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Read the story and be sure to watch both videos: This is the real deal. This is the real person with-out a telepromter, good luck with that.

P.S. I meant no disrespect to your candidate, I am disabled myself, I was trying to stretch the analogy and get some viewers for my post.

Okay, thats it, back to Obama's blundering.

Joie2008-06-09 20:16:16*lorster2008-06-26 07:58:35It's bad when the Pastor is racist. [QUOTE=Linncn]It's bad when the Pastor is racist.[/QUOTE]

No doubt. [QUOTE=lorster]It is bad when anyone is racist.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more. [QUOTE=lorster]
Oh, he did inhale. And he was honest about it....He is not ashamed of his past.
Mab, I do have a question for you? He is a creep because he went to church for 20 years? Is this bad?[/QUOTE]
I was referring to the fact that he didn't 'inhale' the racist fuming in his church. I don't buy it. 20 years of that even if it only happened once in awhile. It wasn't until Father 'Snuffy' Pfleger did it again from the same pulpit via YouTube before Obama finalized his resignation. Still no word about Obama cutting his ties with the Nation of Islam people. Sitting in a church for 20 years doesn't make a sinner into a saint anymore than would make my Schwinn bicycle sitting in the garage into a BMW sports car.
Sorry I participated in any racist discussion and offended even one person.lorster2008-06-26 07:59:55.

lorster2008-06-26 08:00:32Wright has been spouting that stuff for years. Oprah left the church long ago. .lorster2008-06-26 08:01:01The differencr between Mccain's and Obama's church thing is that mcCain was endorsed by controversial ministers yet had never attended their churches. Obama was an actve member of that congregation for 20 yearsVery sad how the media is controlling this election. McCain farts and you can be sure the media is criticizing him up and down. However, Obama goes to a church with a racist pastor for 20 years and somehow it's dismissed very quickly and the media accepts that Obama wasn't aware of it. Well Obama, if you can't even notice that your pastor is racist, how the heck are you going to be in control of a country?? I'm very afraid he will win because of the media and I'm quite afraid for our country.

never mind.....thought I was on a different thread. he he he....I'm slow today

Linncn2008-06-10 09:26:01Obama chose that church because of the profound community service they did. If you are not suspicious of our govt. intentions, then you are not a patriot, you are just naive. [QUOTE=roxy]Obama chose that church because of the profound community service they did. [/QUOTE]

Speaking as someone who has lived within 40 miles of Chicago all her life, there are plenty of churches in Chicago that do a whole helluva lot of community service WITHOUT the bigotry.

PS Check out the source Lev Larry chose to post. Is this unbiased news? I did not find the speech blunders at all shocking. He has been sleeping 3-4 hours a night. At least he knows the difference between the Shiites and the Sunnis.New Hillary supporter website www.justsaynodeal.com

Jan

I just saw a clip of Obama at the pulpit of a black church. He was speaking about the problem of fathers abandoning their families in the black community. An excellent message which was well received by the congregation. What I found so amusing is that he suddenly sounded so "black" in his speech pattern/accent. Not at all like his usual style. Has he been taking lessons from Hillary?

Hillary is going to do free advertising of my website? roflmao

McCain vs. Obama, this November should be interesting.

I just checked Snopes out, about Trinity Church..it had a paragraph by Martin E. Marty, Unniversity of Chicago Divinity School, who as, a non/black attends Sunday services sometimes...
8 thousand people in that congregation?, seems to me they do more out reach than Holy Name Cathedral. which is what 5 or 7 miles away??..And I'm Catholic

40 miles from Chicago, can be night and day.....the North Shore, or Naperville, or Dupage County are a world away from the south side of ChicagoMaybe they do, but since their outreach is laced with bigotry as we've heard with our own ears, what's so great about that?Justsaynoemore-

What is your website?

Jan

[QUOTE=lorster]It is bad when anyone is racist.[/QUOTE]

So about 85 to 90 % of black voters are voting for Obabma,,,,,,,Now thats racist. Also many white liberals since they want to right a wrong from past racism. Sad

The reasons I am voting for Obama have nothing to do with his race. I am voting for the man - not the BLACK man. Other black men have run for President, and I would not have supported them. But their race has nothing to do with my choice.

Racism exists, and we all should work to eliminate it. It exists in the white community and it exists in the black community and all the others in between. It is deeply rooted, and especially predominant in the older generations of our country. Do I believe Rev. Wright is a racist? Absolutely. Do I believe Obama is a racist simply because he was close to the Rev. and attended his church - No.

In my own family, and in my group of friends, there are people I love and adore and know to be good people who are flat-out racist. It comes from their background, from how they were raised, from the times they grew up in. My own mother is a racist. Should I distance myself from her, shun her and her contemporaries, publicly humiliate her, stop admiring her for the wonderful qualities she has that I do wish to emulate? I'm sure there are those who would say yes, but I don't think that is the way to bring about change.

