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I have had the prescription for 3 new meds since last Thursday after being DX'd positively as having RA. I just dont think I can bring myself to start them until I have explored other avenues. Your advice and input here would be greatly appreciated.

 
I realise this is most likely foolhardy and nothing is going to help other than the drugs but I feel I owe it too my body ( and I know it doesn't give a damn right now since it is attacking itself!! lolol) to search out something else, maybe a heap of alternatives all at once.
So my question is, if you were to do that, what would you choose as your natural therapies?
 
Currently I am on 10 mg prednisone daily and I am pain free except for my wrists which seem to always be tender and my fingers that swell and get sore on occasion. Otherwise I feel great! I know I cannot stop the pred all at once and it needs to be under the Docs supervision and he has said he will begin to wean me off after 3 months on the Salozopyrin, Tenoxicam (I think Tilcotil in the USA) and Hydroxychloroquine.
 
If I am sounding like a broken record its because I am scared of this whole scenario and I have always been loathe to take any medication. Yell at me if ya like!! I will take on board any advice you can give me then weigh it up carefully.
 
Cheers.....Lyn
well... since it sounds like your RA is not that active, like some on here, maybe natural therapy might work for you.
 
With that being said... meds are probably your best option. There is some thing to if you begin meds within the first year of having RA that you could go into a drug induced remission, which is always nice! Plus, the added bonus of having the RA doing damage to your joints is greatly decreased with takes meds too.
 
There is also, AP Therapy. That is taking antibiotics.
 
Well... someone else will be along shortly and give you some more ideas.
 
Welcome to the board! Hope to see you around!
As Joonie said... there's AP therapy.... and other things to do... and someone will come to tell you about it...
Good luck!!
Thanks for your replies!
 Joonie...I couldn't walk to the bathroom at night 6 weeks ago, or comb my hair in the mornings so Ive come a long way on the pred. Had RA in my shoulders/knees/feet/hands/wrists and jaw.
I didn't realise there is a better chance for remission by doing the meds. So already Ive learnt something else. Thanks for that too."I didn't realise there is a better chance for remission by doing the meds. So already Ive learnt something else."


LyndeeNZ

http://www.arthritis.org/remission-is-possible.php

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071109204221.htm



Half of patients with early rheumatoid arthritis treated with a combination of etanercept and methotrexate achieved disease remission within 1 year in the first major trial to use remission as the primary end point, Dr. Paul Emery reported in a late-breaking abstract session at the annual meeting of the American College of Rheumatology.

“We have been talking about remission for a long time,” said Dr. Emery, who wrote a viewpoint piece more than a decade ago entitled “Early rheumatoid arthritis: Time to aim for remission?” (Ann. Rheum. Dis. 1995;54:944–7).

“I think we now can say this is a realistic goal,” said Dr. Emery, professor of rheumatology at the University of Leeds (England).

The trial, known as COMET (Combination of Methotrexate and Etanercept in Active Early Rheumatoid Arthritis), compared the clinical efficacy and safety of etanercept plus methotrexate with methotrexate alone in a randomized, double-blind study that included 542 adult patients from 22 countries.

Trial participants had active disease as determined by a Disease Activity Score-28 (DAS28) of 3.2 or greater, and elevations either of erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR) to 28 mm/hr or higher or of C-reactive protein to 20 mg/L or more.

All patients were methotrexate naive and had a disease duration of 2 years or less.

Baseline demographics and disease characteristics were similar in the etanercept plus methotrexate and methotrexate-alone groups.

Mean age was 51 years, and median disease duration was 7 months in both groups. Mean baseline DAS28 was 6.5, so the DAS28 was high despite the short disease duration, according to Dr. Emery.

About half had received corticosteroids, and 22% had previously been treated with a disease-modifying antirheumatic drug other than methotrexate.

The primary end point of remission (which was defined as a DAS28 less than 2.6) was achieved by 50% of patients on combination therapy by week 52, compared with 28% of patients receiving methotrexate alone. This represented a statistically significant difference, and “a considerable achievement,” Dr. Emery said.

Low disease activity (defined as a DAS28 of 3.2 or less) was achieved by week 52 in 64% of the patients in the combination group and and 41% of the patients in the methotrexate group, which also was a statistically significant difference.

Moreover, it was “quite remarkable” how quickly remission was achieved, with significant differences being seen at 2 weeks, he said. By weeks 16–20, 40% of patients in the combination group were in remission, he said. “This is a new standard of speed for achieving remission,” Dr. Emory noted.

