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I finally saw this movie last night and it was really inspiring. It reminds you of what a leader CAN be. Very timely.


http://www.sonyclassics.com/jimmycartermanfromplains/I have not seen it but I have always been impressed by Jimmy Carter, the man is an inspiration to us all of what one man can do!!!!! meme2008-05-06 10:28:21He is very popular in Israelwhen he 1st ran for president my family took part of our vacation in Plains, Georgia.   it was fun.  the people were genuine.    wonderwomanremember billy's beer.... .We toured Georgia in 1996 and went through Plains, its hard to imagine that someone became President from his background.  He knew there was an energy crisis looming, too bad he was ridiculed for pushing to decrease consumption to lower our dependence of other nations for our supplies.  He's on the Jay Leno show tonight. Right NOW!

I saw him on larry king the other night and was amazed how sharp he is.  I admire him
and wish our past and future presidents would have half his compassion.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.  His mother joined the Peace Corps at 70 and served in India.  Two very dedicated, compassionate humanitarians.  He's one former President whom I don't mind paying for his retirement -- he still serves humankind, still
working for world peace.
Joie2008-05-08 06:52:03

Has everybody forgotten how truly bad Carter was as a President . Some of you may be too young to remember. For years Carter has been the thorn in the side to any President after him. Remember how Carter got Clinton  totaly fumed on N Korea and Haiti? Clinton wanted to kill him. How about Carter writing to Communist China ( UN SEC Council ) before the first Gulf War trying to thwart anything G Bush and the UN was going to do. WE only found out about it when Brian Mulrooney of Canada  ( sp ? ) called Dick Cheney and said WTF is with this %$#@@ hole. He is noted for his Camp david accord. That was great for a little while until evrybody found out that the deal had already been brokered by the King of Morrocco and weird as it sound the head of Romania. When sadat and Begin had the plan they called the White House . Why to pay the bill of course. And WE did! Put a camera anywhere and so long as JC is getting praise he will stay there for days. JC loved Yasser Arafat. Hates Israel and Sharon.  Just look at the way Arafat hated Ronald Reagan. He felt betrayed since Carter had promised so much. Carter even wrote a speech for Arafat that he was to deliver in the US. Carter is thought to be a champion for human rights. Hell he hailed Yugoslovia's Tito as a man who beleives in human right ...WTF ? He had a friendship with Daniel Ortega ( Nicaragua ) even went there to monitor there elections . Man was he pissed when the sandinista lost. There is more so much more. How about 18% mortgage rates at the time!! but you can watch the movie and enjoy knowing what a geat man JC was.....NOT

lets not forget the double digit inflation and the Iranian hostage crisis  too.  Carter was soundly defeated in the 1980 electionsAs president he left a lot to be desired for. However, I do feel he's a very effective diplomat. [QUOTE=buckeye]lets not forget the double digit inflation and the Iranian hostage crisis  too.  Carter was soundly defeated in the 1980 elections[/QUOTE]
 
LOL...I think the hostages were let go the day Carter left office and Ronald Reagan was coming in. RR would have handled it quite differently the the idiot Peanut Farmer

In all honesty I wasn't a big fan of either Carter or Reagan.
I was young during those years, and also I like to stay off these political threads, but since my husband I discussed something similar just last night,  I'm going to share.  Especially since he agreed with me and that never happens!  He is also twelve years older, so he has 'adult' memories of that time.

I think Nixon was a good president, but not a good man.  Carter was/is a good man, but not a good president.  I remember financial struggles for my family when Carter was president, due to things cited by other posters.

Please don't crazy on me for saying something good about Nixon LOL, it is just how I remember 'life' at that time.    i actually agree with you SuzanneDoes that mean Bush Jr is a bad president because of the prime mortgage meltdown and the price of gas?
Oh....wait......Oh yeah...they go into that hostage thing in the movie. I'm SURE you would have handled it quite differently, 6T5. Who cares who dies?[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Does that mean Bush Jr is a bad president because of the prime mortgage meltdown and the price of gas?
Oh....wait......[/QUOTE]
 
Well it was only a short amount of time till ole GWB was bought into the arument. Just like yesterday with Lorster.....Linccn oh Linncn.
6t5frlane: You meant "argument" didn't you?