My family is from West Virginia. Have you seen some of the polling interviews done after the democratic primary in West Virginia? Many of the individuals stated they didn't vote for Obama just because he is black. It is so hard for me to watch, it is sad to see how deeply rooted the racisim is in that region of the country. I understand it, how they came to feel the way they do, but that does not mean I feel the same way, or endorse how they feel. I am very opposed to their view of the world, but they are part of my life, my community, my world. All I can do is live my life in a way that I am proud of, without prejudice and without hatred of those who are different than I, teach my children these lessons, and work for change. I believe that is what Obama is doing as well, and I understand and admire him for it.

Good for you Hillhonery.I guess your not " Typical White Folk " as Obama would say

We all need to look at our actions and feelings, and see if we are saying or doing things that are insensitive or born from prejudice that we aren't even aware exists. And as my Daddy always used to say, when we point a finger at someone, there are three more pointing back at us.

Karen, I agree that everyone has flaws and everyone is guilty of something and that shouldn't cancel out their positive qualities, usually. I mean, we wouldn't say, "sure he's a child molester, but he's really friendly so we'll ignore the pedophilia".

I also think their is a huge difference between your mom who you didn't choose and your pastor, who you do choose. Your pastor is supposed to be representing God and teaching Biblical values. When you choose someone who espouses racism from the puplit to not only be teaching you, but also teaching your children, to me that's really bad and says a LOT about who you are and what you believe. I guess to Obama, racism isn't really that bad. That's highly offensive to me. My mom has been known to throw out a racist remark from time to time. Not about black people, but that's not the point. I understand how she got to feeling the way she does, though I still think it's wrong. Years ago she made some statement about this one ethnic group and "how they are" in front of my kids. I pulled her aside, told her that that's not how I'm raising my kids and told her she was going to have to keep those feeling to herself around them. I didn't have to throw in the "or else" because she agreed and it hasn't come up again. I didn't need a camera on me and the whole nation watching to do the right thing because to me, that is the right thing. If saying no to racism were the right thing to Obama, he would have acted on it, say 19.5 years ago.

Well said, Link. .lorster2008-06-26 08:02:11

I'm trying to understand what the orginating thought and fear is, delving into and trying to decide we know what someone's secret feelings are about racism, and being certain that they believe differently than they say they do-- because it is a topic unique to Obama. Never before has this been an issue in a political campaign. Is the fear that he is secretly a "white hater" and is part of a great "Black Wing Conspiracy" to take over the government? The man has a white mother, and half of his family are white. The family that he was closest to growing up. I just don't understand the reasoning.

A persons belief's dictate how they make decisions. If you believe one race is superior, or one race needs to "stick it to the man" that will affect your ability to lead in a just and balanced way. If a picture is worth a thousand words, picture Obama sitting there in his Sunday suit, listening to Jeremy Wright teach hate from his pulpit. And picture Obama doing nothing. He isn't getting up and taking his kids from the Sunday school class and leaving that behind them. He's doing nothing. Then he shakes the Pastor's hand and he leaves church, maybe telling him what a great sermon it was. And he continues fro 20 YEARS to do nothing until he wants your vote. It is far beyond my understanding that that's ok with you. Or with anyone.

Lorster, when you consider that even though the specifics may differ, that everyone is guilty before God, it isn't hard to understand "hate the sin, love the sinner". I'm not saying it's easy to carry it out perfectly all the time, but when you don't it's another thing that you're guilty of. If God, who's perfect, can love imperfect mankind, then how can we (being imperfect ourselves) not do the same? But that doesn't mean it's a free for all. Any mom can relate to loving her kids even when they do things that disappoint, that are wrong. The love doesn't stop for a second even though their may be consequences for their behavior.

[QUOTE=Hillhoney]

[/QUOTE] Ya know Hill I'm not sure if his 100% racist but I'm sure he has a large amount in him. In his book " FRom dreams of my father " these are some lines. Of course picking lines does not always make a case but these are pretty strong

" I ceased to advertise my mothers race at the age od 12 or 13.when I began to suspect that by doiung so I was ingratiating to whites "

" I found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race ( half his btw )

" There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe and white

"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on. To show your loyalty to the black masses , to strike out and name names

" I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my fathers image, the blqack man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm. Dubois and Mandela

" I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction "

there is more I'm sure. If nothing elae it raises ????? does it not. Imagine a white man saying the reverse. Obama is scary to me

So I must admit, I have not read the book you are quoting. Have you?

I have a proposal - let's get the book, all of us who are interested in this topic, read it, and then continue the discussion. I am ordering mine today from Amazon - paperback is only .97. I don't feel right discussing it if I haven't read it. I took the slow, free shipping, so it will be a bit before I get it, but I'll let you know when I receive mine.

