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I am new here but not new to RA. I was diagnosed 5 years ago. Let me tell you my story. My blood tests clearly confirm RA. Although it is mild to moderate but prognosis is bad based on my blood tests (positive RF, ANA, ETC.)My RD wanted to put me on serious drugs but I resisted because I feel OK most of the time. I do love red wine and I am not going to quit drinking it unless I really have too. To make a long story short: did anybody noticed that red wine helps to reduce pain, or Resveratrol-N0N-ALCOHOLIC concentrated red wine. I noticed that red wine helps me a lot. One glass before I go to bed and there is no pain in the morning. Resveratrol works even better. I even quit drugs. It is 17 days since I quit my medication. I may still have them in my system and that is why I may be still OK. Did anybody take resveratrol. I read some posts on different websites and some people noticed the same. But the others say it makes no difference or makes it worse. I really stopped trusting doctors. I wish it were as easy as drinking a glass of red wine or using Resveratrol.Welcome to AI Pepper. We're glad you're here.

 
First; I don't know why any doctor would give you a bad prognosis based on your blood work. Especially if they say it's mild to moderate. In my opinion your doctor should not have done that. If it was to scare you into serious drugs early; it's just plain wrong.
 
Second; Don't stop your medication in the hopes that Red Wine will help you. IF you were just on antinflammatories or pain medication; fine. BUT if you have already begun some sort of DMARD treatment (Disease Modifying agent) then you are making a huge mistake.
 
If like you say you are managing fine with little problems I'd suggest you start on a mild DMARD like sulfersalizine or plaquinel. You'll still be able to have your wine....and it will slow the progression of a disease that is progressing whether you feel it or not. Trust me it can sneak up on you before you know it. You want to slow the damage that can not be reversed later. This is your window of opprotunity to get ahead of this thing. Don't miss this chance.
 
Also; I've taken MTX for more than 5 years now and I drink wine with my doctors approval. I don't drink much....but I haven't been asked to swear it off. Provided your liver test are fine it won't be a probelm.
 
Again; welcome to AI. Please consider what I've said. Do some research and make an informed decision.

Lovie's got it right..

and remember some of our problems aren't "felt" but happen.. such as the destruction... it's not just all about pain.
 
so, I agree.. not to just stop your meds....
 
good luck to you!
 
 
Thank you everybody who responded.
I think you are right. So far I don't have any bone destruction acording to x-rays anyway(other tests were too expensive to do). My new doctor was surprised because I have been only on plaquinil all 5 years.I stopped seeing my previous RD because he kept telling me that 50% of people with RA will be in wheel chair in 10 years after the onset. It is may be true but I was tired of hearing about it. After I visited him I stayed upset for a few days. My new doctor added sulfasalazin and said that I could drink wine. She said this medication is popular in Europe exactly for this reason. I understand what you are saying and I will get back on drugs. The thing is that even when I took drugs I had bad days from time to time with severe pain (I am sure I don't have to describe it to you!)
My boyfriend and I love red wine. He has a celler and studies wines. We do go out or we just stay home and have a glass with dinner. Then he switched to whites because red started bothering his stomack. My pain came back. I should say I have wrist pain every day. It varies from mild to severe but never goes away 100%. The only change in my diet was wine. I opened a bottle of red instaed of white and had a glass before I went to bed. Guess, what? I woke up in great shape. We went on a trip and I didn't take Resveratrol with me, so I was getting by with just having 1-2 glasses of wine every day. Some fingers started hurting but overall I was OK. When I came home I COULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT RED WINE ANYMORE! I couldn't enjoy it! If you drink it every day you loose taste of it. I began taking Resveratrol. The swallowing got reduced on my fingers although I still feel pain if I touch and press joints. All these years I thought I felt good just because of my diet (fish mostly, veggies, elimination of milk, etc.)Now I think it was wine. I understand that it is not that simple. A friend of mine who has RA of slightly different type did not notice any relief neither from taking Resveratrol, not from red wine. I went on other websites and some people did notice that it helped them. Others say that alcohol makes their RA worse. I think some people drink when they have stress and it is stress that makes it worse not wine. Having said all that I think I will follow your advice. This experiment is not worth of loosing joints. I will go back on plaquinil before it wears out. It takes long time for it to kick in again. By the way, did anybody take Arthizen Relief? I don't take any supplements but may be I should. Thank you again for responding. All these years I was alone with my RA. No one in my family has it and no one among my friends does either. I learned not to talk about it and not to mention it to anybody even when I was hurting badly. People do not understand why it is so hard to turn a handle on the door or start the car. Thanks again and I am looking forward to hear from you. Pepper.
Hi Pepper, enjoyed reading your post, I too, have very painful wrists all the time.
No don't go off meds, I have tried going off many times, I hated being on all those drugs, but the pain that comes back is not worth it. I, like you love my wine, but haven't tried sticking to red, so I might give it a go, and also have tried eliminating certain foods.  At the mo am having a bad day because yesterday I indulged in bad foods, eg prawns, bread.
Do you have any certain foods that you stay away from. Rockin AnnieEven on MTX & Humira I still have some bad days; but they are not as bad and don't last as long as they would without the meds. My point is; don't expect to be 100% problem free even on the meds.
Hi,Annie!
I am glad to meet you. I have been on healthy diet for years. When I met my boyfriend, we really became healthy diet freaks because he is worse than me. This is what I noticed over 5 years. If I eat salads and veggies and have very little to eat for dinner and not too late, I feel well. Yesterday we went to buffet in country club. I didn't eat much but eat a little of everything, had my 1,5 glass of red wine, but 2 !!!!(shame on me!)pieces of cake and it was around 8:30. This morning my left hand hurts! I noticed that I feel the best when I am kind of hungry. My boyfriend doesn't know anything about RA. He THINKS IT IS CURABLE if you eat right. He told me to eliminate milk. I did but I don't think it effected my RA. Besides, I got kidney stones(the lack of calcium!)I ABSOLUTELY! don't eat fried food, I like good bread, eat a lot of fish but not farm-raised (hard to find ), I eat stakes twice a month. By the way red meat doesn't seam effect my RA if consumed with wine of course. After those buffets I FEEL THE WORSE(a lot of pain)! I think because I EAT TOO MANY different kinds of food and my system gets confused with all this amino acids. I don't eat sugar, unless it is in cake, honey or fruit. I DO EXERCISE (HATE IT!),but it does helps with pain and moods. I wanted to have a diary and write everything down what I eat and how I feel but it is soooo time consuming, and I stopped. Took my meds this morning, so I am OK, guys. Thank you!The diet connection to this is huge and your diet sounds almost perfect hence maybe why you're mild.  Try elliminating gluten and see what happens.  And no, you can't cure RA with diet but you can really cut the inflammation which is what causes the damage. 
 