Responses on the American College of Rheumatology (ACR) scales were evaluated as secondary end points. “It's traditional with most biologics to expect ACR 20, 50, and 70 responses of 60%, 40%, and 20%, but with the combination we saw response rates of 86%, 71%, and 48%, which are very high rates indeed,” Dr. Emery said during his presentation.

These levels of ACR response were seen in 67%, 49%, and 28% of the methotrexate group, respectively.

Levels of C-reactive protein improved dramatically by week 2 and stabilized by week 16. By week 52, 55% of patients had normal Health Assessment Questionnaire (HAQ) scores, meaning that they had normal functional status. There also was a two-thirds reduction in workdays lost, which is important from a cost point of view, Dr. Emery said.

Serious adverse events were reported by 12% of patients in the combination group and by 13% of patients in the methotrexate group, he said.
Lynn492008-06-02 04:35:33Hi Lyn
I also hated the idea of taking meds - especially since before RA, I had no need for anything and hated even taking aspirin.   But, the reality is that for most people, you need to be on meds (sometimes combo-therapy)  to stop the progression.   There is quite a bit of research saying it's most important in the first two years and you need to be agressive in your treatment.   So, I decided to get over my fear and I am glad that I did.    If you still have stiffness in your wrist and fingers, you're not under control and your RA is still active.     Ask questions about the treatment options, research the different medications, talk to your doctor and make an informed decision.  
 
Take care
Cathy
Here is more information about how important early treatment is..

http://www.arthritis.org/early-arthritis-treatment.php

We all want to pretend that we don't have this horrible disease, avoiding the medications is one way to pretend. Though your brother means well, ask him if they treat all 100 different arthritis's with the same treatment plan. If he does that means he is not informed about the disease.BE MORE AFRAID OF THE DISEASE THAN THE MEDICATIONS.   Fear and denial will cause damage from Ra that can't be healed.  Once the damage is done there's no turning back.  You can have joints replaced but why go such extremes if you don't have to.
 
I know because I played around with a host of non traditional meds and treatments for many years until damage was done.  It's taken me 10 years to achieve clinical remission.  I too was on Pred. and all it does is mask the symptoms.  The damage keeps occuring. 
 
You're in the early stages of RA and remission is very likely for you, so don't let this chance pass you by because of fear.  Take care.  Lindy
I think you're only hope of a true, drug free remission is on AP.  Info about it can be found on www.roadback.org.  I can also answer a lot of questions about it - but only later.  My hubby is starting AP today for DDD and possible OA so we are going to see my AP doc and I'm on the road all day.  He doesn't drive in LA - not agressive enough.  LOL 
 
Anyway, the time to experiment is in the beginning IMHO.  AP will still work later if everything else fails, but the longer we go before starting, the harder the road back to health.
 
Also, if you want to do natural together with or without AP - send me an email address via PM and I'll hook you up with a NZealander doing it all naturally.  She is amazing and is constantly learning.
 
Hugs,
 
Pip
You don't have to do them.  I don't want to do them either.  Check out www.roadback.org
 
Jan
Pip...your message box is full.Sorry Lyndee - fixed now.
 
Pip
Thanks Pip! 
 
OK. I took the prescription to the Pharmacy today and asked to speak to the Pharmacist. Poor bugga...I tied him up for 1/2 hr with all my questions and requests for ALL info to be provided with each Med. It is a sad fact that in this country now, we no longer get information leaflets with any medication dispensed. When I collected my Pred there was no info whatsoever. Thank God I am PC literate but imagine how it is for those without/not interested!! Shocking stuff. Ok, so the Rheumy gave me a wee bit of info but thats not good enough and as much as he is a lovely man, he sure as sh*te is gonna be hearing from me next time around! Especially since I pay private. Yessiree.
 
So, my meds will be all done up in wee packets on a reel of some sort for me to start Thursday morning if I choose to.
 
Enjoying reading all the rich info here...thanks peeps!!
 
Cheers...... Lyn
So I am replying to myself...right now be glad I can still spell given the amount of wine I have had!! lolol  ( where is the burping smiley here huh?)
 
Thursday is the day. Or morning to be precise. I will start the chemical route. I wish it could sound as romantic as the Silk Route but I think thats a veeeeery long shot.
So its the drug route and I have taken onboard the advice that by early intervention this could knock my RA in the guts enough to maybe get me to remission.
 
