Ihave found something to stop my knee pain | Arthritis Information

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this site and posting for the first time. Here’s my story and I hope it helps some of you.

Jonathan2008-05-16 22:19:53You get drunk from 2 oz of wine?No, but I didnt want take something to hide the pain.hi jonathan, Welcome to the board..

lin,lol, I get very drunk on 2 oz.. of any drink!!! LOL i'm such a lightweight..

anyway J.... I appreciate you posting this, I've heard of this and its recently been in some articles, that it had high healing properties, ..

Where do i buy it at? and how expensive is it??

thanks and again welcome ~

(yrs ago, before I had RA.. i had knee surgery, arth..i can't spell.. it was great, but even over 15 yrs later, i still have to keep my knee propped up..

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:20:49What a surprize!! I didn't expect that you were selling something!

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:21:16Why does your homepage call you an independant distributor?[QUOTE=Jonathan]Actualy, Im not selling anything. Im tell you about a product that help me. I dont have any invetory and dont sell the product. If you go to my site it will link you to a site to buy it for yourself. Monavie will ship you the product not me, as a matter of fact I have only have the 3 case a month that my family and I use.[/QUOTE]

You think your the first one to try and sell this product

here ?? You all have a nice little story of how you found this

MonaVie and always have a site that you own to buy it.

You are such a SPAMMER!!

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:21:51spammer

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:22:22It's not Miami. It's Maimi.I've never heard of this stuff before. (?)

What does it do exactly?

With all those great ways to earn some extra income shilling this product, I'm surprized that you don't take advantage of that Jonathan. Especially if they make you sign up as an independant distributor just to purchase this product.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:22:45hi does this drink contain grapefruit..

Boney

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:23:12if this drink contains grapefruit it is not to be taken by people on statins..

Boney

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:23:44

More anti-oxidants and phyto-nutrients than any food IN THE WORLD????? Wow. Where do I sign up? How did they test it against every food IN THE WORLD?

If you would like I can get you the information or get you the links on the Powers of ACAI

What is acai?

Acai is a small, round, dark-purple berry with amazing nutritional properties. Its appearance is similar to that of a grape, but it has a smaller amount of pulp and a single large seed. Scientific experts have referred to the acai berry as the most nutritious and powerful food in the world

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:24:38I've seen that article before. Let's look at a few lines from that article again (bold is mine):

So far, only fundamental research has been done on acai berries, which contain at least 50 to 75 as-yet unidentified compounds.

“One reason so little is known about acai berries is that they’re perishable and are traditionally used immediately after picking,” he said. “Products made with processed acai berries have only been available for about five years, so researchers in many parts of the world have had little or no opportunity to study them.”

“A lot of claims are being made, but most of them haven’t been tested scientifically,” Talcott said. “We are just beginning to understand the complexity of the acai berry and its health-promoting effects.”

If anyone wants to try products with acai berries, they're not believed to be harmful, but there are many products available that are less expensive than Monavie which also don't involve spamming forums. I certainly hope the research does lead to some helpful findings.

I dont see how I'm spamming. In my first post I tihnk Imention Monavie only once or maybe twice. I thought this forum is to tell about our experience and what has help us with our pain. Never called it a miricle or wonder cure, just how it ha helpped me. Would you feel better to see the brace I used to wear or pic of my knee after surgery. I'm not quite sure were spamming comes into play. Further more Monavie dosent permote any form of spamming so please understand the company before you speak poorly about it.

I didn't say that Monavie spams, just that there are other companies that do not. And Monavie uses a very convenient "independent distributor" plan to distance themselves from any behavior their distributors do that would appear unseemly.

Interesting that you don't think you're spamming because you only mentioned your product "once or maybe twice" in your very first post. How many times do you have to mention what you're selling before it is spamming? If you were only interested in sharing your story and not selling anything, you wouldn't include your website and contact information right in your signature line, as well as the brand name of the product. This forum has a private message system for anyone who wants to contact you about your alleged "experience". And if you're so interested in sharing, why are your only posts about this brand of juice that you are conveniently distributing? If acai is so wonderful, why not just mention the fruit? And that it's available in many different products, some of which even tell you how much of the ingredient is in their product.

Seriously, do you really think we can't tell you're here to sell your product?howdy everybody! just wanted to say i was given a bottle from a distributor. drank the whole bottle, boy was it good! i almost ordered another one but you know i could not tell any difference in my health ,if anything maybe i felt worse that week. you are trying to sell here Jonathan. not a good idea! everyone on this board is pretty smart when it comes to RA and other auto-imune diseases. we all know it is a pyramid and you make a profit so take your business somewhere else. that is not what we are about. wonderwoman

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:26:01hey i went to your web site under my story..... it is all about making money... not how your knee was cured! better look out buster!!! w.w. you are in a war zone!I was told I had arthritis as I stated in my first post. Which left me in pain and sometimes made me almost unable to function as a normal 40 year old man should. It used to take 5-10 minutes just to get out of the bed in the morning and running or riding abike wasout of the question.Another multi-level marketing scam...

first it was Noni,

Then came Mangosteen

Then Goji

and now the new improved cure all for what ails you

The Acrocka fruit found only in the vast jungles of the himalayas.....

