would that joke still be "funny" if you substituted the word black for arab and white for marine?
bigotry is still bigotry even when its trying to disguise itself as a joke. the story was offensive but that is my opinion
My mil (also a blonde) would send me some of those jokes.
I guess having a sense of humor is also having an open mind.
[QUOTE=buckeye]would that joke still be "funny" if you substituted the word black for arab and white for marine?
Hey, guys, I'm sorry, but I agree with Buckeye. I just found it offensive. Blonde jokes are just jokes. Nobody believes them. The kind listed here, unfortunately, many people do. And that's sad.
you guess having a sense of humor means having an open mind. That is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read.
It does not take an open mind to think that a joke and I use that term loosely, that is based on horrible stereotypes, that has an underlying cruel tone to it and is basically bigotry in a story form to think this joke was not funny and was bigoted . Anybody with any sense of fairness would see that
You posted this so answer my question would you have posted this if the word arab was replaced by black and marine replaced by white
why are you sorry you agree with me?
Most or many of the blond jokes I have heard are recycled polish jokes. Or black jokes. I heard them before and after they were "about me" (I'm blond). I was never offended by them. My sons are both Marines and I was not offended by that joke. If you'd like, i'll give them a call and see if they find it offensive. But they won't, their skin isn't that thin.
Only when we can laugh at ourselves, will we be able to laugh together.
That goes for all cultures, races, sexes, ages. Humor should know no color, size, shape, or restraint.
Humor is as universal as smiling, and it's sad when we can't all laugh together. No matter how obscure the joke is.
But that's just my opinion.
Katie, I've missed you!
No, Buckeye - it's not that I don't agree with you and we know that's rare LOL just I was trying for helping them to see our point. Some humor is based in some funny twist. And some is not.
Katie, it should be that way but, unfortunately, it's not. Buckeye is right, if you switch the terms around, and it isn't funny anymore, than its the same result. I have a crazy cousin that keeps sending me stuff like that and I keep asking her to take me off her mailing list. She must be old (never met her) because she keeps forgetting.
Pip
I just got an email with another Irish/Catholic joke in it... from the president of our school board (he happens to be Mexican).
I won't post it here for fear of offending anyone, but it was funny.
"if you switch the terms around, and it isn't funny anymore, than its the same result"
By letting a simple change of words take the humor out, then you are only contributing to the "it should be that way, but unfortunately it's not"
And so is everyone else. I am willing to bet that if we had an arab member step forward, and say that was the funniest joke they'd ever heard.............no one would have criticized.
If you think I'm wrong, you're only fooling yourself. Stop and think about it for a minute. I'm not trying to start a fight, I just want people to think a little more.
[QUOTE=Pip!]Katie, I've missed you!
No, Buckeye - it's not that I don't agree with you and we know that's rare LOL just I was trying for helping them to see our point. Some humor is based in some funny twist. And some is not.
Pip
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I understand your point, I just think you're being hypersensitive. I really don't think that this joke will confirm in the minds of some that yes, radical Arab terrorists will, in fact, spit in your shoes. We all already know that their are some radical Arab terrorists and that their are Marines. That is confirmed in our minds. Are you saying that we should pretend we don't know that? Or do you think that this joke will make people think that ALL Arabs are shoe spitting terrorists or that ALL Marines will pee in your coke?
its not funny to stereotype anyone as a terrorist even in joke form.
As I have tried to explain that no one here would be supporting this joke if it was turned into a straight black/white racial joke. So this joke is supposedly funny simply because it found a group of people it was more acceptable to stereortype.
But I'm done arguing because most of you will never widen your tunnel vision...and that is really sad
This joke is shows the good guy (that's the Marine) beating the bad guy (the terrorist) in a non violent way.
Wow. Now all my hope is lost because the wonderful Buckeye has given up on making me just like her. Will I be stuck in this sad, sorry, dark, black, bleak tunnel forever? I should have just realized from the start (as we all should) that Buckeye holds the one right view and we all should just follow. Please don't give up on me Buckeye.
I hate to break some of your "marines are the best" bubbles, but the whole world does not necessarily view our marines as the good guy. Hate to say that as I'm the mom in law of a marine. Ask an Arab. They may have a different point of view about the marine. x
I knew someone was going to come back and say that. That's why I felt I should point out who the good guy is and who the bad guy is for some of you. Maybe if the joke would have said "Arab freedom fighter" it wouldn't have caused such a stir. But hate whoever you hate, the Marines and all our military are heroes in my book.
And BTW Lorster, I bet the Nazis didn't think we were the good guys either.