Unless there are personal insults hurled I prefer to think of this discussion as a "debate" because that's what civilized people engage in!
[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Oh yeah...they go into that hostage thing in the movie. I'm SURE you would have handled it quite differently, 6T5. Who cares who dies?[/QUOTE]
 
Gimp, Carter pretty much caused the Hostage Crisis or have you forgot. You seem to only remember one side. Against advice NOT to do so he allowed the now X Shah to enter the US for Cancer treatment. Reaction.Hostage Crisis 
[QUOTE=watchingwolf]6t5frlane: You meant "argument" didn't you?

Unless there are personal insults hurled I prefer to think of this discussion as a "debate" because that's what civilized people engage in!
 
 
If you like..sure....debate....
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[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Oh yeah...they go into that hostage thing in the movie. I'm SURE you would have handled it quite differently, 6T5. Who cares who dies?[/QUOTE]
 
Not sure if Carter did. The poor Americans were held hostage for 444 days. He failed, but wanted them released under his watch. I think he was embaresed by the fact he could not suceed. Also remember that  8 US serviceman did die in the ill fated rescue mission
anyone else think its ironic that gimpy loves Jimmy Carter despite his disastorous foreign and economic policies yet hates George Bush for the exact same reasons. 
 
Gimpy in case you can't read your own original thread the topic was Jimmy Carter not George Bush.  Disliking the Carter presidency does not automatically mean you support Bush but again the discussion was Carter.  Most of us can keep the 2 seperate
buckeye2008-05-08 10:48:41I guess the only way to defend Bush is to try to not allow people to discuss him, since no one can defend his policies.
Current universal Bush Jr debate: What will Bush Jr be remembered for? Being the worst US President ever or the second worst US President ever?
HHMMM....Off the top of my head I would say the worst 5 were in no particular order
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Warren Harding
Herbert Hoover
James Carter
Since you are enamored with everything  American you can figure it v out
JC tried to see the problem from all sides not just from the right side.  He got foreign leaders to talk when others couldn't.  You may not agree with alot of things he did but he had more dignity and class then "Ronny" and his wife.  We are never going to agree on what he did or didn't do but he has done alot to help people now.meme2008-05-08 16:01:06Um, when was "Ronny" undignified?
I thought  Gimpy did personally insult 6t5.  Unless "who cares who gets killed" is a good thing?
It seems that liberal's only defense is..........yeah but GWB.......
Even if GWB was/is all the evil things in Gimpy's wild fantasy, Jimmy Carter was still a very bad President.  You can give him a pat Habitat for Humanity.....and peanuts are good.   Beyond that, I don't get it.
"Talk about bad pennies always turning up; Jimmy Carter’s at it again.
 
It would be easy to blame the 83-year-old former one-term president’s frequent excursions into irrational behavior on senility were it not for the fact that he appears to have been senile most of his public life.
 
Any recitation of his frequent excursions into his personal Land of Oz where the good guys are bad and the bad guys are good sounds like a litany of Carter-esque fantasies. His onetime White House Chief of Staff, Hamilton Jordan, once spoke about what he called Carter’s “weirdness factor.”
If he hadn’t just happened to be the leader of the most powerful nation on the face of the earth and the sole bulwark against the expansion of Soviet tyranny, his weirdness wouldn’t matter in the scheme of things, but he was, and much of what he did -- and continues to do today -- brought disastrous results for his nation and the world.
 
No one should be surprised at his recent hobnobbing with the terrorist leaders of Hamas. During his four years in the White House, he showed a unique ability to reward the enemies of human freedom while punishing some of America’s strongest supporters.
 
Anyone shocked by Iran’s troublemaking, including training and arming the terrorists killing American troops in Iraq, can thank Brother Carter for conspiring to drive out the Shah, a fervent supporter of the United States, and seeing him replaced by the mullahs who repaid his kindness by taking nearly 70 Americans hostage and holding most of them for an astounding 444 days.
 
He withdrew U.S. support and the Shah was toppled, more than 20,000 pro-Western Iranians were killed, women were sent back into servitude and citizens were arrested merely for owning satellite dishes that could tune to Western programs. And, of course, American diplomats were taken hostage.
 
This is the same James Earl Carter whose feeble attempt to rescue the hostages turned into a deadly farce in the Iranian wastelands. The same Jimmy Carter whose presidency saw long lines at the gas pump, the same Jimmy Carter who gave away the Panama Canal thus enabling China’s Hutchison Whampoa to eventually control both ends of Theodore Roosevelt’s “big ditch.”
 
One of his legacies is one Robert Mugabe, the homicidal dictator of Zimbabwe now brutally suppressing his rivals who apparently won in an election to replace him. Under Mugabe the formerly prosperous Rhodesia now suffers famine, the white farmers whose abundant crops once fed the nation have been were killed or driven from their land, and so-called enemies of the regime butchered in waves of mass murder.
 
