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Thank those of you that have an open mind, please dont ever let the rest beat you downWell Jonathan, You have taken a fair bit of stick and a little has come from myself,
but I never can completely dismiss anything unless I have seen, heard, or felt personally.

Every thing is open to interpretation and an open mind can help us all in our decision making.

You have made mention about Photography, do you still do any of that.


yes, I didnt want to go digital because I love the art.  The whole world has gone that way so i now have a nikon digital.  My little sister still shots pin hole and still dips and dunks all her b/w film, now thats a dieing art.  The digital is nice, but takes some of the skill and unknown out of what your shooting.  My med format is a baronica and mamyia with a poleroid back on both.Jonathan,

 
While you were trying to sell your product on this forum, did you happen to notice the advertisements to the left? Those are paid advertisements from legitimate advertisers, not spammers and scammers. There are only two types of advertisers here, legitimate and spammer/scammers and you have to fall into one of those two groups.
 
I wanted to reply to you in this thread because I wanted to explain those members that you feel have "open minds". 
 
First as you have probably figured out, Lorster isn't quite right. If a member were to say that snow is white she would argue that snow isn't white and that it is filled with pollution from the evil United States and that much of it comes from a ranch in Texas owned by GWB and she knows for a fact that he burns serious pollutants on his ranch because one of her relatives is with the secret service and has many times seen GWB burn pollutants on his ranch.
 
Now Mr. Bodak will let you spam here all day long as long as you stroke his ego by complimenting his photography. If you spam at other forums, I'm sure you will run into Mr. Bodak at some of the other forums where he likes to share his photography.
 
And for any member that will allow you to spam here for a free jar of juice, I can only imagine what they would do for twenty dollars.
 
What you said on the Mr. Chris thread about us rheumatoid arthritis sufferers shows what a classless, nasty human being you really are. Some one needs to sock you up. I would hope you to get fired but you won't because you are just a dime a dozen distributor for a dime a dozen take anybody go nowhere marketing firm.
 
LEV
[QUOTE=levlarry] Some one needs to sock you up. I would hope you to get fired but you won't because you are just a dime a dozen distributor for a dime a dozen take anybody go nowhere marketing firm.
 
LEV
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I second your comment above!
 
I just finished reading as much of that "sales" thread as I could tolerate...
 
I'm wondering who is admin here?  Is there not monitoring of this type of behavior?  Trying to dupe people in pain out of ...what was it 0 for a couple CASES?   Shiester be banned!
 
 
babs102008-05-08 18:01:05And good day to you LEV, hope it's a good one.

Lev, I think I am like most human beings, yes, I do like having my ego stroked on occasion.
Don't you?

I also hope that I can push a little warmth out there as well with what I know I can do.

Have a good one Lev. Jonathan, there is a difference between an open mind and an empty one.  Being open to possibilities does not mean that you accept everything that's out there no matter how little unbiased "proof and facts" there are to back it up, or how unethically its promoted (such as violating distribution terms).I wasnt stroking anyones ego.  I call it like I see it.  I also take pic's and was admiring his work, I guess compliments on the forum are no good either.  I spoke my mind on the other subject and Im done, you can call it whatever you want your wrong and mislead.  And for the record as soon as I was informed it wasnt allowed it stopped unlike the personal attacks, which for I find quite humerous at this point.  I will continue to post my positve insight, unless im breaking another rule here where only negative is allowed.  I look forward to the upcoming post from my beloved fans.  I will tell you there are a lot of very positve people in this forum that really mean well and are good people.  Lorster has never said and ill word twords me so I have nothing bad to say at all, she ok in my book which makes her even a bigger villlin im sure.Jonathan2008-05-08 19:06:56I forgot to mention in my last post, another thing that has been a great help to my pain is Bio Feedback, now this is an amazing thing if you have a strong mind and the desire to learn.  It dosent cure anything but can sure help with pain and healing.  Opps sorry there I go talking about something good again. Jonathan2008-05-08 19:36:34
[quote="Jonathan"]And for the record as soon as I was informed it wasnt allowed it stopped unlike the personal attacks[/quote]
 
Sorry, but that's not entirely true.  You were informed and responded several more times before you stopped...and I'm not sure why we needed to inform you of the terms of your existing agreement with a third party.  Also, I have never made a personal attack on you. 
 