Linncn2008-05-29 06:21:51Linncn. Why is it always....the American view with some of you? There are many cultures in the USA. I don't hate the marine. The marine is not the good guy to everyone. The insurgents in Iraq are considered freedom fighters. Does that make them good? Does that make them bad? If someone were pounding through your neighborhood with a gun and didn't speak your language, how would you react? Invite them in for cookies and milk? Some of those people may have read the joke. Two wrongs don't make it right. Spitting in shoes and pissing in cokes is not right no matter who does it. We need to plow past these barriers that have been built over time between all groups in the world. We need to put 911 behind us and move on and get over it already. We tend to memorialize crap forever. I'm personally tired of it. By the way, I loved the joke. Linncn, do you and I agree on anything?[QUOTE=buckeye]
Maimi
you guess having a sense of humor means having an open mind. That is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read.
It does not take an open mind to think that a joke and I use that term loosely, that is based on horrible stereotypes, that has an underlying cruel tone to it and is basically bigotry in a story form to think this joke was not funny and was bigoted . Anybody with any sense of fairness would see that
You posted this so answer my question would you have posted this if the word arab was replaced by black and marine replaced by white
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Yes! I probley would have. When one of my black friends tell me a
black/white joke with the white guy not looking so good but the joke is
still funny I will laugh.
Or when someone tells me a blonde joke (I am blonde) and if it is
funny I will laugh,and if it is not all I will say is "well that was a dumb
joke" but I will still smile.
I have never beat someone up because I did not like the joke.
A joke is a joke and that is all it is.
Any body can tell me any kind of joke because I have an open mind
not to take offence to it.
Carlos Mencia is one of my all-time favorite comics. His whole routine is based on poking fun at stereotypes of ALL of us - black, white, brown, yellow, rich, poor, and any combination therein.
[QUOTE=buckeye] its not funny to stereotype anyone as a terrorist even in joke form.
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You are one of the members here who has tunnel vision with your inability to see it as a joke, only as an insult to a certain group of people.
Lorster, their are obviously a lot of things we don't agree on, but when we're just talking I always like you. I really thought that we had a predominently friendly message board relationship. But the other day I saw a post you wrote that said you had to work hard to be civil to people who don't agee with you. I wondered if it's hard work for you when we pm about the grandkids or whatever. So. I don't know.
I thought i would phone an ex work collegue who is Arab, well not surprisingly she and her husband thought the joke was hilarious, obviously they arent terrorists but being of Arab nationality i thought I would get their take on the joke..... [QUOTE=Linncn]
Lorster, their are obviously a lot of things we don't agree on, but when we're just talking I always like you. I really thought that we had a predominently friendly message board relationship. But the other day I saw a post you wrote that said you had to work hard to be civil to people who don't agee with you. I wondered if it's hard work for you when we pm about the grandkids or whatever. So. I don't know.
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Linncn, can you please post that, I want to read it.I love the comedians who can joke about any group and be ok with it. At some point, we need to lighten up. We got a letter not too long ago from a patients family member who complained that she was offended to go up to the nurses station and hear everyone laughing and joking. Her family member was dying and she felt that the mood of the floor should have correlated to the mood in that patients room. If that is the way I had to act all day, I couldn't be a nurse. We don't laugh because people are suffering and dying. We laugh to help get us past that so that we can continue the job. Buckeye said "
its not funny to stereotype anyone as a terrorist even in joke form."
No where in the joke did it state that the arab was a terrorist. That is something that your narrow mind drew on it's own. Jokes like that one work because it's a classic "it's widely known that ___ group doesn't always get along with ___ group"
Insert whatever you'd like in the blanks. The joke will work every time. And until people learn to relax, you will ALWAYS offend one of those blanks, and even someone who's NOT one of those blanks.
Facts of Life.
Ok, I got the coke and the shoe part, but who was sick with RA....was it the Arab or the Marine ??
Just kidding...........
Katie
the first words of that story were " Two radical Arab terrorists" so when you learn to read maybe you can get away with calling someone narrow minded.
A sense of humor does not have to rely on racially insensitive so called jokes and it is not narrow minded to be offended at the joke and frankly appalled that so many find it humorous.
Make the first words of that joke " 2 black gang members" and holy hell would have been raised
The beginning of the joke:
"Two Radical Arab Terrorists boarded a flight out of London . . . "
Couldn't this joke be just as "funny" if the word "Arab" had been omitted? There are terrorists acts throughout the world perpetrated by different groups. The problem I see is to ascribe the acts of some to an entire culture, the consequences can be trivial, as in the case of Rachel Rays dunkin donut ad being dropped because of a boycott campaign started by Fox commentator Malkin complaining about Rays "Arab-looking" scarf, or not so trivial, as the case of a turban wearing gas station owner Sikh, murdered by someone who thought he was an Arab.
We all enjoy a good laugh, but sometimes we need to be a little more sensitive as to why we are laughing. Just my thoughts and opinion.
Have a good day everyone.