This is the Robert Mugabe who Jimmy Carter hosted at the White House in 1980, proclaiming that he had watched happily as Mugabe emerged victorious in his election campaign for the presidency. He pledged to use similar tactics in his own reelection campaign.
 
On his own, Carter went to North Korea and struck a deal on nuclear arms with dictator Kim Jung Il to which the Clinton administration acquiesced. North Korea then secretly violated the deal and went on to build the nuclear weapons that threaten world peace.

Since leaving the White House, Carter has embraced the likes of Fidel Castro and Venezuela’s communist dictator, the virulently anti-American Hugo Chavez, putting his stamp of approval on the rigged election that kept him in power.

Carter’s obvious antipathy toward Israel and his chumminess with Palestinian militants puts him squarely on the side of the Palestinian militants. In his book “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,” Carter claims Israel has been the principal obstacle to peace, charging that Arab leaders have long sought peace while Israel insists on keeping what he calls  "Palestinian land" over achieving peace. He says that there would be peace if only Israel would "[withdraw] to the 1967 border as specified in the U.N. Resolution 242..."

Senile, or just incurably weird? It makes no difference. In any sense, James Earl Carter is an embarrassment to the United States and a danger to global stability."
 
Michael Reagan
meme, You really should read a bit more on JC. He was a horror show. "Dignity and class ". Hardly. For those interested in a more objective look at President Carter than the rant by concervative radio talk show jock micheal reagan, see PBS American Experience series on American Presidents.  An excerpt on the documentary on President Carter:
 
"Jimmy Carter's story is one of the greatest dramas in American politics. In 1980, he was overwhelmingly voted out of office in a humiliating defeat. Over the subsequent two decades, he became one of the most admired statesmen and humanitarians in America and the world. Jimmy Carter, part of American Experience's award-winning Presidents series, traces his rapid ascent in politics, dramatic fall from grace and unexpected resurrection.

"Few stories better illustrate the intersection of character and leadership than the story of Jimmy Carter," says producer, writer and director Adriana Bosch (Ulysses S. Grant, The Rockefellers, Reagan). "The very qualities that got him elected -- tenacity, religious certitude and an absolute confidence in his abilities -- made it nearly impossible for him to govern."

Carter was the first president to confront the challenge of militant Islam, then embodied by the Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of the Iranian revolution. Carter was also the first president to embark on what would prove to be the excruciating road to peace in the Middle East. But in the end, he would be undone by his failure to secure the hostages' release and by a plummeting economy.

The documentary shows how Carter's political redemption was accomplished by Carter himself. The memories of his presidency -- gas lines, inflation, recession, the Iran hostage crisis, an ineffectual and fractured administration, and the so-called national malaise -- would be eclipsed, finally, by his post-presidential successes as a peacemaker in the world's most troubled areas, and his emergence as a champion for the poor in his own country.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/
 
Nice. I like fiction movies

Oh,  I guess the facts are just a rant.  Crazy how that works.

To me, it seems like you guys are distorting the facts, and ranting, and insulting. Guess it all depends on your perspective. The truth isn't an insult, it's just what happened.  I guess for some it's just in the "violently opposed" stage? Well, I guess not violently, maybe vehemently fits better.

History tells the truth of the Peanut farmer. What facts were distorted ? Where is their peace in any place that JC intervened. Surely not the Middle East.

[QUOTE=Linncn] The truth isn't an insult, it's just what happened.  I guess for some it's just in the "violently opposed" stage? Well, I guess not violently, maybe vehemently fits better.[/QUOTE]

That's a passive-aggressive personal dig. Personally, I have more respect for overt insults. At least then you're not pretending you're above it.By the way, I have great respect for Jimmy Carter. If you have a problem with that, too bad for you.i don't consider a conservtive talk show jock who relies on ratings based on how outrageous and inflammatory he can be as reliably representing american history. 
 
just curious, why do you hate this president so, its not like he committed criminal acts which required to him to resign to avoid impeachment, its notlike  he outright lied to the american public and manipuulated the press to sell a war w/no end in sight costing us over 4,000 american lives and perhaps trillion.  president carter had his failings but i don't understand the loathing for him expressed here.    
Actually, it doesn't surprize me one bit that you'd be a fan of Jimmy Carter Gimpy.  It does surprize me that you find it offensive if someone references the quote in your sig line.  I wasn't insulting you, passively or aggressvly.  You should get over yourself Gimpy.  [QUOTE=Linncn] Actually, it doesn't surprize me one bit that you'd be a fan of Jimmy Carter Gimpy.  It does surprize me that you find it offensive if someone references the quote in your sig line.  I wasn't insulting you, passively or aggressvly.  You should get over yourself Gimpy.  [/QUOTE]