yawn,...

save your money

PS my gullible friend was told it would help her get PG and that by signing up she got hit with a shipment of four bottles ... buyer beware

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:26:52WHERE's LEV when you need him??????.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:27:57i sold new vision international. a fantastic product they made liquid minerals when it 1st came out. all their products were great! then they got crazy making too many products and when you sell them you should at least know whether they work or not so i was spending too much money trying to try them all. i got better. but it was multi-level and i know this one is too! that is why my friend gave me a free bottle to try it. are you going to give us all a free bottle to try it? w.w.i couldnt agree more, to bad most of us dont eat that way. wow we even agreed on something.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:29:08with RA you never know why you are worse.... i just remember that was a very bad week. our bodies work alittle different than an injured knee. if you want to send me some no strings attached.. i promise i will drink it and let this forum know how it is curing me since i have had severe RA for over 21 years. i am ready for a cure. my doctor struggles with the right combinations of drugs. but hey if this works maybe i will get him to buy a bottle. he bought a bottle of the minerals just to shut me up and he was happy i was doing so well at the time..

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:29:40let me think about it..... [quote="Jonathan"]first let me say the the product has the purest and strogest ACAI thats why I used the name.[/quote]

How much of that pure, strong acai is in each bottle of the product you're selling? If the acai is so important, why are there 18 other fruits stuffed in there?

If you just want to share your experience, why is the "My Story" page of your website blank?

[quote="Jonathan"]I was told I had arthritis as I stated in my first post. Which left me in pain and sometimes made me almost unable to function as a normal 40 year old man should. It used to take 5-10 minutes just to get out of the bed in the morning and running or riding abike wasout of the question. [/quote]

Arthritis is not the same as rheumatoid arthritis. If you read any of the other messages on here before "sharing your story" (since you're "here to learn"), you would find out what RA is.

SnowOwl, you're right, he is fun!

you erased your my story [QUOTE=wonderwoman]let me think about it..... [/QUOTE]

Let me know my offer stands I will send it out.

. Jonathan2008-05-16 22:31:06I bought something like this at whole foods. long time ago. ACAI. Not sure if it's the same. It was in frozen foods.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:31:31Wow...you've been very busy with all the forums you can find on the internet, Jonathon. But from what I've read at the other forums, they aren't interested either.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:32:25Well Well Well I'm gone for awhile come back and find the SPAMMERS are trying a more direct route. Johnathon, if you haven't figure out by now NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN YOUR SNAKE OIL!!!! GO AWAY!!!

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:33:10By the way you do very nice work, I shot alot of med format and just switched over to digital. Hi Jonathan. Welcome to the board. As you have witnessed, most on this board are big into the drugs in pill form. Are not really interested in trying something alternative. It is too bad. Some of them are like vulchers and you are lucky you didn't get your eyes picked out. I'd be glad to hear more about your product. I'm all about trying something other than a pill. Advertise all you want on here as many that are critisizing you, have done some advertising themselves. Again, welcome. Post away.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:33:58Wow Jonathan,

Do you even know what RA is? I imagine everyone on this board would give their eye teeth to wake up and have a little (15 min) of pain in their knee. I bet if you walked a mile in anyone's shoes for the day you would be begging the doctor for help in a nano second. You don't know this kind of pain therefore are insensitive to the struggles of the peiople on this board.

Tell me exaclty how and with what studies that your product can help people with an auto immune disease? Are you suggesting this will replace their pills?

By the way I am very open minded and have tried these products and am dismayed at how the multi-level marketing reps take advantage of people in dismay because they want to move up the pay ladder.

The list of medications on the signature line is for the clarification of the readers.

I am all for natural, tell me why I can't just go buy frush fruit, juice it and drink it at a faction of the cost. Not only is it cheaper but better than IMO of drinking processed, bottled ,00 bottle of grape juice. Enlighten me Jonathan!

LuAnn

Well said LuAnn, very well said!

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:34:38Again you are not answering specific questions but just throwing out general statements that elude to health. So I will ask again..

1. Tell me in your own words what you think RA means. Does it equate to your sports injury?

2. Why do you post you are not selling this product when in fact you are a distributer?

Why do you say you have no inventory than offer to mail free bottles out?

3. Eating a healthy diet is posssible. Have you heard of homegrown or certified organic?

4. Again how does this product effect the disease and outcome of RA? What specifically "It Works" mean?

In these multi-level pep rallies at fancy hotels, you are told to make general statements and elude to cures, thereby making it impossible for anyone dis-satisfied customer to sue

you for fraud. Is that correct? Do you have a money back guarantee and if so post it.

You say this is a part-time hobby for you, just curious what do you do for a living? What does "if handled properly" mean? Again what double blind studies were conducted with your product on people with RA?

Jonathan, I am looking for specific answers to specific questions. Don't insult me by beating around the bush? Please just be forthright!!!!

LuAnn

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:35:33Lorster, I have no problem with all-natural products. I have a problem with people who market their products in this manner. Please don't encourage it.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:36:32Isn't that the hook though Jonathan? As if those who have purchased (if anyone really did) aren't going to be invited to sell it next. Please. Cha Ching!Again you have not answered my questions and shirted the issueS.