Hill, No I did not read his book. As I said " picking lines " is not always a great way to get the real truth. I saw this elsewhere. I did not " Snopes " it. If half is true then I guess it's still disturbing. So why not join me in reading it?I've read the book and most of the above quotes from the book are on the email hate circuit. Some of the quotes are taken out of context, you have to read the whole sentence or paragraph and one of the quotes isn't even his quote. It's the quote of someone who did a book review. If you're going to post make sure that your sources are reliable and the context is correct. I'm going to go look for the source that I read this morning that refuted this hate email. And believe me when I say that I would stand up for McCain if he was misquoted and taken out of context in such a serious sense. I don't deal in half truths and gossip. Lindy .lorster2008-06-26 08:02:44[QUOTE=Hillhoney]So why not join me in reading it?[/QUOTE]

No Thanks

Below is the information that I read this morning. In fact I read two seperate articles regarding the latest hate email and how it slants and spins Obama's written word. Lindy

Summary of the eRumor:
A collection of quotes from two books written by Senator Barack Obama that try to highlight his attitudes about race and Islam.

The Truth:
All but two of the quotes seem to be accurate, but are taken out of context.

One of the quotes does not exist and the one about Islam is fabricated.

Also, whoever constructed this eRumor claims that some of the quotes are from a book by Obama titled Dreams of My Father. The actual title of Obama's book is Dreams From my Father.

In response to email rumors that have circulated about Obama, his campaign has created a page to respond to the rumors. CLICK HERE for the "Fight the Smears" page.

Let's look at them one-at-a-time:

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."-Truth!
This is an accurate quote from the introduction to Dreams from My Father. The book chronicles Obama's experience as the son of an African father and an American mother.

"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."-Fiction!
This quote does not exist in either of Obama's books.

"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."-Truth!
This is a quote from Dreams from My Father. It it in a section in which Obama describes a job interview with a man in Chicago. Race had been a part of their discussion and the full quote is, "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white---he'd said himself that was a problem."

It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."-Truth!
This one is also from Dreams from My Father. It is from a section when Obama was a college student and wrestling with his identity including as an African-American. The quote describes his observation of what was required among his fellow students.

"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."-Truth!
This is from Dreams from my Father. The more complete quote is, ""Yes, I’d seen weakness in other men— Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."-Fiction!
This is a corruption of a quote from Obama's book The Audacity of Hope. It is from a section that talks about the concerns of immigrants who are American citizens.

Here is the accurate and more complete quote: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Well, I am not going to lie, I'm disappointed. I will be more than happy to debate any points on the book after I have had a chance to read it, but I won't discuss it or what it is supposed to say until I can read it for myself.

.lorster2008-06-26 08:03:11Whats BHO so afraid of? His campaign people would not let two Muslim woman in a picture in Detroit and made them move so not to be seen?? They are quite PO'd

Really. Don't catch yourself standing next to Obama when the bus is coming. You just might wind up being a speed bump.

Ha Ha LOL Linc !.lorster2008-06-26 08:03:30To me this is even more worrisome. Senator McCain wanted 10 townhall debates with Senator Obama. Senator Obama said no and that he would agree to a townhall debate on the fourth of July and Senator McCain said that not many people would see or hear it because of 4th of July activities. There is a reason that Senator Obama is running scared when it comes to debates with Senator McCain. Senator Obama still remembers what McCain did to even Mitt Romney in the debates. I sooooo look forward to the debates. It's going to be interesting to see who stumbles, the old man close to dementia or the eloquent speaking black man that has promised everybody everything.

If anyone had investigated Senator Obama's church before it became an issue as I did, you would have seen the statement from the church's homepage that the church is a pro african church. It has since been changed. Didn't David Duke belong to a pro white church? Oh yeah, that is somehow different. Keep in mind, that church policy was practically from the beginning of the church's time, and Senator Obama and Michelle absolutely knew that. Which of you would follow a leader that belongs to a pro white policy church? Not many of us I can honestly say. How many african americans would follow a leader that belongs to a pro african church? 92%? Oh, racism is alive and well in america, you better believe that.

LEV

I agree, the former website of Obama's church was disturbing, to say the least. .lorster2008-06-26 08:04:29Lorster, it has nothing to do with the vote, it has to do with racism. Pro african? Pro white? If you had to vote for one, which one would you vote for? Pro white or pro african? Let's see what makes you tick. Oh and by the way, 13 percent is a large number.

LEV

.lorster2008-06-26 08:04:57.lorster2008-06-26 08:05:24.lorster2008-06-26 08:05:42And once again a discussion turns into personal attacks and nastiness. Why is impossible to talk about things without being mean to each other?.lorster2008-06-26 08:06:22How did you get biggotry or a "threat" from a joke about Obama's tendancy to "throw people under the bus"? That's a serious question, I can't figure how you made that connection.[QUOTE=lorster] [QUOTE=6t5frlane] [QUOTE=Hillhoney]So why not join me in reading it?[/QUOTE]

No Thanks

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Are you avoiding me 6t5?[/QUOTE]

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.lorster2008-06-26 08:06:40.lorster2008-06-26 08:07:09I don't want it to blow over because I think it's a serious issue. I think it might be worthy of blowing over if it was part of his youth that he denounced before the cameras were on him, before it threatened his campaign.