Ah...more insults. And all because I admire a great man.Just keep this important fact in mind. Gimpy hates our United States and her past posts certainly support that statement. I actually believe that she is just jealous of our wonderful, brave, mighty country. You can always expect admiration from gimpy to any one that tries to destroy our wonderful country, including Jimmy Earl Carter. As far as Jimmy Earl Carter being some great humanitarian, equivically speaking, I do more on a daily basis than he does. I'm not bragging, I'm just stating a fact. Canada is still a country so devided and so many provinces not wanting to be associated with canada or each other and that's what Gimpy is hoping for in our great country. Not gonna happen Gimpy.
 

Let me tell you about what Jimmy Carter knows first-hand about political exploitation of suffering and making the world a safer place.

A new documentary, "In the Face of Evil," shows just how Carter himself, as president, tried to exploit the power of his office and the suffering of hundreds of millions living under the iron hand of Soviet oppression to undercut his challenger in 1980 – Ronald Reagan.

Carter, according to the movie's Soviet sources, tried to get Leonid Brezhnev to help him defeat Reagan. He sought the help of this foreign totalitarian – a murderer and a tyrant – because he feared the loss of the White House.

He told Brezhnev that Reagan was a risk to begin a nuclear war if he won the presidency – an irresponsible, treasonous statement that surely brought the world closer to nuclear war.

It's a shocking story – and just one of the explosive revelations of this magnificent movie now playing in select theaters in New York and Washington.

Carter was an appeaser unlike any previous U.S. president.

He signed one agreement after another with the Soviet Union that served only to diminish U.S. power in the world because we lived up to the agreements and the other side didn't.

He had no problem destroying the ability of the U.S. military to fight because he didn't trust American arrogance.

He told us we had to co-exist with what his successor would call "The Evil Empire" and accept that those under its dominion would be slaves for the rest of their lives.

He told Americans they had an unwarranted fear of communism.

And that's why he served one disastrous term.

Carter was bad for the economy. He was bad for the military. He was bad for America. He left the country in a shambles – demoralized, broke, directionless.

Carter must be hoping the majority of Americans have forgotten what life was like under his presidency. For those of you who don't remember, life was not good by any measure. We waited in gas lines for fuel. America was on the retreat around the world. The Soviet Union was advancing on all fronts.

Even Carter seemed to grasp that something was wrong toward the end of his first term. So he famously blamed Americans rather than himself. He told us we were living in a "malaise." He didn't understand that he was the primary cause of that malaise.

Nor has his understanding of politics improved any in the last 24 years.

Someone once said charitably that Carter was a great "ex-president." But that was a long time ago. That was when he was building homes for the poor through Habitat for Humanity. Lately, he has joined the chorus of the most radical wing of his shameless, treacherous, un-American party.

The truth is, Carter is no better as an "ex-president" than he was as a president.

He's an embarrassment. He's a clown. He's a joke.

It's almost difficult for some of us who survived his presidency to believe we once elected this Georgia peanut farmer to the highest office in the land. I was one of the idiots who voted for him – twice. Believe me, it's not easy to admit it.

But Carter's advice does, perhaps, serve a useful purpose: We should listen carefully to what he says – and always do the opposite.

Joseph Farah
levlarry2008-05-09 18:50:38
Joseph Farah, another conservative radio  talk show jock, claims Carter "brought the world closer to nuclear war."
 
Unlike both radio talk show jocks Micheal Reagan and Joseph Farrah, who have never served in the armed forces, Jimmy Carter served his country for seven years.   He received a bachelor of science degree from the United States Naval Academy in 1946. In the Navy he became a submariner, serving in both the Atlantic and Pacific fleets and rising to the rank of lieutenant. Chosen by Admiral Hyman Rickover for the nuclear submarine program, he was assigned to Schenectady, N.Y., where he took graduate work at Union College in reactor technology and nuclear physics, and served as senior officer of the pre-commissioning crew of the Seawolf, the second nuclear submarine.  He served in the Navy until 1953, retiring, when his father died, to manage the family farm.  From this training and experience, I think he fully understood how close we had come to annihilating the world in a nuclear war, and worked to prevent this.  
 