Folks this is how he beats you down until YOU buy his product. Jonathan I AM not impressed...

Your Pit Bull tactics lack moral responsibilty.

I AM NOT INTERESTED AND MY IGNORE BUTTON HAS BEEN ACTIVIATED

www.powersupplements.com/acai/monavie-compare.html

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:37:24I smell a snake oil salesman! Personally, I think this thread should be deleated from our site and the author banded from further participation. What he is trying to do seems very unethical to me.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:37:57Wow! I am blown away! I have checked this forum on and off for quite some time, but didn't register until today. Jonathan, how dare you!! How dare you come on to a forum and belittle people! How dare you compare an arthritic knee to living with a severe autoimmune disease! Honey, you have NO idea. While many of us are interested in natural/alternative/holistic approaches, to suggest, as you do in today's 12:27 post, that anyone should discontinue a treatment, as prescribed by a physician, seems the very height of arrogance! No one with this disease enjoys 'popping the pills' as you say. It's one thing to come to this forum and make claims (proven or not) and try to make a buck, it's not a private forum, but it's quite another thing to belittle and demean people in a forum they use as a place to find support and understanding! And the reason this thread has had so many hits is because people (like me) just can't believe your ignorance and arrogance; we keep looking they same way we would keep looking at a train wreck!Uh, the only reason that this thread got a "hit" from me was because I wanted to know why in the world it was still around, and 9 pages long. I figured out what was going on from your first post, it hasn't taken more to get what's going on. I will keep popping the pills, thank you. And have resolved not to click on this mess again! :)

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:38:39I have to say that you are a very smooth customer Jonathan.

I would also like to say that yes, It is very important that we all keep an open mind about many things in life.
The answere to this RA thing is out there and to refuse to look at something just because we do not like the hand that is offering, well that would be a very closed mind.

Non of us that are suspicious really know whether this product has some merit or not.

The answere could be in ants pee, would you take if knowing that it was from ants pee.

I'm just saying, keep an open mind until you know 100% that it is a goer or not.
we are all willing to try another way and to look for alternatives so do not put us down everyone of us has tried numerous options. go sell your product to some RD's. you are not our friend and you are strictly on here to sell. you should be ashamed of yourself. why don't you go away and all the many people who bought from you. the ones we trust can tell us in a month how great this product is and how it has totally changed their lives. i will be here. i will be waiting. oh and i want to know what pills they quit taking thanks to monavie. wonderwomanIt's really so simple. If your product is as good as you say it is, and some here have already ordered it, and you're sending free samples to others (all with NO inventory), in due time some of our fellow RA'ers will sing it's praises. You then will sell more than you ever dreamed, because we know and trust each other. If a few of the people here I've come to know and care for post that they've seen a real difference and have tossed out their meds, honey, I'm on board. So, we'll just wait and see if any of our familiar "faces" come back with rave reviews. I'm waiting.........I wonder if the CEO's of the company would be interested in viewing this thread for a study on how not to market their product....

President Dallin Larson

Monavie Headquarter

10855 South River Front Parkway

Suite 100

Salt Lake City, Utah 84095

ph: 801-748-3100

fax 801-748-3101 Ok did not read this whole thread, but wanted to reply.

While waiting for RD I was reading in one of their local newspapers about the ACSI, and some other berrys pronounced go-gee. They said it was good for OA.

Just what I read.

Cardimom,

is your dog an Australian Shepard?

I apologize in advance for adding to this post and moving it back up.

Someone at my work brought me a brochure on monavie after hearing I had RA. I did look it over, since you just never know. But, when it explained how it worked for inflammation, it lays claim to being able to replace some NSAID's. Gave the brochure back to her and said no thanks - it's just an expensive substitution for just one med that I take. It has no medical claim to replacing DMARD's or biologics. Since most of us are probably on more than just NSAID's, I don't see any merit to your claims.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:39:51You will love this little find on the internet.....

Jonathan AKA Mr.MonaVie

South Florida Network

MARKET OPERATIONS EXECUTIVE

954-242-5975

My oh my... just a consumer.. don't sell it

TSK TSK

And he speaks of HONESTY

ROFLMAO

I had two cases of this stuff given to me by a distr. It did nothing for me.I have RA

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:40:29

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:40:53Well... Johnathan is sending me a couple of bottles of

the Mona Vie to try. I will post after I get it and let others

know how it is working .

Why don't we all agree that those that are interested in Jonathans product, stay on, maybe try it, talk about it. The rest of you vulchers get the hell out and stay out!!Now Johnathan. I have a question. How many calories? Is it high in sugar as I am trying to watch my calories. One other point that I would like to make about this whole thread is that if Jonathan came in here selling prednisone and dilaudid, you would all be lining up, wanting him shipping it express. If one person benefits from a bottle of this stuff, it was all worth it. Inflammation is inflammation is inflammation. Getting rid of it is key. Jonathan may not know anything about RA, but he does not have to. He has really hit the nail here by dealing with the source and trying to correct that. This is not all about autoimmune. It is about inflammation. Lorster, it's always so pleasant to see you. I doubt their would be a line to buy controlled substances illegally. Maybe we vulchers would be lining up for road kill, but not diaudid.WOW

We have a new moderator..WooHOO

to think she has the power to select who can and can not post

Lorster,

I would also like to thank you for stinking up for me, its a rough crowd in here.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:42:05 If i it was about the money why would I send it to her for free???