You talk about not being a follower and if I understand your tone, you take pride in that. But that's exactly what you're asking me to be. In the name of unity I should lay aside what I believe is right and follow an ideaology that I think is fundamentally flawed, no matter that the intention of it might be at it's core, good. If I ask you to do the same and you say "no", does that make you devisive? I'm going the way I think I should, win or lose. I expect that that's what you're doing as well. Unity isn't good if we're unified on the wrong things and I believe that the liberal agenda is wrong for our country. So I will not align myself with it. I would think that that would be something you would respect because you think the exact same way, only on the other side..lorster2008-06-26 08:07:36.lorster2008-06-26 08:08:22Lorster, I'm not talking about his spiritual beliefs. I'm talking about racism. I don't want a President who is pro African, I want a President who is pro American. And I don't want him to be a vaguely disguised socialist who wants to tax the you know what out of me. I already have a Govenor that's doing that and it's not nice and it's not working. I don't want a President who is chummy with terrorist William Ayers. I don't want a President who's making crazy promises that he can't keep......evey kid gets a college education, on the government?? How's he gonna pull that off Lorster? What does he know about foreign policy? It wasn't that long ago (weeks, maybe) that he was saying Iran isn't much of a threat. Iran, who hates America, has vowed to wipe Isreal off the globe and is in a frenzied pursuit of nuclear weapons. I don't want a President that is more concerned with the (unsubstantiated) plight of the Polar Bear over providing our own oil to his country. I don't want a Presidient who will penalize success (another failed move we've seen carried out by our liberal Governor in Michigan). What's to like about Obama except for the way he delivers a speech? That someone wrote for him..lorster2008-06-26 08:08:46so you're writing it all off as though if only obama were a white guy, i'd love him too? Hmm. John Kerry isn't black, but i didn't like him. what's the common thread there lorster? not skin color obviously. it must be something else. think. think. think. wait, they're both liberal with a heavy leaning toward socialism. Also, do you really think that when we have a gigantic national debt is the best time to be planning to be adding so much burden on the tax payers?

The more I think about it, I come to realize that the root of your dislike for President Bush is that you just don't like Texans. That's all it is. Just your own little anti Texan hang up. Admit it or don't. I see through you.

You have her number,Linncn!! She's your friend if you agree with her lmao

HOOOORAY FOR YOU!!!!!

.lorster2008-06-26 08:09:07Well, here's why I'm voting for him....because he isn't Borak Obama. I'm not a giant McCain fan. In fact, this is the first time since I've been voting that I've thought that maybe I just won't vote. In the end I will, but I'm really voting against one more than Im voting for one.President Bush is here today for a fundraiser. Last time he came a few years ago the town ground to a halt as traffic was stopped and backed up for hours. Everybody is poed he is coming back on a Friday afternoon to screwup the commute home. I have been laffing some people are so mad. [QUOTE=lorster]I asked you why you wouldn't read the book.[/QUOTE]

I choose not to suppoet him

[QUOTE=lorster]I guess I missed the throwing people under the bus. I took it to mean someone would run over him. I guess I'm a bit foggy and slow. But Linncn. Why do people believe this? Where do people get this info? Can we move beyond Rev Wright? If you listened to Wrights interviews on TV, he was hungry for all the media attention he could get. I think it got thrown way out of proportion. I would never have attended this church for 20 years but then, I'm not the kind of person that believes everything I hear...anywhere. And I would not be influenced by anyone preaching to me. I am my own person, with my own beliefs, not at all a follower. [/QUOTE]

It can NOT be forgotten. This man is running for the most important job in the world. He listened about Garlic nosed Italians, Israel being a dirty word, you know the rest. It's a core decision on his part to accept his pastors rants for 20 years. Be scared , very scared of him

What will happen 6t5 in your scenario, if Barak becomes President? What should we be afraid of?

Okay Lorster,

You liberals are good dancers. When you are asked a relavant question, you start off with a cha-aha-cha and then right into a little boogie and then a quick two step right around the question. You seem to think that whether a person is a member of a pro race organization is not relavent. So let me ask it this way. Would you vote for a white man that promises to bring us all together, koombaya, but is a member of a pro white church? Would you vote for a white man that belongs to a pro white church, promises to bring us all together, koombaya, and is a democrat? If your answer is yes to either of the questions, then your ethics are questionable at least. If your answer is no to either of the questions, but you would vote for a african american belonging to a pro african agenda church, more than your ethics are questionable.

Que the music, this should be good enough for the "So You Think You Can Dance" T-V show.

Cha-cha-cha

LEV

.lorster2008-06-26 08:10:07Did John McCain attend either of these churches for 20 years and call either of thewse men his Pastor? Did he attend either of these churches for even a month?

And to you this seems like the same thing as Obama and Jeremy Wright? You wish it was, but if you're honest you have to admit it's not even close.

What a stretch Lorster. C'mon you can do better then that. McCain did not even know them ..did he?.lorster2008-06-26 08:10:34In fact, I think it proves the opposite of Lorster's point. McCain immediatley did what Obama waited 19.5 years and a whole lotta cameras to do. Too little too late, Borack.Blah Blah Blah. The black churches have been preaching like this FOREVER. It's the white man is keeping me down speech. C,mon guys.

