Hemoglobin--Sort of Freaked Out | Arthritis Information

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The first time my bloodwork was taken post-MTX, my hemoglobin was 11.9.  But I had just started my period again...so I didn't make taking iron a priority, as I figured my period was the reason, and I'd be fine.  I got the scrip filled but didn't take it but a few times, as it got me constipated. The doctors last year kept thinking my fatigue was due to anemia, but the bloodwork always showed contrary (until MTX/periods again).
 
4 weeks post MTX: 11.9 (12 and above is normal). 
6 weeks post MTX : 11.5 (didn't find that out until today)
8 weeks post MTX: 10.8
 
The 10.8 came with a phone call, to ask whether I had started taking the new iron prescription they gave me last Friday (thank god I had).  I have another appointment next Wednesday.
 
I'm worried about this, and about being able to stay on MTX, especially since it hasn't done anything yet.  I do have a tendency to get anemic, I've just been pregnant/breastfeeding so long that my iron has been fine.  I'm worried about whether this means I'm at higher risk for getting lymphoma while on MTX, or if I should just chill and not worry.  I do feel better about having a doctor's appointment next week where I can ask lots of questions, but I'd love to hear any experiences with this. I wasn't even taking a multivitamin, so maybe I should've known better, and just need the supplement?

Sorry, hope all goes well for you.

Keep us posted!
 
Much hugs
it is not unusual for a female of child bearing years to have anemia and you aren't that far below normal.   Its always kind of weird to suddenly start seeing our blood work over a short period of time..since we never saw the pattern when we were "healthy" we really don't know what is normal for us individually.  add the iron supplement and make sure you are eating lots of dark leafy greens to add natural ironThanks! I wasn't really sure how bad that number is.  Just that the nurse sounded really freaked out!  But she also didn't tell me to skip my next MTX.
 
I'm glad no one has suggested liver.  I can do leafy green vegetables though, as long as there is some dressing involved.i thought about saying liver but thats going way too far for healthEwww! Liver is GROSS! And the smell of it cooking is horrific! Not to mention the TASTE!
 
Oh, now I feel sick. It's funny because usually I get really constipated with iron but with this new supplement I've had the opposite problem...I can't remember the name...it has B vitamins and folic acid in there too.
 
Peanut butter has iron? Weird!
I thought this article might help...anemia is very common in RA patients, not always due to iron deficiency and not necessarily a side effect of the meds.
 

Mild chronic anemia, impaired renal function common in RA

Janis Kelly
Information from Industry

November 15, 2005


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"Severe chronic anemia (hemoglobin <10 gm/dL) is rare (3.4%), but mild chronic anemia is common, occurring in 35.3% compared with rates of <10% in the general population," Dr Fred Wolfe (National Data Bank for Rheumatic Diseases, Wichita, KS) said.


Anemia in RA more prevalent than expected

Severe chronic anemia is rare, but mild chronic anemia is common, occurring in 35.3%, compared with rates of <10% in the general population.

In a study supported by Ortho Biotech Products, LP, Wolfe and coauthor Dr Kaleb Michaud (National Data Bank for Rheumatic Diseases) used data from the National Data Bank for Rheumatic Diseases to determine the prevalence, severity, and consequences of anemia in RA patients. This has some major clinical and economic implications. Anemia contributes to fatigue and other problems in RA patients, and makers of potent (and expensive) hematologic support agents such as recombinant epoetin alfa (Ortho's Procrit or Eprex, Amgen's Epogen) have been working steadily in recent years to gain acceptance for use of these agents at milder stages of anemia. Current treatment guidelines in many clinical areas, such as cancer, typically recommend epoetin support only when hemoglobin (Hb) levels drop below 10 mg/dL.

Wolfe analyzed more than 30¿000 Hb determinations from 2120 consecutive RA patients and 3843 patients with noninflammatory rheumatic disorders (NIRD). "Anemia occurred in 31.5% of RA patients and followed a U-shaped distribution that had minimal prevalence at approximately 60 years of age. The prevalence was 30.4% in men and 32.0% in women," Wolfe reported.

At clinically significant levels, the prevalence of severe anemia (Hb<10 gm/dL) was 3.4% and the prevalence of mild anemia (Hb<11 gm/dL) was 11.1% in RA patients.

After erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR), C-reactive protein (CRP) was the strongest predictor of anemia.

Wolfe also found that renal function is generally impaired in RA patients and that creatinine clearance is about 10 mm/hr lower in RA than in patients with noninflammatory rheumatic diseases.


Serum-transferrin-receptor test finds iron deficiency common in RA

The most important contributors to anemia in RA patients are iron-deficiency anemia (IDA) and anemia of chronic inflammation (ACI). Conventional tests such as iron, transferrin saturation, and ferritin are likely to underestimate the contribution of iron deficiency in RA patients, Ortho Biotech scientist Dr Mindy Yang reported. Using the newer serum-transferrin-receptor (sTfr) test, Yang found that iron deficiency was much more common than expected in RA patients with anemia, defined as Hb<11 gm/dL.

"Twenty-one of 24 (87.5%) of patients with ferritin of 30-100 ng/mL had an sTfr index of >1.5, consistent with iron deficiency," Yang said. "Surprisingly, 12 of 17 (70.6%) patients with ferritin >100 ng/mL also had an sTfr index of >1.5, suggesting functional iron deficiency in combination with ACI." Such patients are candidates for iron supplementation, and Yang found that four of eight patients who received oral or IV supplements had prompt improvements in sTfr index upon retesting.

"Testing with the sTfr index suggests that iron deficiency in RA is more common than previously reported and that even RA patients with ferritin consistent with ACI (>100 ng/mL) may also have functional iron deficiency," Yang said.

Alan2008-05-28 18:16:41My hemoglobin runs between 11 - 12 - always has been low, so not surprised.  When I was first diagnosed, I asked about vitamins I should take and my RD said a good multi-vitamin, but without iron.   I thought she said because there may be a link between iron and breast cancer?   I may have that totally wrong, so don't hold me to it - I'll have to ask my RD at my next visit, but that's what I thought the reason was. May be due to my age though (heading to 50) and doesn't matter for younger women.      Has anyone else heard that? Thanks for the article Alan!  That's the information I kept coming up with, too, although that is much more thorough! 
 
The reason I am skeptical that it is related to MTX, not RA, is because I was tested for anemia over and over recently, and only got anemic once I started MTX.  But, as I said, I also started my "cycle" back at the same time.  So it's hard to tell...
 
...Never heard about iron & breast cancer....
KatieG2008-05-28 19:05:02
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