Just a guess...to get more customers.

No vultures here, just people who ask questions...Supplements are fair game, just like all the questions about meds. [QUOTE=lorster]Why don't we all agree that those that are interested in Jonathans product, stay on, maybe try it, talk about it. The rest of you vulchers get the hell out and stay out!![/QUOTE]

I'm sorry lorster, I thought this was a support forum for RA, not a marketing center for anti-inflammatory products. We can talk all day about acai and goji and other ingredients that have promising appearances for anti-inflammatory applications. But I'd like to do that based on personal experience of members with RA and similar conditions as well as independent research, not information passed out by people trying to sell me a product.

Like I said guys, it does not matter if Jonathan is selling, it matters if it works. I think you all need to take your Dilaudid and chill and go to another thread, one that talks about pred, meds, side effects and leave this thread to those members that want to try something different. Let those members that want to live instead of exist and wait to die.

And Linncn. Please do not tell me that people would not line up for Dilaudid. I hand this crap out like it was Halloween every day that I work. Addiction is a huge problem in this country. And addiction is a problem on this board. Jonathan, are you offended that most of us didn't just ask you where to send the check?

As for Maimi and others who are trying Monavie, I hope it works for you.

Maybe Lorster, but I bet the addicts you supply have scripts from doctors. Or are you saying you pass it out over the internet? That's illegal ya know.

And addiction is a problem on this board.

Really....Can you back up your accusations with facts, not suppositions.lorster, you have it all wrong. I am interested in acai and how well it works. I just don't believe I'll ever find that out from someone selling it.

Addiction is a huge problem in this country. However I'd love to know what evidence you have that it is a huge problem on this board.

Gullability, as well as disrespect, seems to be a problem on this board.

[QUOTE=Jonathan]

University of Florida News - Brazilian berry destroys cancer cells in l... http://news.ufl.edu/2006/01/12/berries/

1 of 3 11/27/07 10:41 AM

University of Florida News

[http://news.ufl.edu]

Brazilian berry destroys cancer cells in lab, UF study shows

Filed under Research [http://news.ufl.edu/research/] , Health

[http://news.ufl.edu/research/health/] , Sciences

[http://news.ufl.edu/research/sciences/] , Agriculture

[http://news.ufl.edu/research/agriculture/] on Thursday, January 12, 2006.

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — A Brazilian berry popular in health food contains antioxidants that

destroyed cultured human cancer cells in a recent University of Florida

[http://www.ufl.edu] study, one of the first to investigate the fruit’s purported

benefits.[/QUOTE]

LOL - lots of stuff can "destroy cancer cells in a lab."Phew

How does Lorster get all stinking up for you...

Lorster no one is angry but YOU if anyone one needs to chill it's you, sounds like you hate your job. Maybe you will feel better in the morning :)

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:42:43jonathan, people on this board have reported about this product. I think all of them said it didn't do anything but taste good. Go back a page, I think Wonderwomen reposted that thread for you yesterday.Hey I got a bottle of stuff that kills fungus in my bathtub!

Oh wait... I don't think anyone would want to chug Tilex...

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:43:05 [QUOTE=Jonathan]Actually she said it made her worse if i remember correctley. Thats amazing to me fruits and vegitables made her feel worse. Hmmmmm not sure how that could happen. The only negative side effect at all is its high in fiber, so your BM,s will be soft at first. Which for most of you is a problem with the meds you take. Now please tell me your meds dont bind you up.[/QUOTE]

Nope. My meds don't bind me up.

So how many grams of fiber are in a serving of your juice?
[quote="Jonathan"]This forum is to help people and discuss things no beat things into the ground with out facts.[/quote]

Then why did the previous thread (http://www.arthritisinsight.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14554) about Monavie not get ugly? Maybe because it was about actual members' feedback rather than a testimonial from someone who doesn't even seem to know what RA is and just happens to be selling a product?

[quote="Jonathan"]Soon there will be facts and proof from your peers.[/quote]

Soon there will be feedback and experiences shared from our peers. Facts and proof are done in clinical studies with research standards. Maybe you've heard of them....

I am interested in the feedback and experiences, but let's not confuse them with facts and proof.

I'm guessing you know very little about RA. Because if you knew anything at all, you would know what works for one person may not work for another...I'm always happy when I hear that someone has found relief for their RA. I am however smart enough to know that RA is not a one size fits all disease.

Questions are always a good thing and it seems to me you are a little defensive about your "product." Testimonials and ancedotals are not facts....And they are unreliable for a lot of reasons. But you aren't really interested in any of this are you...It's all about pushing the "product." That's what marketing is....