The problem with the speech is that it is, what is, (keeping the black man down). And it is the fault of all those black preachers out there that are giving it.

Most, eventually realize this is all crap and move on, which is what we should do.

Voting for Obama. Why? Because I am sick and tired of what has been going on with our health care and our economy and I find no reason to be in a war at this time. Did you see the stock market fall today?
We are in big trouble.

I will not be taking comments on whether I am a biggott or a racist because you have no idea what color I am.

I love free speech though. It's what makes our country just wonderful!!
Get out and vote for whoever people.

I doubt Obama is a racist he had a white Mamma and hardly knew his African daddy.

He was raised by very white grandparents and his only sibling who campaigns for him is white. He has white nieces and nephews. He is half-white. He is not only black but also white.........understand?

Although I could not help but come to Obama's defense, I think it innapropriate that we have such conversations on an arthritis message board. Everyone needs to grow up and keep their politics to themselves. If you want to do something for your candidate talk about his positives instead of attacking the opposition. See if you can volunteer at the local campaign office. Spending time discussing such controversial topics on this board is a waste of time and only leads to hard feelings. Come on guys........aren't we above such nonsense?

What ever happened to the whole separation of church and state business....

Why is it anyone's business what religious beliefs a politician has? Aren't they private (religious beliefs)?

Again, for the zillionth time. This isn't about his religious beliefs. It's about his racist beliefs. Or at least his acceptance of biggotry in the people he chooses to teach him. ANd by the way, seperation of church and state means that their can be no government enforced religion. It doesn't mean that it can't be discussed by politicians.

I wish HIllary had gone to the convention. I think Obama is going to be in trouble. I don't understand why she bowed out. There have been so many before her who did not...

So,

The loud liberals have started their own thread. That is a good way to do it. Remember the last liberal thread? They would post op-eds, bloggers opinions and their opinions and post them as if they weren't opinions but truths. WARNING: Don't call them on their dishonest postings or they will call you mean and evil for telling the truth, you'll make them cry and they will say they are going to leave the forum, like that's the truth.

Hey Lorster,

Once again, Okay Lorster,

Que the music, this should be good enough for the "So You Think You Can Dance" T-V show.

Cha-cha-cha.

Has anyone heard about a couple of democrats that were given VIP loans directly from Countrywide President? Probably not, the news agencies aren't really interested in it and kind of hope it just goes away. I think that a couple of the dems are on the banking and finance committees, hmmm. I think Chris Dodd said he didn't realize that he was getting better treatment than Mr. average citizen, hmmm.

Hey, isn't it pretty wild that all of the news agencies talk about how cool Michelle Obama is with her fist bumping with Barack and yet all they mention about Cindy McCain is that she entered a recipe as hers when it had been on the FOOD NETWORK. They don't mention anything about her foundations that she funds and works. Anyone know what they are and what they are about. The organizations, her fundings and her close work with the organizations were't just started to enhance her image. CNN and HNN are like rolling advertisement for Obama.

http://majorityap.com/obama_s_affiliations_speak_louder_than_his_words

My, my my, what's this world coming to? A change we can believe in? Sure you can believe it.

levlarry2008-06-22 11:01:13Hey, isn't it pretty wild that all of the news agencies talk about how cool Michelle Obama is with her fist bumping with Barack and yet all they mention about Cindy McCain is that she entered a recipe as hers when it had been on the FOOD NETWORK. They don't mention anything about her foundations that she funds and works.

You mean the one she stole drugs from to feed her addiction? Yeah, we definitely need to hear more about that.

[QUOTE=Ed]Hey, isn't it pretty wild that all of the news agencies talk about how cool Michelle Obama is with her fist bumping with Barack and yet all they mention about Cindy McCain is that she entered a recipe as hers when it had been on the FOOD NETWORK. They don't mention anything about her foundations that she funds and works.

You mean the one she stole drugs from to feed her addiction? Yeah, we definitely need to hear more about that.

WOW One thats ONE post, How about a hello and and intro ED. Thats if thats your real name.

[/QUOTE] Ed,

I know that it must have brought joy to your face to post the part about Cindy McCain being addicted to drugs and even doing illegals to supply herself with the opioids. I may be too easy on her because I know how succeptable we with chronic pain are to becoming addicted. I also may be easy on her because of her work with operation smile. Those doctors and the doctors of doctors without borders are some of my heroes. Believe me when I say that I have very few heroes but those involved in those two organizations are my heroes. I was going to paste a liberal blog site that trashes cindy mccain about her drug involvement just to bring more joy to your face but hey, you can find them on your own. I am however going to post a link to an interview with Cindy on ABC not so much for you but for others that may en joy the video, it will not bring any joy to you, i'm sure. But feel free to trash cindy mccain, but you know how i feel about opinions being posted as truth. Here is the link to the video:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5216530&page=1

LEV

She is a wonderful woman. I could care less whats in her medicine cabinet.
(I do understand about being addicted to meds.) It's hell to get off.