I only responded to this thread because I did not like the implication that those of us who want good answers and ethical behavior don't have open minds.
 
And as long as you're not selling bio feedback machines, then I appreciate hearing about your experience with it.  your conversations. I really dont like to talk about it very much, not the best time of my life.  To be very honest I try not to take anything unless im really really sick.  I just had a root canal no pain med's at all.Amazing how all the negative people are staying away from this thread.  Where are they now?  Reality really sucks when we look at ourselfs, and dont like what we see.  I must say at this point I like what I see in me, and dont care much what anyone thinks or says.  I have made that pretty odvious over the past week.  Hey Jonathan,
 
 
 
They aren't negative people, they are just done with you. They showed us all just what a low life you really are. You even went so far as to delete part of your website because they are so smart that they showed your true colors and you short morals. Your family must be proud. These "negative" people caught you in your lies. They are done with you. They are done with you. They chewed you up and spit you out. They are done with you. This is your words you scumbag. You don't even know what rheumatoid arthritis is you lowlife and yet you say this to us? Somebody ought to sock you up:
 
Jonathan
Groupie
  
Yor are all such angery people.  I dont know anything about what Chris is selling or even if it works, but you all advertise your meds and pills at the bottom of our post.  Just as an example Wonder Woman, Whispered and there are many more.  Half of these pills are for your mind not your bodies.  Your doctors with your help are makeing the pharmasutical companys rich and turning you into legalized drug addicts.  Why not try something natural, affraid it might work and make you better.  And then no more pillswow what a concept
 
You are an idiot at the least. The meds we take are not for our minds. They are not addictive. They are not posted as advertisement but rather to show just how much sufferring we endure to have to take such dangerous drugs, you blanking idiot. Where did your parents go wrong? You are a lowlife idiot to make such a statement. We aren't negative people because we want nothing to do with the likes of you. We are knowledgeable sufferrers of rheumatoid arthritis. We are done with you, got it?
 
LEV
[QUOTE=levlarry]
You are an idiot at the least. The meds we take are not for our minds. They are not addictive. They are not posted as advertisement but rather to show just how much sufferring we endure to have to take such dangerous drugs, you blanking idiot. Where did your parents go wrong? You are a lowlife idiot to make such a statement. We aren't negative people because we want nothing to do with the likes of you. We are knowledgeable sufferrers of rheumatoid arthritis. We are done with you, got it?
 
LEV
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Wow, Lev! If I am reading that right and comprehending it right... I think you LIKE all of us and many of us have GROWN on you.
 
Ok now... I must go "advertise" my meds in my siggy line! Not to show how much I take, but because I forgot I erased them and put them back. No Lev, you have it wrong, I'm not done with Jonathan at all.

Even if he was what you say, I would still rather have Jonathan beside me as he has shown some character and not sunk into the pits.
He has had plenty thrown at him and has not wavered..
Bodak,
 
Jonathan wasn't calling you one of the negative people, he was calling you one of the "open minded" people. He was calling Wispered and Wonderwoman and the others from the post that showed all of us what a low life he really is to be negative people.You are part of his "open minded" people. You are open minded, Bodak. You are one of the most open minded people I've ever heard. You are so cool. You are the best photographer I've ever reviewed and you are so handsome. I also want to thank you for all of your RA input not just on this RA forum but also the other RA forum that I visit at and you post your pictures. Oh, wait a second, my mistake, you've never made any RA input, 'scuse me, my mistake. But you are a good photographer like all of us, it's so hard to click, click. Does your finger really do that all by it's self. You're the best Bodak, the best.
 
