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I called the RD today because I've been having terrible trouble with brain fog and constant cold sores on my face, both of which are known side effects of MTX.  I was hoping he'd give me a bit more folic acid but he said I had enough and to cut back to .6 of the MTX from .8.  I told the nurse I'm just starting to feel benefit from this .8 dose and won't I start to backslide on the lower dose?  She said try it and we'll see what happens and I can discuss it at my next appointment.

 
I seem to remember some here who take Leucovorin AND folic acid.  How much do you take of each and what is your MTX dose?  Maybe because I'm not at the MTX limit yet, too much folic acid will nullify the benefits.  Maybe that's what he's thinking?  I'm really worried about losing the small increased benefit I've gotten so far.  Of course I'll do what he said, but I'd like to arm myself with some more information in case I decide to argue for more folic acid.
Jesse882008-05-27 10:19:11jesse88- I don't take leucovrin so I can't help you with your question but I'm wondering how much folic acid are you taking per day?
 
I am on 6 MTX per week and 1 MG folic acid per day. I have been having trouble with hair loss and I was going to ask my doctor to up my folic acid also- but I don't want him saying he's needs to cut back on my MTX either.
 
Who wants to backslide because their dose was decreased and talk about it at the next appointment!
hey wannabe ..yet another good reason to wear a hat...

Baldy Boney   The hat is OUT- I will wear a wig instead!hi jess if you are having side effects your doc may think it wiser
to reduce and see how you respond rather than stop the med..

i thought folic acid was given to stop sickness and  can allso help protect
the heart.. 

Boney   hey wannabe if we all pull a few strands of hair out
we could send you.. and you could make one....

experts debate folic-acid supplementation during methotrexate for RA



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Rome, Italy - Should folate be added routinely for all patients receiving methotrexate for rheumatoid arthritis (RA)? Response to this question of clinical practice is mixed, but many say yes. "Folic-acid supplementation in patients with RA receiving methotrexate appears to be safe, inexpensive, and easily administered," said Dr Louis Bridges (University of Alabama at Birmingham and www.jointandbone.org editorial board member). "It has been consistently shown to reduce side effects of methotrexate without adversely affecting efficacy and may have beneficial cardiovascular effects."

In a review article published in Rheumatology and previously reported by rheumawire, Drs SL Whittle and RA Hughes (Ashford and St Peters NHS Trust, Chertsey, Surrey, UK) advocated for folic-acid supplementation for all RA patients on methotrexate [1]. They write, "We recommend a pragmatic dosing schedule of 5 mg of oral folic acid given on the morning following the day of methotrexate administration."

But not everyone agrees with this approach. Responding to the article, Dr R Manna (Catholic University of the Sacred Heart, Rome, Italy) and colleagues write, "Although folate use reduces the rate of side effects of methotrexate treatment, the guidelines for folate supplementation should state that folate should be added only when its actual demand increases, such as during an infectious disease or during antibiotic therapy" [2]. The group's letter to the editor, published in the April 2005 issue of Rheumatology, notes, "Supplementation should not be given routinely because a normal diet can ensure an adequate amount of this vitamin and it can impair methotrexate therapeutic effects."


Conflicting opinions about the benefits of supplementation

Manna and colleagues point out that there are currently no guidelines available outlining doses and timing of use. They write, "In our opinion, low doses of methotrexate without concomitant folate administration are well tolerated for long periods in the absence of adverse events." The authors argue that folate supplementation should be administered only in circumstances leading to folate deficiency to prevent methotrexate adverse effects. They cite gastroduodenal atrophy as an appropriate example not previously described in the literature. "Prophylactic folate for all RA patients on methotrexate is not strictly required—except in the case of increased folate requirement."

Responding to the group's letter in an email interview, Bridges calls their conclusions "untenable." He explains that while the authors suggest that folic acid should be used only in situations where there is an increase in demand, such as during an infectious disease or during antibiotic therapy, it is difficult to definitively know when there will be increased demand. Bridges notes that since folic acid is inexpensive, safe, and easily administered, it makes sense to encourage its routine use.

He also questions the group's assertion that folic acid can impair methotrexate therapeutic effects. "No reference for this is provided, and I am not aware of any studies that support this conclusion."