These candidates and there wives are real people. Stuff happens to all of us.
I agree. You gotta respect someone who controls and overcomes an addiction. It can't be easy. Well folks, I got Obama's book "Dreams from My Father - A Story of Race and Inheritance" in the mail yesterday and I am enjoying it so much. It is beautifully written. I still hope some of you will reconsider and read it also. If you don't wish to "support" him, borrow it from your public library!Saw a nice ad for Obama........Had his picture smiling and the word CHANGE on it. You then had to read the rest. Change is all you will have left after his Tax Increases. Pretty funny{{{shakes head and smiles}}}

Pretty funny, 6t5What about you Link, do you read books, or just blogs and emails for information?I'll pass on Obama's book. Not on my list of what I want to read.

Jan

Karen...I don't read any blogs except my DIL's. And my email's not working. But I do appreciate your sarcasm. Thanks for that. I do read alot. Not usually biography's though,.

I am just saddened and frustrated that folks are so adamant that they know Obama is a racist and how he feels, and even post supposed quotes from his book as evidence against him, but are unwilling to actually read his words and his thoughts on the subject.

Chances are that those who have already made up their mind about him and "his racism" would not be swayed by reading the book. I know that. But at least you would have read the book before claiming to know what he said or what he thinks and trashing him for it.

Karen, the guy was a member of a racist church for 20 years. You can blow that off if you want to. No doubt their are lots of people who are willing to look the other way. I'm not. No matter what his book says, he didn't leave his racist church until people were watching. That says more to me than his book can.

edited to add: I don't particularly care to read his book because I will never vote for a liberal. Ever. I would vote for my new puppy first.

Linncn2008-06-24 16:56:23I reiterate for Obama to be racist he would have to disown his Mother, grandmother and

grandfather who raised him and his sister. Obama is as much white as he is black get it?

He is bi-racial. There are many African Americans who do not really see Obama as being "black." Because he comes from a white background. He was raised in Hawaii by a white woman and had no relationship with his African father. His father was not even black. He was an African and believe me there is a big difference.

Frankly I think those of you calling Obama racist are racist because you fail to see that he is as much white as he is black. If you think Obama hates white people you are nuts, because to hate white people he would have to hate himself. It appears to me that he has pretty high self-esteem.

Yeah, you'd think he'd be extra offended by his racist Pastor, wouldn't you? Unless deep down he agreed with him.

Hillhoney and Isell,

Just 2 days ago, Obama called himself black. Why not call Senator Obama and correct him. And now, I ask the same question to both of you:

Would you vote for a white man that promises to bring us all together, koombaya, but is a member of a pro white church? Would you vote for a white man that belongs to a pro white church, promises to bring us all together, koombaya, and is a democrat? If your answer is yes to either of the questions, then your ethics are questionable at least. If your answer is no to either of the questions, but you would vote for a african american belonging to a pro african agenda church, more than your ethics are questionable.

There is no doubt in my mind that if he were a white republican he would be shamed by both dems and repubs and I would be in agreement with them. I think that republicans and conservatives in general are more fair minded.

LEV

We have been voting for white men with pro white male agenda's for a long time, Levlarry. Karen, who is the last racist you voted for?

You liberals are good dancers. When you are asked a relavant question, you start off with a cha-aha-cha and then right into a little boogie and then a quick two step right around the question.

LEVHillhoney,

Isn't that a line from Farahkan? That's a surprise.

LEV

George Bush

George Bush is racist? Crazy he'd appoint Condi and Colin. I wonder if they know. They're gonna be pissed.

The people of New Orleans know.

Do you think that, was it the Mayor of NO or the Govenor of Louisiana (I don't remember now) was being racist when he ignored the warnings to evacuate? Or just GWB?

Hillhoney,

I guess that if you feel that way about the white men then maybe you should vote for a black man with a black agenda and hope he gets in just to teach you a lesson that will vibrate through even your childrens' children.

LEV

Oh, I intend to. The "vibrations" from George W. are the ones which will be felt by generations. I voted for him, I have admitted it and apologized for it before. It will take a very, very long time to recover from his administration. With a 25% approval rating, it's no wonder Republicans are "scared" of what the future may hold!

GWB isn't running this time 'round. So. We shall see.[QUOTE=Hillhoney]

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Good God Hill, You do ot have to read his book to understand his past and his ideas. He wrote a book to make money . He thanks you

[QUOTE=levlarry]Hillhoney and Isell,

Just 2 days ago, Obama called himself black. Why not call Senator Obama and correct him. And now, I ask the same question to both of you:

You are 100 % correct LEV

LEV

[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Hillhoney]We have been voting for white men with pro white male agenda's for a long time, Levlarry. [/QUOTE]

Can you explain what a White Male agenda is

[QUOTE=Hillhoney]Oh, I intend to. The "vibrations" from George W. are the ones which will be felt by generations. I voted for him, I have admitted it and apologized for it before. It will take a very, very long time to recover from his administration. With a 25% approval rating, it's no wonder Republicans are "scared" of what the future may hold!