Regards
Thank you for your kind compliments Lev, much appreciated. Hey Jonathan. nice to see you again. You are always welcome here. Ignore the negativity of the board. There are plenty of positive people here. Especially ignore Lev. He is a bit Off...too much codeine.(the cold filtered stuff). I would be most happy to hear anything you have that may be good for inflammation. WTF? 
You should be ashamed of yourselves.... You've hijacked a medical RA forum, (to which I am new) which I and MANY others NEED to gain insight and learning and meaningful knowledge, to mudsling and insult each other from behind your anonymous  computer screens.
Grow up.
Aw c'mon.  I find the Friday Night Fights rather amusing. Yeah... it is kinda like we are in a bar... and everyone taking pot shots at each other. [QUOTE=Bodak]Thank you for your kind compliments Lev, much appreciated. [/QUOTE]

Hey Stephen, I find Lev so annoying and vindictive, take no notice, I admire your stance on the issue of dealing with 'it', I think they must have loosened the straightjacket!

As for everyone taking photos like you, can I ask where?  You see things in real life and picture them as still photography,  then the picture takes on its own story, I don't know about anyone else but my pictures are birthdays, parties and weddings!!!  Keep up the good work, it all comes down to one thing Jealousy!  Your admirer and proud of it, Janie.

Wow, I don’t even know where to start.  I guess to the best place to start is Lev you owe my 0.00 for your therapy session and I think maybe we need to add some anger management classes into the mix. Although I’m anti med’s I think Lithium or large doses of Prozac are in order.

 

Now to be serious, the reason this spamming scum bag slime ball bottom feeder deleted my information off my profile is that was one of the complaints of a few people on this forum.  I have learned in life you can make everyone happy.  As far as you calling me a liar, I maybe a lot of things but not a liar.  I’m as true and real as it gets. And I understand sometimes that makes people angry and even frustrated.  I have never stooped to LEVel of a few of the people of this forum, and that has to do with my up bringing (thanks mom and dad, love you guy’s) and the LEVel of my education (thanks again mom and dad).  I’m not going to brag about my schooling, because that’s not what this is about. I will tell you my schooling wasn’t in writing and spelling, if that has not become apparent by now.

 

I came to this forum to share my story and tell people what I did to make me feel better and was as someone put it (Chewed up and spit out). I’m not sure what was accomplished by doing that I’m still here and more people are listening and responding then ever.  You have even taken people that in the start may have thought I was spamming and that’s all I was here for and turned them into Jonathan advocates.  Looking back my excitement and enthusiasm about feeling good could be taken as spamming.  If that was the case I would have moved on to another spot, yet I’m still here and not going anywhere.  My moral fiber and up bringing have taught me never to run and hide and take your adversaries head on with class and dignity.  With the exception of a few people I think the majority of people whether agree or disagree with my posts would have to say I have done that.  For the rest of you, you’re entitled opinion.  I would also be much appreciated if you would keep your attacks just to me and not bother innocent people who have a different view than you, or that even might agree a little with me.  Stephen for example shares his photos here because that’s his choice and I haven’t found anything wrong with that.  Actually it might put a smile on a few faces, I know it did mine.  He has also confirmed my thoughts about going to Australia it’s a beautiful place, thank you Stephen.  See everyone that’s the great thing about forums it’s a place to speak freely and with your own personal feelings.  This would be a very boring and anger place if we all thought alike.

Lorster,
 
Great to see you again also. Cant wait for the next round of remarks.
Have A GREAT DAY and dont ever let get ya down.  I know you wont!! 
Well said Jonathan, free speech, we are all entitled to it, but some people like to try and upset others, in fact they go out of their way to do it.  Keep up your posts, I will always read them and reply if I can help or have a comment to make, but I would never go out of my way to be rude like one particular person on this board.  Stand your ground, you are doing great!  Cheers from Janie. Janie,
 
Thank you for your support,  I just hope you dont become victim of the attacks.  I can tell already it wont sway your feelings and soon with all this positive in the air the negatives will either change or leave.  See PMA (positive mental attitude) will over come any negative if its done properly.  I have been told I'm showing my true colors and I must admit I take that as a huge compliment.  And between the post here and the PM's I'm getting I hope the negatives keep up the good work, because the positive responce from their negative action has been overwelling.
 
Thanks Again,
 
Jonathan
Jonathan, it sounds like you're a legend in your own mind.

It bothers me that you accuse people of not having an open mind just because they disagreed with your claims that this juice may help them.  The definition of an Open Mind is to consider new and different ideas and opinions.    This is just my opinion, based on my experience, but since being diagnosed with RA I have had to have an open mind.  Open mind about treatments, open mind about the limitations I may have, open mind about the possibility that my plans for the future have changed and open mind about adjusting to that change and deciding on a new path for my future.

