait 4 weeks for the third one and I got so wore down, all the pain, swelling, uvieitis, depression, not being able to breath, the whole kit and caboodle.

I just kept telling myself the next infusion was soon. That infusion came and went last Thursday. I continued to get worse and went to Urgent Care Saturday morning. BIG MISTAKE. The doctor was rude and clueless. First, she said its really hard to dx sarc and how did I know thats what I had because the last time I was there a year ago, I told them RA. I explained it took 3.5 years to get the proper dx, through a mediastinal biopsy and handed her my huge chart turned to the page with the biopsy results that said SARCOIDOSIS on it. She than said, well sarc doesn't make people this sick. WHAT???? My eyes were so red and almost swollen shut from the uvieitis, my hands look worse than the pilsbury dough boys from the swelling, I am gasping for air and coughing, can hardly move I hurt so bad, etc.

I asked her for a shot of steroids, a week pack of steroids and a tordal shot for the inflammation and pain. She refused. She said because I had been on blood thinners for previous blood clots, that steroids would cause another pulmonary embolism.

I explained to her its been over 2.5 weeks since my last blood thinner pill and that steroids actually enhance the effect of blood thinners so if anything, we would have to worry about bleeding, no clots.

She than got snotty, asked me if I was a doctor, told me it sounded like I knew too much which met I was probably making this up? HUH?????

If I was going to make up something, why would I make up a disease most people don't even know about and ask for steroids, wouldn't I ask for pain pills or something a bit more fun than steroids?

She refunded my copay and told me to go to the ER. After spending over 3 weeks in the hospital this fall, I have had enough hospitals. I went home and tried to call my pulmonologist, of course he wasn't on call and no they would not contact him and the doc on call wouldn't do anything except say go to ER. GRR.

I dug around and found some old prednisone so I took 25 mg and started loading up on the vicodin. Slept all weekend, literally. Finally got to talk to my pulmonologist Monday and he said I did the right thing to continue the steroids for another 4 days or so. He called in more prednisone, eye drops and vicodin.

He said it will take several more treatments before I stabilize on the remicade and that I might have to do short burst of steroids now and than because I refuse to take them daily.

Its been 4 days on the steroids and I feel like there are only two elephants on my chest instead of the whole heard but I hurt from head to toe. My eyes are still real bad, my hands are barely functioning and I am working full time. I go to bed at 7 pm and sleep until 8am when I have to get up for work and I am so exhausted, I am falling asleep driving to work and at my desk. My bones are tired. I need to crawl into bed and sleep for a week.

Problem is, I work for a small optometrists office and I am the only girl, there is no one to call to cover me. We have patients scheduled this afternoon and tomorrow morning so there will be no time off for me.

Sorry this is so long, I guess I just needed to vent to people who understand. Thanks for listening.
Oh goodness! *gentle hug*. I am so sorry you are going through this, it isn't fair! And I understand what your frustration with the doc. We have all seen multiple doc have had this explained to us in depth. Not to mention most of us have researched and asked questions. I am sorry no one listened to you, you know your body and what helps your body! So I hope this doesn't stop you from speaking up again. I don't know how to help with the fatigue because I am there myself, I can't get off work and I can't get enough sleep. I am running so low right now! Treat yourself to something nice though, and relax for a little but before you drag yourself to bed. I find I sleep much better if I calm my nerves before heading to bed. Oh, it makes me so mad! Hope you feel better! While you are feeling so tired though make sure your eating lots of colorful veggies and fruits! This will at least give you a little energy!  Michele, I was hoping you were all better by now!  So sorry you're feeling badly, and you're getting the usual garbage from docs.  Definitely make sure your regular doc gives you extra scripts for steroids so you can get them when you need them in the future.

 
Being that tired and sleepy is scary, especially when driving and working.  I know you don't want to have to take more meds, but I hear several people have had good experience with Provigil keeping them alert during the day.
 
In the meantime, just do the minimum you have to at work.  I think we've all had super-productive days and we've all had days where we're pretty much a lump behind a desk, trying to get by.  Do what you can, and if possible, see if you can leave just a few minutes early so you can get home and rest sooner.
Are you on an antidepressant?  Lexapro has helped my sleep quality so much (although it took about 3 weeks to kick in). I am dreaming more and feel much more rested in the morning. 
 