I apologize. I should have gone back and re-read it since it's been a while since I read the start of this thread.
In my memory, it didn't say that. Love my fibro brain!
I still stand by the idea that even if it had only said "2 arabs" or "2 blacks" or "2 jews" You (and many others) would still have their panties in a twist.
And anyway, if they really WERE terrorists........why are you "defending" them? Would it matter if they were arab? What if the joke had just said "two terrorists" ?
Again, it's just nice to make people think and talk about it.
What I want to know is how those two Arab terrorists got on that plane in the first place?
[QUOTE=lorster]What I want to know is how those two Arab terrorists got on that plane in the first place?[/QUOTE]
To have lunch with the Rabbi and the Irish Catholic priest and the blonde, silly.I absolutely would have been appalled whoever was being stereotyped. Its sad that so many thinks this joke is funny simply because the butt of the joke is Arabs when they would have been upset if another ethnic group was so protrayed
and I'm not defending terrorism. Terrorists don't wear signs so the joke assumes that simply because the men were Arabs the marine "knew" they were terrorists and had to react. Jokes like this play on peoples pre conceived notions of a group of people right or wrong. Personally I think it is in poor taste to make jokes at the expense of others
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[QUOTE=buckeye]Personally I think it is in poor taste to make jokes at the expense of others[/QUOTE]
By doing so, you severely limit yourself on humor.
You HAVE to learn to laugh at yourself. (Which leads to being able to laugh at others without offense) And that goes for everyone.
I'd love to hear a joke that YOU think is funny. Just so I have an idea. I'm trying to think of one that wouldn't offend you, but I'm at a loss.
Laughter can be a form of pain control buckeye. [QUOTE=JasmineRain]
[QUOTE=lorster]What I want to know is how those two Arab terrorists got on that plane in the first place?[/QUOTE]To have lunch with the Rabbi and the Irish Catholic priest and the blonde, silly.[/QUOTE]
LOL Jasmine.
It's a JOKE. Some of you think WAY too much. I hope you don't watch comedy central. You would be writing them letters all day long. yes humor is a form of pain control. I never said it wasn't
Katie there is a difference between laughing with people and laughing at people. Jokes that sterotype a group of people in ugly manners aren't funny and aren't laughing with people. I suspect, despite pin cushin's friend, that if you took this joke to an Arab neighborhood the joke would be considered less than funny there
Also why is this joke acceptable with the word arab if it would not be funny if it said black. why is it acceptable to call or assume an arab is a terrorist
Lorster, are you saying you never said that? I mean, I could've sworn you did but I'll just take your word because I have no idea where it is. Maybe I mixed you up with someome else.Lin it wasn't your imagination she said that
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Jasmine. I just do not think the conversation needed to go in that direction. I have worked very hard to be civil to some of you who I don't always agree with. |
Thanks BuckeyeI was talking about my own behavior Linncn.
[QUOTE=buckeye] I suspect, despite pin cushin's friend, that if you took this joke to an Arab neighborhood the joke would be considered less than funny there
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I hope you don't watch comedy central. You would be writing them letters all day long. I personly thought it was funny no matter what race, sex, origin whatever. I don't care how you mix it up someone one uping someone else for doing them wrong is funny. Does it make it right, no but still funny. I am sure they have the exact same joke over there with the rolls reversed.
Our country is getting so PC (politically correct not Personal computer) that we cannot do what is right anymore which is laugh and make people do what they are supposed to, because we may offend them. The constitution that the Marines defend offers no such protection from being offended. If you are offended by what you see, look away. If you are offended by what you hear, move away. I did not want to be offended watching the beheadings of our citizens and soldiers so I did not watch the clips.
God Bless the soldiers for defending the rights of all the US citizens even those that don't appreciate them.
Prix. I can think of very few people who don't appreciate our soldiers. They go way above and beyond the call of duty and they are definitely overextended at this time. Sorry people, but I loved the joke.
A little girl asked her mother, "How did the human race appear?"
The mother answered, "God made Adam and Eve and they had children, and so was all mankind made."
Two days later, the girl asked her father the same question.
The father answered, "Many years ago there were monkeys, from which the human race evolved."
The confused girl returned to her mother and said, "Mom, how is it possible that you told me the human race was created by God, and Dad said they developed from monkeys?"
The mother answered, "Well, dear, it is very simple. I told you about my side of the family, and your father told you about his
Love the New Joke!!Buckeye, change your ID to buzzkill or lighten up. It's a JOKE!guess what Hessalina...its a BAD joke and I am entitiled to my opinion so call me Buzzkill all you want...I don't want to share a sense of humor with people who thought it was funnyI also thought it was funny. People are getting WAY too serious these days and it takes the fun out of life. PC should be tagged BS. You have to be able to make fun of yourself, life and all it's quirkiness. Lighten up folks!
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