 

You mentioned in your first post that you have arthritis in your knee from surgery, if that is incorrect and you have been diagnosed with RA and have had success in reducing your meds, pain and inflammation by taking this product, then I applaud you for bringing this to others with RA and letting them know of your success.   However, if you have not been diagnosed with RA, then I would ask that before you accuse people of not having an open mind that you research RA and maybe you’ll understand why people get frustrated about claims that your product can make a difference.    An open mind goes both ways.

[QUOTE=cdndream]WTF? 
You should be ashamed of yourselves.... You've hijacked a medical RA forum, (to which I am new) which I and MANY others NEED to gain insight and learning and meaningful knowledge, to mudsling and insult each other from behind your anonymous  computer screens.
Grow up.
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cdndream,
 
I could not agree with you more, my wife was reading these post and she didnt know wether to laugh or be upset about some of the things said here.  Icame here to help and because my ideas and thoughts are outside the box I have been attacked.  Please stick in there they wont be around long or they will have to change their tone if they are going to stay.  We dont have to agree or even like each other, but we dont need to show respect to our fellow humans.  Please excusse the few insults I have throwen out there I have tried to keep them to a minium, and havent come close to what has put throwen my way.
 
Stick with us it will get better!!!!
 
Jonathan
Jonathan2008-05-10 07:58:49Well Jon, at one point you insinuated we were all constipated because of all our medications, then you said that Monavie was "high in fiber."  When I asked you for the fiber content, I received no reply.  In fact, I can't seem to find nutrition information anywhere for this product.

And I don't remember seeing if you actually answered the questions about actually having Rheumatoid Arthritis (an autoimmune disease) vs osteoarthritis (wear-n-tear, injury-induced arthritis).

Jonathan wants his own insults to be politely excused, yet in almost every post he makes mention of "insults" thrown his way.   You seem to enjoy being the "victim".

CathyMN,
 
No I dont have RA, I have very bad Arthritis.  But its all from inflamation and swelling.  The joint pain the limited movement, and all I was asking is for people to look at other options not just what worked for me thats was just my story.  Yes I mentioned a product and as I said in the past shame on me, but I also do Bio Feedback and stretch everyday even when it hurt so bad I would get tears in my eyes.  I have had years of Physcial Therapy and might need some mental along the way, but I have had pain.  I understand RA and I know there is no easy or fast cure  I'm not saying my pain is worse or better everyone is diffrent, but if we open our minds there has to be other solutions.  I going to get killed by a few for saying this but human nature is to take the easy way out, and some of the med's thats the case.  My question to everyone is this if you stop taking the med's would you be better or worse?  I think the answer is worse, but please correct me if I'm wrong.  If thats the case the med's are not a cure the are a mask to help you get through the day, and I'm saying stop taking them but in the procces look for a cure or better way.  All of these meds have some side effects some of wich are not good long term.  So while your taking these needed med's belooking with an open mind to reduce the inflamation and swelling.
 
I thank you for your post and welcome many more.
 
 
Jonathan
[QUOTE=JasmineRain]Well Jon, at one point you insinuated we were all constipated because of all our medications, then you said that Monavie was "high in fiber."  When I asked you for the fiber content, I received no reply.  In fact, I can't seem to find nutrition information anywhere for this product.

And I don't remember seeing if you actually answered the questions about actually having Rheumatoid Arthritis (an autoimmune disease) vs osteoarthritis (wear-n-tear, injury-induced arthritis).
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JasmineRain,
 
I was asked by the forum to mention anything further about my other thread so I stopped if you like to email off this post I will gladly give you the information about the fiber content.  Yes I addressed the other question also "NO I DONT HAVE RA"!!! and never claimed to.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Jonathan
Please I'm not a victim here..  I sure hope I have not come off as one, but will leave that to your own thoughts.[QUOTE=Jonathan]I really dont like to talk about it very much, not the best time of my life.  To be very honest I try not to take anything unless im really really sick.  I just had a root canal no pain med's at all.[/QUOTE]
 
Really?  A root canal is serious pain for you?
 