So sorry for all you are having to go through!
Micheleb, My heart  goes out to you. I know how you feel. Docotor's think they are god sometimes. You tell them something and they look at you like you are lieing or you don't know what your talking about. You have to speak up I do. When a doctor almost killed me from that day on when ever I go  I'll tell them right away that I don't trust  them and they have to earn my trust in them. And I tell them why and they do understand where I am coming from. When a doctor does you wrong you will never forget. So you stand up for your rights. You tell them just how it is. I will never let a doctor walk all over me again. You take care of yourself and when there is something wrong you tell them and make them listen. And if they don't get someone else that will. Hope you are doing better soon. JoanOOFA!
 
Sorry you had such a terrible experience with that doctor. I hate those pompus types!
Wow- what a disease sarcoidosis is-I don't know anything about it but it sure doesn't sound pleasant. I certainly don't know how you are working while going through this. Hope you find relief soon!
Thanks everyone.  I also have a heart condition called a prolonged QT so there is a long list of meds that I can not take.  I used to take both lexapro and provigil, now I can't take them for fear of my heart stopping.  I am on cymbalta and I do take xanax at bedtime along with lycria.  It seems like I sleep, at least my hubby says I do but I feel that I wake up all the time and even after 11 hours of "sleeping" I am still exhausted.  I know most of us have been there.

I am that lump behind the desk right now, have been for a couple of weeks.  Have even napped in the back a little when the boss is gone and left early a few times. 

I was more mad than anything at that stupid doc, I knew what she was telling me was wrong and she wasn't going to listen so there was no point in continuing, we both agreed to a refund and I left.  Than sat in the car and cried out of frustration!  LOL!

Hubby has been better about my illness but this flare up has him on edge so thanks for letting me get it out here!
hi micheleb what a nightmare for you.. and what a bad hospital experience..

i do not know anything about sarcoidosis going to have a look..
i hope your feeling a little  better
wishing you well...    Boney
found this for us not in the know...

Sarcoidosis most commonly affects young adults of both sexes, with a slight preponderance for women having been reported by most studies. Incidence is highest for individuals younger than 40 and peaks in the age-group from 20 to 29 years.[1]

Sarcoidosis occurs throughout the world in all races with a prevalence ranging from 1 to 40 per 100,000. The disease is most prevalent in Northern European countries, and the highest annual incidence of 60 per 100,000 is found in Sweden and Iceland. In the United States, sarcoidosis is more common in people of African descent than Caucasians, with annual incidence reported as 35.5 and 10.9 per 100,000, respectively.[2] Sarcoidosis is less commonly reported in South America, Spain and India.

The differing incidence across the world may be at least partially attributable to the lack of screening programs in certain regions of the world and the overshadowing presence of other granulolomatous diseases such as tuberculosis, that may interfere with the diagnosis of sarcoidosis where they are prevalent.[1]

There may also be racial differences in the severity of the disease. Several studies suggest that the presentation in people of African origin may be more severe than for Caucasians, who are more likely to have asymptomatic disease.[3]

[edit] Signs and symptoms

Sarcoidosis is a systemic disease that can affect any organ. Common symptoms are vague, such as fatigue unchanged by sleep, lack of energy, weight loss, aches and pains, arthralgia, dry eyes, blurry vision, shortness of breath, a dry hacking cough or skin lesions. The cutaneous symptoms vary, and range from rashes and noduli (small bumps) to erythema nodosum or lupus pernio. It is often asymptomatic.

The combination of erythema nodosum, bilateral hilar lymphadenopathy and arthralgia is called Löfgren syndrome. This syndrome has a relatively good prognosis.

Renal, liver (including portal hypertension), heart[4] or brain involvement may cause further symptoms and altered functioning. Manifestations in the eye include uveitis, uveoparotitis, and retinal inflammation, which may result in loss of visual acuity or blindness. Sarcoidosis affecting the brain or nerves is known as neurosarcoidosis.