Funny how those who have never served their country are the most hawkish, and those who claim to be soooooo Christian do not value the sanctity of life, and disparage a man who works for world peace.
 
 
Joie2008-05-09 19:47:31Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, John McCain should be the next president? If there are some false facts posted about Jimmy Earl Carter then state them. What he did in the service has nothing to do with what he did as president. It has nothing to do with conservative or liberal or independant, it has to do with historical fact. He can start a thousand habitats and it still won't change the fact that he and President Clinton sent us down a dangerous world road. They gave North Korea the blueprints to nuclear energy and weapons and gave North Korea a billion dollars to boot just with a verbal promise from Kim Il Jong that he wouldn't use the bluprints for nuclear weapons and well, the rest is Carter and Clinton History. The whole asian area now threatened by North Korea. Where do Syria and Iran get their nuclear needs from? Listen, I'm neither democrat or republican but true history is true history, only people like you let history be blurred by a few habitats.
 
LEV
[QUOTE=6t5frlane] [QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Does that mean Bush Jr is a bad president because of the prime mortgage meltdown and the price of gas? Oh....wait......[/QUOTE]

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6t5, I have forgiven you for voting for him. [QUOTE=justsaynoemore] They are all crooks, both sides, all parties, all colors, both genders.  Term limits for Congress and SCOTUS, NOW.  [/QUOTE]

We may differ on many issues, but I wholeheartedly agree with your statement above!!!!!

Careful JR, you just gave me a scare :) 

Gimpy...."more insults"????  What are you talking about?  Where did I insult you?  Besides, you say alot of inflammatory things, I kinda think you want a fight rather than a discussion.  I don't think anyone insulted anyone until you threw out the "oh yeah, you don't care who dies" or whatever it was you said to 6t5.  If you have a problem with insults, check yourself.In my world patronising someone and being passive aggressive is insulting. And if 6T5 got to handle the Iranian hostage crisis like he wishes I'm sure a lot of people would have died, so I don't think that's particularly insulting. All we have to do is look at Iraq to see how the Republican solution to these things results in widespread carnage (and no resolution).

[QUOTE=lorster] [QUOTE=6t5frlane] [QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Does that mean Bush Jr is a bad president because of the prime mortgage meltdown and the price of gas? Oh....wait......[/QUOTE]
 

Well it was only a short amount of time till ole GWB was bought into the arument. Just like yesterday with Lorster.....Linccn oh Linncn.
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6t5, I have forgiven you for voting for him. [/QUOTE]
 
Thank Goodness, I was up all night waiting for your approval. Curious how you know who I voted for or if I even voted?
[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]In my world patronising someone and being passive aggressive is insulting. 

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is this one of those cases of do what I say not what I do...because Gimpy you arethe Queen of a passive aggressive patronising human being 
buckeye2008-05-10 08:58:32

Gimpy~You are tranferring your own tactics on to others.  It's like the liar always thinks people are lying to him, the cheater is extra jealous, the thief is always counting his money...you get the picture.  I was neither passive nor aggressive with you.  I said what I thought about your ignorant remark to 6t5 and conservatives in general.  And now I see you're trying to act all "who, me, that wasn't an insult" .  Who's passive aggressive in this picture???

You are! And you just called me "ignorant" which is an insult. [QUOTE=justsaynoemore]The meltdown of LOANS is because of the deregulation of Savings & LOANS by President Reagan.  This is how Countrywide was able to form.    [/QUOTE]
 
I think JustSay's remarks bring up the importance of historical knowledge and context.  Policies and actions of previous Administrations, contribute to some of the problems that are inherited by later  Administrations.   Carter was not an effective president, but the problems w/Iran in the 70s had its roots in a CIA operation in Iran in  the 50s which solidified the Shah's power and autocratic rule.   In 2000, U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright stated:

"In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Massadegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs."

    
 
 

I'm not insulting you, I am making an observation.  Any conservative on this board will agree that you are clearly uninformed about what we think, and yet you make (nasty) comment after (nasty) comment as though you have a clue about it.  Every time you make one of your inflammatory remarks, you reveal your ignorance in that area.

That's just waht I think of you! But I note the vast majority of insults are thorwn out by the conservative's here---just look at this page, for example! It's a case of not agreeing with the opinion equals a free for all on persoanl attacks from "you people". It's no wonder most of the world has lost respect for your ilk.Sure Gimpy.  Whatever you say..........
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