In the first post you started at this site, when you were trashing our meds, I thought you were talking about ALL our meds, but you weren't, were you?  You were just trashing the pain meds.  Not everyone gets addicted to pain meds like you did.
 
By the way, I think you should research your target audience before you start trying to market your product.
 
 
kweenb2008-05-10 08:38:25I didnt say a root canal was serious pain but, the dentist was sure fast to write me a script for them.No, I think and this is just my opinion thats most med's are bad.  We as a socity even abuse antibiotics, and if we ever have a real serious problem they arent going to work.  Get sick go to the doc and get antibotics, thats what they do.  Do you any medical rep's, cause I do they give the doc's perks for writing scrips of thier med's.  And the doc's gladly post these med's on poster and brochures all over the office.  I'm almost as much anti doc today as anti med's.  Whats even worse is you have a penicl pusher from the insurance company telling your doctor how to treat you. Hmmmmm this to me makes a lot of sence. Jonathan2008-05-10 08:50:24Off to the batting cages before my son's baseball game later, so I will respond to the replys later.
 
Hope everyone has a great day!!
 
Jonathan
 I don't know how to the paste prior posts comments with the little box around them, so just copying/pasting -
 
Jonathan, you posted:
"I understand RA and I know there is no easy or fast cure" 
 
If you really do understood RA you would know that there isn't a cure, easy or fast for this disease.   Again, I ask that before you form opinions about people, you understand what they are going through.      
*huge sigh*
Anyways...
 
Hope you have fun at the batting cages! And I hope your kid's team wins again today.
[QUOTE=Jonathan]I didnt say a root canal was serious pain but, the dentist was sure fast to write me a script for them.[/QUOTE]
 
Hmmm.  It sounded to me like you were bragging that you withstood the root canal with no pain meds. 
 
 
Well baseball game is an hour away so I thought I would check back here.  I beleive there is a cure for everything even if hasent been found yet.  Thats just my personality.  I'm not part of the problem, I'm part of the solution.  It has to do with my PMA.I agree there's a cure out there for RA that hasn't been discovered yet.  I just doubt your magic juice is the solution.Nor did I ever said it was, in fact I havent even metioned that.  Everyone asked me to stop talking about it, but it keeps being brought up. [QUOTE=kweenb][QUOTE=Jonathan]I didnt say a root canal was serious pain but, the dentist was sure fast to write me a script for them.[/QUOTE] And my wife gave birth 100% natural except a dula which is a very expensive mid wife.  Not a thing and by the way and I will brag now my son is a straight A student a wonderful violinist and amazing athlete.  He is 9 and reads and a 10th grade reading level and hes only in 3rd grade.Oh!MY! the things I have been reading here.
I have one of the most open minds to try most anything to not be in pain.
Acupuncture , Vitamins that were 1 0 a month , all the supliments that
people have to offer. But I will not give up on trying something to help
besides pain killers and the other things I have to put into my body just
so I can be a preductive person , to just walk without pain .
Yes , Jonathan is giving me 2 free bottles of the monavie to try and see if that will
help with the inflamation/pain. I will be the guinie pig for monavie or anything else
that "might " work.
And of course I will post anything here that helps me in hopes that it might
help someone else.
A day without pain killers will be a wonderful day!! But of course a day without Ra
would be the best day ever!
[QUOTE=levlarry]
  
And for any member that will allow you to spam here for a free jar of juice, I can only imagine what they would do for twenty dollars.
 
LEV
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Maimi,
I cant wait to hear your results, unfortunely most people here will say you have been trick or hoaxed by me.  Also I posted a quote from Lev that I thought your husband would enjoy (not).  The only reason I mention you is the other people have asked to remain nameless and you have gone against the grain and said I'm gonna see what happens and post the honest results.  And if it dosent work I will leave the forum if thats whats asked of me, but when the results are in and it works, Im going to be around a long time.
[QUOTE=Jonathan]And my wife gave birth 100% natural except a dula which is a very expensive mid wife.  Not a thing and by the way and I will brag now my son is a straight A student a wonderful violinist and amazing athlete.  He is 9 and reads and a 10th grade reading level and hes only in 3rd grade.[/QUOTE]

Well I could read at a 5th grade level when I was 4.  By the time I was in 3rd grade, I was doing my sister's high school chemistry homework for her.  My mother bragged about my intellect as if I was a trophy... when in reality, I just wanted to be like every other kid.