Folic acid may prevent side effects other than elevated liver-function tests

"In contrast to this study," Bridges told rheumawire, "other studies have shown that folic acid may prevent side effects other than elevated liver-function tests [LFTs]. The conclusion that folic acid does not prevent any toxicity except elevated liver-function tests does not suggest to me that folic acid should not be routinely used. In my opinion, the prevention of abnormal LFTs by a safe, inexpensive medication is advisable."

Bridges adds that while the authors' assertion that a normal diet can provide adequate folate is true, there may be beneficial effects of folic supplementation. "For example, the effects of methotrexate on homocysteine can be prevented with the replacement of folic acid," he said.

Dr Graciela Alarcon (University of Alabama at Birmingham) says she agrees. "The vast majority of the population does not consume a diet that is sufficiently rich in folic acid. While this would be an effective means to receive folate, most people do not consume the necessary 400

Alarcon says her clinic routinely administers folic-acid supplementation during methotrexate treatment to prevent side effects. "Why wait?" she says, "When negative effects can be prevented." Alarcon echoes Bridges's argument that supplementation is inexpensive and easily administered.

Regional and national differences for this practice remain pronounced. While folate supplementation has become routine in the US since roughly the 1990s, this has widely not been the case in the UK and Europe.

Hmmm, it doesn't mention the side effects we are told we are taking the folic to prevent like mouth sores, hair loss, nausea- I didn't know it had cardiovascular benefits.
 
If everyone give me a few strands- WOW what a wig that will be!
Hi Jesse88, I'm on 15mg of oral MTX weekly, with 5 mg of Leucovorin to be taken once a week 8 hours after MTX dose and 2mg of folic acid/day for the remaining 6 days of the week.  I started at 1mg of folic acid/day and no leucovorin; the RD added it and upped the folic acid after I told her that the MTX was causing fatigue.  So far, it seems to be helping. Best wishes,
Andrea
I'm on 25mg MTX (10 pills), 1 mg. folic acid every day and 50 mg. Leucovorin 8-12 hours after MTX

This is very helpful.  Wanttobe, I was taking 1 mg. folic acid daily with 20 mg. of MTX (8 pills)but the RD switched me to Leucovorin instead (10 mg. once a week) because I was having severe brain fog.  Now that I'm on .8 injectible (which I understand is about the same as 20 mg. oral) my side effects are worse.  I guess this is because the body absorbs more MTX.

Former and Debrakay, you're on a lot more folic acid than I am and your RD thinks it's fine.  I'm wondering if the RD thinks I'm still taking the folic acid along with the Leucorvorin.  But I asked him specificaly, way back when, and he said stop the folic acid.  It seems there's room for more in my routine.  I'm not happy about this drop in the MTX dose at all.

Boney, thanks for the article.  I've skimmed it and will read it in more detail later on.  It looks very interesting.  I didn't know about cardiovascular benefits either.  I wish the doctors could all agree on at least one thing with regard to our therapies!!
 
hi jesse i am no longer on mtx and folic acid was whithdrawn..
now it makes me wonder why a low dose folic acid is not maintained
for cardiovascular  benefits..

Boney
Thank you for reminding me to take my Folic Acid. I would have forgotten if not for this post.Hi Jesse
Have you been on mtx for a long time?  The only reason I ask is that my RD feels it's best to wait until you're stable for a year before messing with dosages - but I asked if she'd let me try earlier, so I  tried dropping to 17.5 and then 15 mg over a two month period but it seemed to cause some add'l stiffness, so back up to 20 mg.   
I want to ask my RD about this Leucovorin- maybe it will help with hair loss?LOL, Milly, glad to be of service.  We must remember our folic acid!
 
Cathy, I've been on MTX for just over one year.  I'm just feeling the neuropathy ease with the .8 injectible and I'm really ticked that it's being dropped when I know others are on much higher folic acid doses.
 
Wanttobe, I started on folic acid but the RD upped it to Leucovorin so I believe it's supposed to be stronger than regular folic acid and therefore may very well help with your hair problems. Others have tried biotin capsules with success.  BTW, I have some red strands of hair I can contribute to our community wig. Not too many, fortunately, but a few.  A wig of many colors we will have!
 
I haven't found the biotin yet but Babs told me to look for  Vitamin B7 so I'll look in the grocery store tonight. Also have a hair appt. soon- will ask my stylist for suggestions.

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