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:43:28Jonathan, their was that one, but on an old thread reposted by wonderwomen yesterday, their were several people commenting on MonaVie and not terribly impressed. I guess you missed it.Nope, my meds don't "bind me up either."Jonathon,

Now you do speak out of both sides, earlier you said fruits and vegetables were lacking in nutrients because they were sprayed with pesticides and give your cancer.

I replied to you about homegrown and organic... remember

Studies can prove just about anyone's arguement....You'll need more than that. Oh and were they double blind studies?Lynn.

I already asked for that and received no answer.....

He is quite evasive

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:44:44Must of missed that..It is a very good question. One they probably don't go over when they are training people how to market this stuff :)[QUOTE=Jonathan][QUOTE=InnerGlow][quote="Jonathan"]This forum is to help people and discuss things no beat things into the ground with out facts.[/quote]

[quote="Jonathan"]Soon there will be facts and proof from your peers.[/quote]

Soon there will be feedback and experiences shared from our peers. Facts and proof are done in clinical studies with research standards. Maybe you've heard of them....

I am interested in the feedback and experiences, but let's not confuse them with facts and proof.

[/QUOTE]

I haves ent clincal studies in one of my posts, shall I resend it??

[/QUOTE]

You mean the one from University of Florida which studied acai, not monavie? The one that said they don't know the effect of processing the berries? The one that said only fundamental research has been done? The one that said (and now I really must quote):

“A lot of claims are being made, but most of them haven’t been tested scientifically,” Talcott said. “We are just beginning to understand the complexity of the acai berry and its health-promoting effects.”

And BTW, my meds don't bind me up at all.

It is important to note that this study was conducted in a relatively small number of healthy adults.

twelve participants?????

Relatively small is a understatement....LOLLynn492008-05-05 19:41:53Ah, now I see the study you mean, the one with 12 whole participants.

"It is important to note that this study was conducted in a relatively small number of healthy adults. Further studies with larger sample sizes are needed before these results can be generalized to the population-at-large."

12 people now thats impressiveThe participants were probably Monavie distributors LOL

Real randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, multicenter phase studies shouldn't be that hard to find....Also, the study doesn't mention inflammation, just anti-oxidant levels. Which could have been affected by other items in their diet, no?

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:45:52

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:47:55[QUOTE=Jonathan]Lorster,

I would also like to thank you for stinking up for me, its a rough crowd in here.

[/QUOTE]

Sorry for typo that was sticking up for me. LOL!!!

[QUOTE=Jonathan]Please go back I posted a a half a page about inflamation. Or I can repost if you would like.[/QUOTE]

But that wasn't "proof and facts" or clinical research.

While you're checking up on your answers, please find out for me when this clinical study on Monavie was done. I see that the company introduced the product in January 2005, so I'm wondering why after more than 3 years on the market they can only produce 1 study with 12 people in it.

[QUOTE=InnerGlow] [QUOTE=Jonathan]Please go back I posted a a half a page about inflamation. Or I can repost if you would like.[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]

Good question!

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:47:06Do they have RA?NO all that junk is on the main website ....

That was my question- you beat me to it.

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:47:31Jonathan, NONE of that is research on Monavie and inflammation. And I couldn't care less what the NBA players take.

Edited, because I don't mean to imply that the NBA is endorsing this product or that any NBA players are necessarily taking this product. As I understand it, they simply certified that it does not contain any banned ingredients.

InnerGlow2008-05-05 20:05:20I will report on my poor friend who was sent a case and did not order it..she is confused because she just inquired or so she thought.

Poor thing she was told it will help her get pregnant.

these claims are just unbelieveable.... [QUOTE=Jonathan]There are NBA, NFL, and MLB players taking it to. The NBA doc's approved it would you like to see that?

5.4 – Blogs, Chat Rooms, Social Networks, Online Auctions, and other Online Forums

With the exception of the websites allowed by Section 5.3, distributors shall not use any other website, including but not limited to, online blogs, chat rooms, social networks, online auction sites, video websites, or any other online forum to market, sell, advertise, promote, or discuss MonaVie’s products or services, or the MonaVie opportunity.

Uh-oh Jonathan, now you're in trouble!

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Jonathan2008-05-16 22:49:18This is what she told me and I will be sure and tell her to read this thread.

That is not a lie and you are soooo defensive.. maybe drink a bottle so you will feel better.

By the way is it Jonathon or Jonathan?????

Phytonutrients have catapulted to the top of nutritional science research. "Phytonutrients Take Center Stage" was published in the December 1999 issue of Agricultural Research magazine.

This research is from 1999? That is almost 10 years old...do you have something more recent?