My sons are absolutely perfectly normal and happy.  They have the rest of their lives to grow up.  For now, we just want them to be boys.

And doulas, at least in my area, are much cheaper than midwives.  We had a doula as well.
Oh trust me my kid is just like every other kid.  Plays ball thats his choice.  He got a B+ 2 report cards ago and we were proud of him he is disappoited in himself, cant change who he is.  He already knows what college he wants to go to, and what he wants to do.  I didnt tell him where to go or what to do thats him, but before anything he's a 9 year old little boy.[QUOTE=Jonathan][QUOTE=levlarry]
  
And for any member that will allow you to spam here for a free jar of juice, I can only imagine what they would do for twenty dollars.
 
LEV
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Maimi,
I cant wait to hear your results, unfortunely most people here will say you have been trick or hoaxed by me.  Also I posted a quote from Lev that I thought your husband would enjoy (not).  The only reason I mention you is the other people have asked to remain nameless and you have gone against the grain and said I'm gonna see what happens and post the honest results.  And if it dosent work I will leave the forum if thats whats asked of me, but when the results are in and it works, Im going to be around a long time.
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I actually think that levlarry's quote is funny!! I had a smile when I first read it
am smiling as I read it again!!
 

Off to our baseball game, so no more posts from me for the night.  To all you mother out there tommrow is your day enjoy it!!!  HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!!!!

Jonathan
[QUOTE=Jonathan] CathyMN,






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Jonathan,

In my opinion, you really don't have any idea what having RA is all about. I have had refractory RA for almost 9 years now. It has only been in the last six months that I have found the right combo of meds to treat my RA. I have damage...Major, bone on bone damage.

I don't think using meds is taking the easy way out at all. And to be honest with you, you can't possibly know what kind of pain I have. I have given birth to three children without any pain meds at all and that doesn't even come close to the kind of pain I have had from RA.


You make a lot of judgements about people who live with chronic pain and that have an illness that you don't have. I take Rituxan and I have had absolutely no significant side effects from it. The only med I ever had a problem with was Humira. I developed a very rare allergy to it. That is something that happens to less than one percent of people who use Humira.


I'm happy that you have found things that help you deal with your pain. But everyone is different and what works for one, may not work for another. I think it is arrogant and very judgemental to think that your way is the ONLY correct way.   Oh and as for side effects, have you ever read the side effects for aspirin? All meds have risks/benefits and most people that I know, take that into consideration.

I wish you well with your choices. What I don't understand is why you chose to criticise mine and other posters....That sure doesn't seem very open mindedLynn492008-05-10 16:19:05I want to know who is going to stroke MY ego???  [QUOTE=Phatgirl2]I want to know who is going to stroke MY ego???  [/QUOTE]  and you laugh so daintly heheheheeI think Phats color combination is pure genius.  A pleasure to look at, very soothing to the eye. [QUOTE=Linncn]I think Phats color combination is pure genius.  A pleasure to look at, very soothing to the eye.[/QUOTE]

While we're handing out compliments, I love your avatar.  It looks smashing on you.Who, me?  I was just admiring your sig line.  Poetry that stirs the soul.  Just lovely.We won our game last night which is awsome it means we move on in tournament which ends today.  The only problem is my poor wife its mothers day and she gets to spend it at the baseball feild form 10:00AM till probaly 5-6PM dependingon how we do.  I going to have do something real special to make up for this one, any suggestions. 
 