Called in to see an elderly aunt stricken by emphysema today. On hearing of my diagnosis she hauled out an ancient tome and began to tell me what I should and should not eat, drink, how to fast, etc. Much of this 50 yr old info is very pertinent today IMO.
I will also begin another thread  ( re how we create our own illness's) that may not be welcomed by all, but Im a challenger if nothing else.  A wee bit bruised right now tho; lololol.
 
Cheers....Lyn

Good luck Lyn.  We all understand how reluctant you are to start those meds, whether it be RA drugs, or even AP.  The bottom line is which is the worse of the two evils, the disease or the meds?  If your diagnosis is certain, then meds are the way to go.  Just look at others who didn't have access to the current drugs and see the horror they now endure.  Yeah, these drugs are the pits, but the alternative is worse. 

Thanks Jesse,.....but can you enlighten me to your statement about ' if your diagnosis is uncertain'? I ask only because I am still a real greeny about this whjole bloody deal!
 
My Rheumy said I have RA . I am bewildered by these past two months I can tell ya!! Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I have had probs with my shoulders this last year or so,
so if it is NOT RA, what else could it possibly be given his examinations/my symptoms/Rh factor tests/ETC ETC ETC.
 If someone can tell me I was bitten by some exotic bloody Asian mosquito and a weeks dose of whatever will cure it then Id be a very very happy gal. I told the Doc same thing!! Alas....no pesky insect or exotic disease to be seen. So what becomes the logical (or not)
conclusion? I still think that maybe a 2 week fast may help. So now Im wavering again...lololololol.
 
So, now I may leave meds until pred is reduced then do the natural stuff. Whats 3 months
gonna do?  
 
Cheers....Lyn
3 months now for natural stuff.   Lets see there's one other little treatment I'd like to try and maybe I'll do that for 3 months.  Oh yes, my friend's sister has RA and she was cured by (fill in the blank) and I'm going to try that for 3 months.  Now we're 9 months more into the disease without medical treatment.  Get the picture.  Been there, done that and for me it was a disaster.  It may or may not be a disaster for you.  I can only speak from experience. 
 
I don't think Jesse meant to question your diagnosis.  I think it was just the way the sentence was worded.  You have to read posts for their info content and not the way they're written, nor read into them.  We all have different styles of writing and sometimes the threads aren't clear.  Sometimes, I go back and read mine and go "huh", what was I trying to say. 
 
I'm also an eccentric old hippy but one that takes her meds and I'm in clinical remission thanks to dmards and biologics.  At our age it's quality of life, not quanity.  At least that's my version of it.
 
LinB...I realised Jesse wasnt questioning my diagnosis, it was just that I was confused as I took what the Rheumy told me as being fact. I have RA according to him. So are there other conditions that mimic RA that I need to find out about? I would LOVE to find out that I have a virus thats gonna bugga off in a week or two. Not holding my breath tho' !!
Jesse....your logic makes sense to me!! Im off to collect the meds and have them sitting on the kitchen bench awhile. lolol And yes, the alternatives to NOT taking them sound horrific.
I really have nothing wrong with me after reading Cordelia's plight. Terrible place to be.
 
Hope all of you are keeping well
 
Cheers....Lyn
When I first started using plaquenil, it made me a bit dizzy for the first couple of days, and I had minor nausea off and on for a few weeks.  I take it in the evening, so that just in case it is still causing dizziness and nausea at least it happens when I'm asleep and don't know about it. Vatican RoulettePlease remember, you feel good on drugs, but once you get off them, you could be worse than before.  Many bodies do a jolt and get worse.
 
It seems almost every time i stop prednisone, i get a new RA spot.  I didn't see a new one this last time, but toes started before etc.
 
If you have a really bad case like many of us do, the drugs are important.  Without prednisone, i get inflammatory of the heart and lungs and it is so very scarry that i could never explain fully how it makes me feel.
 
i tried to get off it before because i felt good, only to find out i was stuck in bed again without it.  I never thought such a small amount of 10mg pred could be the oposite of what i was without it.
 
My point today is just to be very very very careful.  never get off a drug without the knowledge of your rhummy, in case you need back on immediately and need the refill called in, also for any side effects while getting off.  Discuss how bad it is too, you may think you are better than you really are.
 
Nobody wants to be on any of these meds, I have just decided to live with the drugs I get.  Worry about the side effects if they happen and not right now.  My doctors take the blood tests and keep track for me, so i can live my days without worry until that moment.
 
I wish you well and pray for all of us here.  This is a horrible disease that effects us all in different ways and makes other diseases come out which makes everything even worse.
 
I hope for the best for everyone and a one day soon a cure.
 
God bless.

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