Something like I asked for earlier....Real randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, multicenter phase studies.

no post here anymore

Jonathan2008-05-16 22:49:46Just like i spell itYou are definitely discussing Mona-vie's products on a non-distribution on-line forum. I'd tell your corporate bosses, but I'm sure they don't care and probably encourage this behavior verbally while writing that it's not permitted to cover their butts. [QUOTE=Jonathan]There are testimonials from MLB,NBA, and NFL players[/QUOTE]

I'll testify that 12 - 24 oz of Samuel Adams makes me feel wonderful.
JasmineRain2008-05-05 20:15:38 [QUOTE=Linncn]Jas, if you send me a free bottle, I'll try drinking a toast and reprot back how it goes.[/QUOTE]

Maybe we should get 12 friends together and do a "study"Hmmm....Do you have RA? Why would you post here unless you did. Of course, maybe, just maybe, you thought you could sell your product to people who are ill. And didn't you say that people had ordered from you? You can't have it both ways.... [QUOTE=Lynn49]Hmmm....Do you have RA? Why would you post here unless you did. Of course, maybe, just maybe, you thought you could sell your product to people who are ill. And didn't you say that people had ordered from you? You can't have it both ways....[/QUOTE]

Maybe he's been sneaking my Sam Adams... or his Monavie got fermented (must have been the batch WITHOUT preservatives in it)
InnerGlow,

I already posted corporate headquarter address and phone number.

He has make this his free marketing website and appears to be here to stay. I just can't understand his posting on RA board of his exxperience of NO RA, doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe I'm missing something LOL......... [QUOTE=Lynn49] And addiction is a problem on this board.

Really....Can you back up your accusations with facts, not suppositions.[/QUOTE]

Lynn. Can you absolutely say that no member here is addicted? I have heard all the stories, all the excuses. I could write a book. I'll find some info and post it to another thread on the signs of addiction. People can take the little quiz and decide for themselves.

no post here anymore

Jonathan2008-05-16 22:51:01 [QUOTE=InnerGlow] [QUOTE=lorster]Why don't we all agree that those that are interested in Jonathans product, stay on, maybe try it, talk about it. The rest of you vulchers get the hell out and stay out!![/QUOTE]

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Innerglow, we are not going to get any experience here unless there are people open to trying alternative methods to reduce inflammation. That is what I am waiting for. I want to see what happens. Lynn,

I don't take anything but thyroid, there's your absolute I am addicted to Coca-cola. My mouth waters at the sight of that curvaceous 12-oz bottle. I went on a retreat this weekend... I was fine without TV, radio, internet, phone, even TALKING. But I could not do without my Coke. No I can't, anymore that you can say absolutely addiction is a problem on this board. That's just the point. You may think that some people have a problem, but thinking and knowing are to entirely different things. All you have are suppositions, not facts. [QUOTE=InnerGlow]Can I toast with Bossa Nova acai juice? It tastes pretty good, especially cause no one's trying to shove it down my throat.[/QUOTE]

Party on!!! [QUOTE=Jonathan] Because i had bad arthritis in my knee. Thats why I posted here. Its late and I going to call it a night. We can pick this backup in the morning. Goodnight and peace to all.[/QUOTE]

I'll be here.....and I'll be waiting for the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, multicenter phase studies.I post about alternative all the time but some people are suffering and need more than that, that's the glory about choices and freedom.. [QUOTE=Jonathan]Because i had bad arthritis in my knee. Thats why I posted here. Its late and I going to call it a night. We can pick this backup in the morning. Goodnight and peace to all.[/QUOTE]

RHEUMATOID arthritis? Or osteoarthritis?

If you do actually have rheumatoid arthritis (the kind we all have), did the monavie alter your lab test results? All those markers for inflammation?

People here regularly post lab results, especially when a new treatment causes a change.
LOL Comedy Central tonight or is it a Full Moon??? [QUOTE=stemcell4me]LOL Comedy Central tonight or is it a Full Moon???[/QUOTE]

I'm just in a silly mood and I missed you all while I was away.Not complaining, I enjoy comedy relief without the personal attacks ,it's so liberating...

I think it's been very supportive too (except a few sour grapes)

no post here anymore

Jonathan2008-05-16 22:52:03Another thoughtful person run off by the bitches of the board. As far as spammers go, he was more fun than most. [QUOTE=JasmineRain]As far as spammers go, he was more fun than most. [/QUOTE]

Yeah... kokonuts was our last fun "spammer".

you ran koko off the same way. I didn't agree with everything he was about but was willing to learn about his product.Hey! I liked kokonuts. I did not run him off. I don't mind if people spam on the board as long as they're registered, logged in, and personally engaged like Jonathan. You can ask him questions or take it or leave it. What I don't like are the bots.

What are bots??

I agree , take it or leave it.

[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]bots are those automated spammers (bot=robot). We were getting a lot of bot spams for viagra and stuff before the board went down lately ago.[/QUOTE]

Thats funny... I see there is a new lurker here that everything about his profile

says viagra . Like his name , occupation, and I believe his hometown.

He put down viagra for eveything.

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Innerglow. I don't want respect from you, or anyone else. I state my opinion and call people on their BS and if you don't like it, don't read my posts. I just think some of you chewed this guy up and spit him out but I have to say, he never took the low road and acted like some of you.

This board is all about meds meds meds and if you are not in club med, you are a nobody here. That is my huge problem with this board. Meds are the answer to every problem here. I want more than that. I want to learn all I can about this disease. I plan on being cured of mine, not by meds, but by decreasing this inflammatory state I am in. Wow!!

I had not bothered to read this thread until now because I am not interested in any alternative treatments that cost me a lot of money. Simple. Things like probiotics, whole lemon drink are not expensive and well worth a try.