Jonathan
 
 
P.S. Shes not upset, but I feel bad.  For us it's all about our son.
Jonathan2008-05-12 06:03:38I also love the upbeat attitude, although sarcastic its a start.Ooooohhhhh
Thanks for the stroking!!!!!!!!!! Hey!! Way to go !!
What did you decide to do for you wife today?
Some thing nice I hope.
                                                   Thank you, and yes I got her a lilttle something from her favorit store in the whole world.  Also the teams win put a big smile on her face. Well although I'm anti doctor I'm going today so he can tell me why I have had such an improvemt in my knee.  After eveything being said here on my last 2 threads my wife so go and see what he says.  In the last sixty days or a little more now thers no pain, no inflamtion of my joints, no swell and most impotant I can move like I did before my issues.  I dont think hes going to have any answers but it worth a try.  I'm even willing to have an MRI and Thermography if he would like, to see what he can see.   I will tell him about the only change that I have had in the past 60 days I think thats only fair.  Look for to sharing his results with everyone.
 
I also need to let him know Im not wearing my brace and make sure although I feel good Im not doing damage.
 
Jonathan
[QUOTE=Jonathan]Well although I'm anti doctor I'm going today so he can tell me why I have had such an improvemt in my knee.  After eveything being said here on my last 2 threads my wife so go and see what he says.  In the last sixty days or a little more now thers no pain, no inflamtion of my joints, no swell and most impotant I can move like I did before my issues.  I dont think hes going to have any answers but it worth a try.  I'm even willing to have an MRI and Thermography if he would like, to see what he can see.   I will tell him about the only change that I have had in the past 60 days I think thats only fair.  Look for to sharing his results with everyone.
 
I also need to let him know Im not wearing my brace and make sure although I feel good Im not doing damage.
 
Jonathan
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As I thought the doc had no real answers, but said keep doing what Im doing it seems to be working.  He did tell me my range of motion is 17% better than my last visit and saw no signs of swelling or redness that was there in the past.  He also said to wear my sports brace only when I doing activites where I still need the support.  This is great newns because my walking brace is hot and bulky, even worse in the summer time in Florida.
That is good news from the Dr.
A friend of mine sent me an e-mail after I wrote about
the monavie and going to recieve some to try and she said
that she has been drinking the monavie for a couple of
months now and is seeing great results(she has Ra also).
She was in alot of pain before and loves the way she feels now.
I'm excited!!
 I cant wait till we hear your results. Jonathan2008-05-13 19:06:10I am excited to hear that someone is having luck with the product, and everyone is hearing it from someone from the forum and not a newbie, like myself.   I aslo hope that its ok I'm commenting about it like this.  And for once I'm not being smart or sarcastic.  I have had a few people reach out and ask me to let it go, and I am lets all start on a clean slate.  Please let me know if we can do that, I tihnk thats best for the forum.
 
Peace,
 
Jonathan  Me too Jonathan, it was unfortunate that you had to learn the hard way, but I think we are going to be glad to have you around in the future as you seem to be a very active, supportive and compassionate poster and you can deal with any nasty people very well too!

Good luck and welcome again, from Janie.  Everyone deserves a second chance.  Thats the Christian view and your attacker is always talking about being Christian, lets see if 'IT' forgives you.  That will be very interesting!  I really can't put up with people being nasty to others and the only reason I write what I do about this person is because he attacked me a while ago and  I will not just take that from anyone.   Janie.

Edited by me, for colour, thankyou!
janiefx2008-05-13 23:34:20Thanks for the second chance.  To error in life is human to admit it is rare.  I messed up when I started and took my lumps and bumps, but again really look forward to my second chance. 
 
Janie, as far as "IT" goes I dont want him to forgive me I think most people know his true colors and those that didnt are seeing them now.
Jonathan, you don't need his forgiveness, who does he think he is? Jonathan, I believe people make mistakes and deserve second chances.  However, I am wondering why you are choosing to stay in a forum intended for RA support when as far as I've read, you neither have RA nor care for someone in your family with RA.  Now I'm not saying every post in this forum is about RA, far from it, but I know most of us come here with the expectation of posting with people who understand our situation because they have either experienced it directly or take care of someone who does.
 
I am not attacking you, but I am asking you politely and in all seriousness, why do you continue to post here?  If you're waiting to see our members post their results, you can do so without posting.  If you want other members to be able to contact you, again, you can do so without posting.  If you just wanted to share your story, you already did.
 
I am not trying to be mean or exclusionary, I just come here to post with people who share my experience with RA (and related diseases).  If people who don't have these experiences are going to be regular posters, that will seriously change the community here for the worse, IMHO.
Bump.
 