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I think the Dem Congress is at 18%. How long will that resonate?

Since President Bush has been in office he has been asking for homeland oil drilling. If we had started drilling back then, how many millions of barrels per week of extra homeland oil would we have now? Senator Obama says even if we did start drilling here, we wouldn't see any benifits for nine years. Well, if we don't, then one of his fellow democrats can give the very same arguement in his or her presidential bid in eight years. Senator Obama wants to tax the oil companies. What do you think that the oil companies will do to recoup those taxes that Senator Obama wants to steal from them. If your answer is the oil companies will raise the gas prices to the consumer, you and me, you are smarter than the average Obama supporter. Senator Obama also wants to raise the federal gasoline tax in order to "help" Mr. Average citizen conserve fuel by not using as much because they can't afford to. What's wrong with you people?

If Iraq becomes the democratic country as is expected, this world with be a safer world than ever believed possible because of the democratic stability in the mideast. Thanks to GWB and the american people. It's not surprising that the democrats blame all the bad on GWB. What do the democrats blame on the democrats. What have the democrats been doing for the past 8 years besides trying to hijack every possible good that GWB trys to accomplish? That's what they have spent the last eight years doing. The idiots made Abu Graaib the top news story until even they were sick of it. Nude prisoners, growling dogs and even a rumor of a guard flushing the book of koran down the toilet. Have those idiots ever visited a prison for american prisoners where prisoners are stabbed, beaten, raped given green bologna and etcs? Oooh, growling dogs. The idiots don't worry about that do they? And the worst is that the dems try to make it like GWB himself gave the order to do those things and of course the dems call for the heads of those responsible, lowlife scum. What have they done for us, those lowlife dems? Well? I'm listening. If they had spent even one tenth of the energy on the good of this country and the people that they spent trying to dishonor GWB, we would be in good shape and I would be talking praise for the democrats. Start from the 9/11 attacks and see how the dems worked so hard to sabotage every thing that GWB tried to do. Because of the dems swaying the american opinion on the war, Iran became emboldened knowing that the american people would do nothing even if they were to build nuclear weapons and send weapons to kill our troops thanks to the democratic leaders. Once again I tell you honestly that I am neither democrat or republican but I have eyes and a brain bigger than CNN.

LEV

Levlarry, the oil companies currently own extensive oil leases that they are not drilling. This is just a political ploy. Opening up new oil drilling leases off the coasts of Florida and California wouldn't have an effect whatsoever on the economy now or even ten years from now.

If our military had gone in with force into Afghanistan and yes, Pakistan, and squashed Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden, we would be operating from a much stronger position today. Instead, we attacked Iraq, made Saddam Public Enemy No. 1, and went in all cocky thinking we would wrap this up real quick. We went in without understanding the complexity of the cultures involved, and the struggle for power that has been going on between the various tribes and sects for centuries. We kissed Pakistan's butt, so that we could launch our planes from there to attack Iraq, while ignoring the fact that Bin Laden was being given refuge there. We spread ourselves too thin, and lost sight of the goal of crushing Bin Laden.

Now the entire region is unstable, and Iran sees an opportunity. There was INTERNATIONAL opposition to the war in Iraq. Now there is a growing hatred toward the US across the world. Even the Iraqies who supported the war are now resenting us. We blew the lid off this can of worms and the repercussions are being felt worldwide. The US economy is going in the toilet, the dollar is worth chump change, OPEC is all too happy to put the screws to us, and the only folks sitting pretty are the oil companies and their stockholders, who are being allowed to profiteer.

Let's say that your perception of everything is entirely accurate. That still doesn't mean that Obama is qualified to be President. If A is bad, does it follow that B must be good? No. That's bad reasoning. That's a knee jerk reaction. If you're going to vote for Obama, do it because of what you suppose his merits are, not because you find fault with the current administration. Please keep in mind that George Bush isn't running for anything in this election.

Listen,

Barack does consider himself to be black. I am bi-racial also and since my outward appearance is that of a black person. I am black. However, I was raised like Obama by

a white woman. I am half white. I could no more hate white people than any white person could. Barack actually has a half-sister that is white. He is very close to her. She is married to a white man.

I cannot attribute Rev wright's beliefs to Obama. Oprah was also a member of that church do you think she is racist also?

I am not going to be a part of this hateful thread anymore. If you want to talk issues thats one thing, but going around and attacking on a personal level is not substantive and gets us no place.

You don't have to vote for Obama and I do not believe you would vote for him even if Rev Wright had never come up. I am not going to vote for McCain. He is too conservative and has no solutions for the economy and healthcare.

I hope Obama wins and when he does you will have to suffer thru years of feeling disenfranchised as we have during the Bush presidency. However for you it will be worse because you will feel your President is a racist. Welcome to my world.

I saw a 20/20 once, or maybe it was Dateline..but the topic was prejudice within black families. The lighter skinned family members were favored over darker skinned family members....in the same family. I guess if it can happen in all black families it can happen in bi-raicial ones too. I mean unless everybody was lying. And by the way, I only saw the show. I had noting at all to do with it's production so please don't anyone come back and call me racist because I told you about what I saw. Oh, and I didn't mean that this happens in ALL black families, I meant that it happens in some families that are entirely made up of African Americans.