But I have to say something here in response to Lorster's posts. Wow!!!

So here I am sitting here, in agony as usual. I have one more med to try that hasn't been tried. Then what am I going to do??? I don't know.

I am certainly not about meds, meds, meds.

In fact, I am a living, breathing example of them not working. Three years, they have gone on and on and on with no solution to alleviating this disease to a place where I can be functional again. My opinion of meds is that they are bloody ineffective in general and our whole lives are hanging on them.

Most of the time, I feel that I would love to rip myself off them all but I do remember how crippled I was before I was on something, so that is all that stops me.

Oh, and as for being an addict. I am on 4 oxycodone a day, a 100mg Fentynal patch, 50 mg of Pred at the moment and none of it is working.

I only started any pain relief six months ago after enduring ten years of pain without anything but I was in tears all the time at that point. If that makes me an addict, well so be it.

The other day I had to drive 20 mins to the doctor...I could barely move. I had to make a choice to take 2 fast acting pain relief and drive on them, which I NEVER do or not go. I needed to go.

Those are my daily choices.

And the pain relief nor the DMARDS are working like I think they should be.

I don't have a choice to work. I just can't because of the RA so I don't have money to spend on alternative treatments that are costly.

I have to buy water this week and I don't know how I am going to.

I am trying to work out how to keep a roof over my daughter's head, keep our car on the road and afford all my basic medications that aren't working anyway. I don't know whether I will be able to afford my probiotics next month, that only cost and I consider well worth it.

All of this, while I don't have an option of holding down any job while they try and resolve this disease that completely cripples me.

So before you generally accuse all and sundry without specifics, of being addicts, maybe in your professional opinion, you should actually have the guts to say who exactly you think are addicts here and why. Also who exactly is the med club and who is nobody????

I wouldn't call Pip nobody.

Now, you are probably just cranky from your day and fair enough but maybe before you shoot your mouth off again on here, think about what other people are going through, whoever they may be.

amen cords!!!!   wonderwoman     everyone of us would give up our meds just to feel like a normal person.So Cordelia. Why do you take the meds if you think they are not working?
The prednisone does more damage in the long haul. It will make you more functional now, but down the road it will sneak up on you. How much of your current disability is from long term pred use? Have you considered a stem cell transplant or the column treatment? I would think that someone that has failed all the biologics, would qualify for something beyond that.

There are many people on here that don't need all the meds they are on, that is pure and simple. They are a pharmaceutical companys dream.

Many people do not know why they are on some of the meds they are on. I see this frequently at work. When I ask, and I always do, they say.....because my doctor prescribed it to me.

I would guess that there are actually people in here that do not have true erosive RA. They have problems with severe inflammation that has lead to joint pain. But no one here wants to hear anything about inflammation, only what will take care of their pain on a short term basis.

There are many schools of thought that believe that narcotics are a last resort, and all other measures should be taken prior to prescribing. Narcotic use is serious business and once started, the person needs more and more and more and pretty soon, no amount helps. Then when this person has a serious pain issue such as a fracture, appendicitis, or something like that, no amount of narcotic works on them. It is impossible to make these people comfortable. As a nurse, this is frustrating and I feel as a nurse that if a doctor would have been careful early on and taken every measure to relieve someones pain, they would not be in this situation. I'm the one that has to be in that room every 5 minutes to make sure the patient is comfortable and still breathing. I'm tired of what has happened to patients because doctors have shoved people in and out and given them narcotics when something else may have worked better.   People don't want to hear this.

Cordelia. If you have not tried Methadone, that may be one to consider.   It tends to work on people who are having no success with other pain meds.

oh i quit listing my drugs because apparently i am an addict by lorster and jonathan.   i reported jonathan today to monavie the number is 1-801-748-3300 or compliance@monavie.com.   another number where i got the most response was 1-866-217-8455. i spoke with amy and she checked out this post while we were online and she said it should never have happened. it is against the company's policy.   wonderwoman"As a nurse, this is frustrating and I feel as a nurse that if a doctor would have been careful early on and taken every measure to relieve someones pain, they would not be in this situation. I'm the one that has to be in that room every 5 minutes to make sure the patient is comfortable and still breathing. I'm tired of what has happened to patients because doctors have shoved people in and out and given them narcotics when something else may have worked better. "

This is all work related, not board related. Do you not see people telling you this? We understand that you are frustrated in your job - you see the worst end of it. This board, is FAR from the worst end of it.

Leave work at work and you will be a much happier person.

Also, you say "if a doctor would have been careful early on and taken every measure to relieve someones pain, they would not be in this situation" --- So where does that leave Cordy? You think it's any better to let someone suffer in horrible pain for 10 years? You think that's not having any effect on her meds now? You think that has nothing to do with why she has to take so much, and nothing helps?

The pendulum swings both ways, and it's about finding balance. You're screaming out directions for one side of the spectrum. That's not balance.

Take a breather, sit back and realize that you do not know everything there is to know about everyone on this board. It's words on a screen. You do not have our BP and Heart rate and list of meds and recent medical history.