Jonathan, care to comment on Innerglow's post?
 
I'm curious.
kweenb2008-05-14 15:31:03Good Question.

I tired to PM her, her messages are full.  I'm trying to cool this post off so I plan on responding through a PM.  I hope she will PM me and I will respond that way.

[QUOTE=InnerGlow] Jonathan, I believe people make mistakes and deserve second chances.  However, I am wondering why you are choosing to stay in a forum intended for RA support when as far as I've read, you neither have RA nor care for someone in your family with RA.  Now I'm not saying every post in this forum is about RA, far from it, but I know most of us come here with the expectation of posting with people who understand our situation because they have either experienced it directly or take care of someone who does.



[/QUOTE]

Innerglow. It is not 100% positive that every member on this board has RA. Jonathan has had problems with inflammation. He has found something that has helped him and now wants to share with us. When you bring your inflammation down, your symptoms may improve.

I would be curious of how many members here actually have joint and bone destruction? Anyone care to share?

If you don't, then lets open up the discussion to inflammation and ways we can bring it down. Jonathan, I have an EMPTY pm box, so perhaps you misspelled my name?  I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.  Besides, it seems several others are interested in your reply and I believe you should make it just as public as all your other answers.
 
lorster, as I said in my post "RA (and related diseases)".  If Jonathan seriously believes he has RA or a related condition, I would accept that.  But that does not appear to be the case.
lorster i do have severe erosive ra  whith joint erosions.. all my joints are ruined
arthritis of neck and secondarey arhritis of spine due to long standing severe ra.
both wrists near fused and osteoarthritis in them.. to prove may be another matter

i have a letter from my rheumatologist which states this and allso says
it was a miracle i worked so long.. but if i posted it you may say i typed it myself

Boney
I also have bone and joint destruction. I've had refractory RA for 8 years and the damage in some places is bone on bone....InnerGlow,
 
First of all thank you for writing me, and let me applogize again for the way I started in this forum.  The reason I'm writing here is I want the post to cool down so we can all move on.  You ask why I still post here, I have arthritis what kind I dont know I was never told,  I was at the doctor as I posted on Monday and all he is telling me is arthritis and scare tissue from my surgery.  I am not just here waiting for results, and have become active in other posts.  I have asked for a second chance and a clean slate, now its up to you if you except that or not, but I feel I have learned a lot here and hope a few have learned from me.  As I say I made mistaked in the beging and took my lumps and bumps and I'm ok taking a few more if you so choose.  I dont feel I should be asked not to post if I'm posting things that are relivant to this forum which I do.   So once again I offer my hand and oppertuinty for a clean slate the choice is yours.
 
Regards,
 
 
Jonathan
I tried to send this to you by PM again they say its full.
 
Jonathan
cdndream,
I asked for a clean slate and would love to move on its crazy already.  I have made peace with everyone other than Lev, I dont care if he insults me, but not my son.  I think everyone would agree I have said I'm sorry and lets start over, this guy keeps fueling the fire, and isulting the whole forum along the way.  If we all ignore him and dont respond to his posts it will work.  That includes me, I will agree if everyone else does to just ignore him.  No responce to any of his comments he truley dosent deserve it.  I'm the biggest problem and I will do my part.  Thank you for your insight.
Jonathan
Hi Jonathan, don't feel bad about the bad threads, 'IT" was fighting with someone all the time, before you came along, you are fresh meat for him!  Best of luck, Janie. Jonathan, first let me apologize because my PM box was, in fact, full.  I haven't gotten any new messages in awhile and I thought it was empty, but it was full of old messages.   It is now cleared.
 
If I missed the post (or the lines) where you said your doctor hasn't told you what kind of arthritis and is doing tests to determine what kind, then I apologize again.  All the posts I saw (which doesn't mean all you wrote) appeared to say there was a knee injury and likely osteoarthritis.  As you may have figured out during your "baptism by fire" on this board, osteoarthritis is very different from rheumatoid arthritis.  Not to say that it can't be painful and debilitating, but it is very different. 
 
If you want to continue to post relevant information as you pursue your diagnosis, that's fine by me.  However I would ask you to respect other people's experiences and choices of treatment options just as they should respect yours.

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