The combination of anterior uveitis, parotitis and fever is called uveoparotitis, and is associated with Heerfordt-Waldenstrom syndrome. (D86.8)

[edit] Investigations

Hypercalcemia (high calcium levels) and its symptoms may be the result of excessive conversion of vitamin D to its active form by epitheliod macrophages.

Sarcoidosis most often manifests as a restrictive disease of the lungs, causing a decrease in lung volume and decreased compliance (the ability to stretch). The disease typically limits the amount of air drawn into the lungs, but produces higher than normal expiratory flow ratios. The vital capacity (full breath in, to full breath out) is decreased, and most of this air can be blown out in the first second. This means the FEV1/FVC ratio is increased from the normal of about 80%, to 90%. Obstructive lung changes, causing a decrease in the amount of air that can be exhaled, may occur when enlarged lymph nodes in the chest compress airways or when internal inflammation or nodules impede airflow.

Chest X-ray changes are divided into four stages

Because sarcoidosis can affect multiple organ systems, follow-up on a patient with sarcoidosis should always include an electrocardiogram, ophthalmologic exam, liver function tests, serum calcium and 24-hour urine calcium.

[edit] Causes and pathophysiology

No direct cause of sarcoidosis has been identified, although there have been reports of cell wall deficient bacteria that may be possible pathogens.[5] These bacteria are not identified in standard laboratory analysis. It has been thought that there may be a hereditary factor because some families have multiple members with sarcoidosis. To date, no reliable genetic markers have been identified, and an alternate hypothesis is that family members share similar exposures to environmental pathogens. There have also been reports of transmission of sarcoidosis via organ transplants.[6]

Sarcoidosis frequently causes a dysregulation of vitamin D production with an increase in extrarenal (outside the kidney) production.[7] Specifically, macrophages inside the granulomas convert vitamin D to its active form, resulting in elevated levels of the hormone 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D and symptoms of hypervitaminosis D that may include fatigue, lack of strength or energy, irritability, metallic taste, temporary memory loss or cognitive problems. Physiological compensatory responses (e.g. suppression of the parathyroid hormone levels) may mean the patient does not develop frank hypercalcemia.

Sarcoidosis has been associated with celiac disease. Celiac disease is a condition in which there is a chronic reaction to certain protein chains, commonly referred to as glutens, found in some cereal grains. This reaction causes destruction of the villi in the small intestine, with resulting malabsorption of nutrients.

While disputed, some cases have been determined to be caused by inhalation of the dust from the collapse of the World Trade Center after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[8] See Health effects arising from the September 11, 2001 attacks for more information.

[edit] Treatment

Corticosteroids, most commonly prednisone, have been the standard treatment for many years. In some patients, this treatment can slow or reverse the course of the disease, but other patients do not respond to steroid therapy. The use of corticosteroids in mild disease is controversial because in many cases the disease remits spontaneously. [9] Additionally, corticosteroids have many recognized dose- and duration-related side effects (which can be reduced through the use of alternate-day dosing for those on chronic prednisone therapy [10]), and their use is generally limited to severe, progressive, or organ-threatening disease. The influence of corticosteroids or other immunosuppressants on the natural history is unclear.

Severe symptoms are generally treated with steroids, and steroid-sparing agents such as azathioprine and methotrexate are often used. Rarely, cyclophosphamide has also been used. As the granulomas are caused by collections of immune system cells, particularly T cells, there has been some early indications of success using immunosuppressants, interleukin-2 inhibitors or anti-tumor necrosis factor-alpha treatment (such as infliximab). Unfortunately, none of these have provided reliable treatment and there can be significant side effects such as an increased risk of reactivating latent tuberculosis.

Avoidance of sunlight and Vitamin D foods may be helpful in patients who are susceptible to developing hypercalcemia.


Man I got tired just reading that description! I hope you can get this stabilized. They really should have a better plan in place for exacerbations. Most ERs and quick health care places don't have a clue about this sort of thing.  "He said it will take several more treatments before I stabilize on the remicade and that I might have to do short burst of steroids now and than because I refuse to take them daily."
 