Isell, don't leave, please! Your voice and your opinions are just as important, valid and valuable as everyone elses. Whoever the moderator for this forum is we need to end this thread now. We really are getting racist here. I do not need some racist white person to tell me what goes on in African American families. You need to take your racist KKK attitude and shove it up your ass! I have had it. What you do not understand is that black families are no different than white famililies. You dumbass. You know if McCain new you personally he would condemn you. Please tell me is this a racist site? You my friend are on the same level as Rev. Wright. Just the other side of the fence.Hmmmm. Who are you talking to? Because I don't think that the producers of 20/20 read this board. I mean, maybe they do, but I think your wasting all of your eloquent speech (not to mention your hostility) on the wrong people. I have to admit you're pretty classy though.[QUOTE=lsell44]Whoever the moderator for this forum is we need to end this thread now. We really are getting racist here. I do not need some racist white person to tell me what goes on in African American families. You need to take your racist KKK attitude and shove it up your ass! I have had it. What you do not understand is that black families are no different than white famililies. You dumbass. You know if McCain new you personally he would condemn you. Please tell me is this a racist site? You my friend are on the same level as Rev. Wright. Just the other side of the fence.[/QUOTE]

WE are not getting racist here, you are. You want to end the thread but you keep posting to it. Ignore it if you wish . So your leaving ? Adios. P.S Thanks for admitting Rev Wright is a racist

Linncn,

I didn't see anything classy about Isell44, where did I miss it?

Isell44, Adios.

Hillhoney, your complete post is your opinion, not true and you didn't answer the question. Where does blame lie with the democrats? What have they done in the past eight years and specifically what have they done in the last 4 years. Iran saw that the democrats had successfully devided our country enough that they knew that the United States could not get the approval to stop them from making nuclear weapons and knew that the democrats aprreciated every united states servicemans death that iran could make possible with suppling not just soldiers but weapons to rip them apart and then the democrats could say, here's another GWB death. If the people of the United States had stayed United as they were after 9/11, iran would never have been so emboldened or helped in the deaths of our soldiers because they would know the consequenses. But because of the democrats and their news organizations using every thing they could to devide us for the sake of polotics, iran knew that the democrats had won their war for them. The democrats are the reason for most of the problems. They have spent the last eight years ensuring that everything that could be made bad was made bad so that they would say, see what bush and the repubs did. What did your democrats do, Hillhoney? Here in Michigan, Marathon oil is expanding their refining operations to the tune of 1.8 billon dollars. It will take 3 years to complete. It is past ignorant to say that drilling and producing homeland oil would not be benificial. Again, this time answer the question, it's simple, what have the democrats done in the last eight years? It's amazing that yous believe that one man is responsible for the woes of the worlds. You have two eyes, one good eye and one bad eye. Look through both of them. Just be honest and fair, what's so hard about it. What have the democrats done in the last eight years?

LEV

I too am dropping this thread. Someone has clearly been hurt and offended by things that were said, and I do not wish to continue bringing this thread forward. I am not going to be a part of it any longer.Lev, you're right about Isell. I was being sarcastic.Ya know most people that have responded have hundreds if not thousands of posts here. I enjoy all of those folks. Isell44 has 20. She is telling people to shove it up there %$# and calling people racist etc. Maybe she/he is ahaving a bad day, but until she/he feels better maybe they should STFUBump Bump BumpWow LORSTER, you REALLY DO like to stir up sh*t!!!

NOBODY WANTS to re-read OLD posts. When did you become the forum crossing guard and ASSume that everyone wants to re-read these? Other than to stir up more sh*t asswipe, what's your motive? You know that by bumping these up, it will encite more arguments, apparently that's what you thrive on! I can certainly give it to you, that's for dayum sure!

Lorster,

It is your mo to post and then delete it. You have done that at this forum on a constant basis. I think that the only person that should be embarrassed is you and Issell. You can't even stand by your posts. If you are shameful that you can't stand to reread your posts, you should be embarrassed. Why make statements if you can'ttand by what you post? That shows just what you are made of and it doesn't smell good. A few days ago you made some stupid statement and when you are called on it, you try to make it as if you said it as a joke "in order to bring more people to the forum" and then you add'I'm not really a nurse. Let's hope not for the sake of the injured and sick that may have to come in contact with you. Someone that actually believes that unapproved &ilegal drugs should be given. The only thing that should be given, is the statements you have made about illegal and unapproved drugs and that someone that is a nurse has actually done some of those illegal drugs and needs to be reported because you are a danger to every patient you come in contact with. If you are going to post, be big enough to stand by what you post. You only embarrass yourself.

LEV

Lev, for your information, i deleted those posts way back when the thread was fresh. I deleted them for only one person and that was Isell. She was deeply troubled by what had been written and I decided that if I had offended her, I would remove my posts