We are not your patients. Again - leave work at work.
Boy, this reminds me of someone who was going to turn a regular member into the FBI. Was that you wonderwoman? You have stooped to a new low. That is not support. If Jonathan loses his job and cannot feed his family, you can go to bed tonight feeling mighty proud of what you did. Katie, there are pain meds beyond Fent and Oxy. There is methadone. She needs to go all the way to the top. Once methadone quits working, I'm not sure where she can go. I'm not sure there is anything stronger. Maybe she would be a good candidate for medical MJ

Another thing Katie, you bring the frustrations of your job here all the time. I cannot believe you would say that. He said he owns three succsessful auto repair business, and he doesn't sell MonaVie for the money. He said he doesn't need it, so not to worry! [QUOTE=lorster]
I would guess that there are actually people in here that do not have true erosive RA. They have problems with severe inflammation that has lead to joint pain. But no one here wants to hear anything about inflammation, only what will take care of their pain on a short term basis.
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So it's not real RA unless it's erosive? And "no one here wants to hear anything about inflammation" - I call bullsh*t on that. Many people (myself included) have talked at length about fish oil, dietary modifications and other stuff to address inflammation, with varying degrees of success. If you've read my posts, you'll recall that I attribute the mild course of my disease to the anti-inflammatory effects of fish oil as well as dietary modifications (very little red meat, cooking with olive oil, fruits and vegetables, etc).

If I have breakthrough pain or a flare, I'm not going to sit and suffer. I'm going to address it, so that I can keep moving - keep LIVING MY LIFE. Many people here (such as myself) also advocate regular exercise as a potent means of alleviating pain and depression.
[QUOTE=lorster]Boy, this reminds me of someone who was going to turn a regular member into the FBI. Was that you wonderwoman? You have stooped to a new low. That is not support. If Jonathan loses his job and cannot feed his family, you can go to bed tonight feeling mighty proud of what you did. [/QUOTE]

If Jonathan loses his job he has himself to blame for violating the terms of his employment.
Oh, and Katie. I promise to never bring my job to the board if you never mention your job.K, but Lorster, Katie doesn't come in and talk about what bad hotel visitors we must be. You seem to transfer what you deal with at work onto people on the board.I know lots of your meds because many of you advertise them. I'm not sure if you are bragging and I'm not sure if he who takes the most meds wins, or if you just feel the need for everyone to know your personal medical history. Loster, I do apologise first of all. I am in a lot of pain today and very cranky myself. I did not mean to take it out on you. I do not normally do that on the board, as you know.

Firstly, none of my current disability is about Pred use, I have only recently begun to use it to control flares as prior to three months ago, it never worked at all for me. My RD thought it started working because the Rituxan starting controlling the RA better. That was his explanation. So now, it is helping so much. i have also always been very cautious of it as I have seem what Janiefx has gone through with long term use - broken bones etc from osteoporosis. I wish I could put my disability level down to that.

I have no idea about stem cell transplant or column treatments but thank you, I will research both of them. If you have information on them, I would love to know more. I really would.

I want to hear about inflammation. I have always been focused on it. My ESR started at 82 and my c-reactive protein at 65 so my body is overloaded with inflammation. I can feel it. I think inflammation is a huge issue.

I can completely understand what you must see as a nurse in terms of narcotic use. It would be frustrating I imagine. But I didn't resort to narcs for a really, really long time when they was literally nothing else to be done.

I have asked about Methadone a while back but my doctor would not consider it at that time.

Unfortunately, I have to be able to function and be a parent. I am not prepared to put my daughter in foster care and me in a nursing home at 40 years old so I can not be on narcotics and prednisone because that would be what would happen. I have to use what is available to keep me functional now, surely that is the whole point of medicine and how it is supposed to help people. I do not feel I have the luxury to just go off all my medication and risk being as crippled as I was. No, I am not better but then I was worse.

I do thank you for your ideas though and again apologize for taking my pain out on you earlier.
Linncn. I just recognize some of the behavior. And to tell you the truth, it sets me off. I don't blame the patient, I blame the one that prescribed the meds and made a mess of the patient who really does have pain that is impossible to treat. lorster this product is a hobby to get rich. he owns several auto shops read back alittle further before being judgemental. no i do not believe he should have been peddling his wares here. the product monavie is a good one i have used i bottle and plan to try some more but you do not come on a sight like this and give out your website to buy his product he is selling. yes i think more people ought to complain it was against his own companies rules!!!!!   wonderwoman   oh and by the way lorster you need to go to bed.

Oh so Lorster you do acknowledge that Jonathan was in violation of the ethical rules set by his company. Because obviously if he was doing what he was supposed to be doing then a single complaint call wouldn't put his job in jeopardy.

Jonathan wasn't looking for support from this board other than the financial support provided by buying his product. This board very openly disussing alternative treatments...it was the sales pitch that was objected too. It seems strange that you were the only one not to figure that out. I can asssure you that if someone from Amgen came on trying to sell us enbrel they would be greeted the same way. Though the Amgen sales person would at least be able to provide the scientific studies that posters had asked for.

lorster, you talk about the "low road", but you were the one calling people bitches and addicts. Jonathan didn't do that, nor did the people who questioned his very questionable actions (which violated the terms of his own contract). Just y