Michele, I also have sarcoidosis and it was diagnosed in 1966 and I was put on high doses of Prenisone 80 mg. for a week and very slowly tapered over 6 months.  At the end of the 6 months I was in remission and in 42 years I haven't had a relapse.  I was at stage 3 when diagnosed.  The odd part of the story is I was at a university hospital in the south and my father was diagnosed at John Hopkins at the same time.  Both of us were in the hospital at the same time with the same odd diagnosis.  Once we were stable we entered a study at NIH.  Since I'm adopted they were looking for environmental issues instead of inheritated tendencies for the disease.  
 
You might be further ahead in healing if you went on the recommended dose of Pred. Believe me I understand how frutstrating this disease is but Pred. and antibiotics pulled me through.  Lindy 
Thanks for the support everyone.  I did steroids, daily for an entire year along with all the other meds.  I think thats why it took so long to dx, because the steroids suppressed the granulomas just enough to not be obvious.  Once I went off all my meds last fall, WHAM, VERY obvious!  I really thought that after 5 days now of steroids, I would at least feel a little better but nope.  The uvieitis is still ragging, despite steroid eye drops every 4 hours on top of the oral steroids. 

I went home and went directly to bed, no dinner, no nothing.  I couldn't really sleep but it hurt to keep my eyes opened.  I didn't get out of bed until 8 am this morning and still feel like I have been run over.  The boss leaves at 12:30 today and I brought a pillow and blanket to nap in the back and I am sure I will end up going home early.  I just can not take it anymore.  The steroids are not even helping with the swelling in my hands.

I am in my girlfriends wedding may 3rd and don't want to blow up on steroids before than but not sure how much ore of this I can take either.

Michele, the theory is to hit the sarcoidosis hard and prolonged and then taper.  25mg, hit and miss, for a week only, etc. isn't hitting it hard.  How does he want you to take the Pred.?  Getting the sarcoid in remission is not secondary to the side effects or swelling of taking Pred.  Remission should be your primary goal and I'm not sure you can do it without steroids used in the prescribed manner.  Sarcoidosis long term will cause you more problems than a heavy dose of steroids and tapering will.  I know that each of us has to do what we feel is best for our bodies but the long term effects of Sarcoidosis is pretty daunting.  I know because my father never had remission with his.  Have you been on antibiotic therapy along with the initial run of Pred.  Lindy

Michele, I'm so sorry for what you've been going through.  To have to deal with a doctor who is total jerk makes everything more difficult.  Why on earth would you make up such a trying disease?  Is that doctor nuts?  Of course you know a lot about it.  You've been living with it for a long time.  Give me a break!   At least your personal doctor seems to have your back.  But Lin has given you the benefit of her own experience with the same disease.  If I were you I'd talk to the doctor about trying the therapy that was so successful for her.  You can't keep going on this way.  You've been through too much already.  Please keep us posted on how you're doing.  I did do high dose steroids over a year ago and than tapered down to a low dose and stayed there for over a year.  My pulmonologist seems to think that the remicaid will work given enough time.  My adrenal glands still haven't recovered from the last go around with steroids but if after the next couple of treatments, things don't improve, I am sure I will agree to the steroids again.  The sarc has spread to my eyes, liver, kidney, joints, lungs and heart so we need to get it calmed down but I have read that when it has progressed this far for so long, its very hard to obtain remission.

I didn't pick up in your previous posts that you had tried high dose steroids, sorry for preaching to you but I wanted to make sure I covered all the bases.  I have lazy adrenals also and I have to stay on 7.5 mg. of Pred. everyday, probably for the rest of my life.  If I don't I'm so sick and fatigued that I can get out of bed.  If you're not taking 7.5 mg. a day and if your adrenals aren't working then you'll have extreme fatigue, nausea, emotional and cognitive issues.  Your body makes approx. 7.5 mg. of steroid a day.  We need that amount to live.  If your adrenals are sluggish or have stopped producing then you need to supplement with Pred.  It takes about 4 days for me to start feeling normal if I get too low on steroids.  I've tried to taper off several times and almost ended up in the hospital one time.  I'm not saying that this is what's wrong but it could be contributing.  Take care.  Lindy


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