Sulphasalaizine is a really, really, really mild antibiotic.  You NEED probiotics with that IMHO. 
 
You might consider AP - antibiotic protocol.  www.roadback.org  Or our thread here.  You can drink wine with it.  Also, mycoplasma (cell wall deficient bacteria thought by those in the infectious disease camp to cause AI diseases) have been found inside kidney stones.
 
Hugs,
 
Pip
Thanks for that Pepper, your boyfriend sounds like my hubby, he thinks you can cure RA with diet and hounds me to keep a food diary, which I do try but mostly forget!. You have given me motivation to once again stick to a strict diet, because no matter what the doc says a good diet does help with the inflammation. 
Has anyone heard of taking molasses for inflammation, my hubby works at a sugar mill and can get it by the gallon?. 
 
Hi Pip, you might think this is a silly question but what is IMHO? you sound like you have a lot of knowledge re Ra and done a lot of ground work. I hear a lot about AP but my doc doesn't know anything about it.  Maybe its not big over hear in Aussie! thanks for you help.IMHO = in my honest opinion.
 
I can hook you up with Aussie APers.  I get around.  LOL  It's not big there but there is a group of them.  Heck, it's not big here either. 
 
Hugs,
 
Pip
Gee I am silly!, I am new to all this new lingo and still getting familiar with this forum and how it all works. I would be interested in locating aussie apers..thanks heaps.Hey, I just had a thought - go to www.roadback.org and post saying you're interested in talking to the Aussies!  You'll get a bunch of them right off the bat.  Don't forget to come back tho!  And say "Hi from Pip".
 
Hugs,
 
Pip

I was diagnosed last August and so far have mild symptoms, doctor says no meds just yet, but she tells me that because of my positive CCP and RF (both very low at 10 and 18) I will develop full-blown RA and the bad, erosive kind.

I am doing eveything I possibly can to help myself, and that includes having a glass of red wine a few nights a week.  On Saturday I may even have 2.  I have also eliminated gluten, most fats except olive oil and omega-3, no red meat, I take fish oil daily and exercise as often as I feel able, which is almost every day.  I walk in the sun 15-20 minutes to get extra vitamin D, too.  I feel great.  My doctor recently said that my RA is mimicking the palindromic type, although she says it is not palindromic.  I think it is and am hoping it stays this way.
 
But yes, whenever I feel a little twinge starting, I drink a glass of wine with dinner and it seems to help.  I also love the taste.  What a great medicine!  Oh, and one other thing that I noticed is that oranges seem to help so I've been eating a lot of those lately.
 
Thanks Pip, will do.I don't think I've ever come across such a diverse disease as RA! What works so well for one can be detrimental to another! I love wine and what I've found out for myself is that red wine will trigger a flare up within minutes but white wine does the complete opposite! One glass of white wine in the evening, and the next day is a pretty good one! I can feel it when I haven't had a glass within a week. Must be God's way of giving me a silver lining! Isn't that the truth!
 
Nancy - how can she say that with those numbers?  Granted, the numbers aren't everything, but if you're doing that well - then ???
 
If you're Palindromic - good for you!
 
Pip
Hello,everybody!
I went to Barnes and Nobels with my son yesterday. I saw Arthritis for Dummies book. They mention Grapeseeds extract among the other supplements that help. They say it is unknown why it helps but they think it slows down the release of inflammatory enzymes. More studies need to be conducted. By the way, they don't know why plaquinil works, it is the drug for malaria but is prescribed for RA. I guess Grapeseed extract is the same as Resveratrol? I am going to try other supplements as well. I hate to take a lot of pills on the top of what I already take but I will. I do believe in diet! When I was first diagnosed it was said that the diet has no effect on RA. Now it is said everywhere that it does! The doctors just legally can't say much unless it is confirmed by official studies conducted on millions of RA patients. I think every case is so different and what works for one person will not work for the other. I wish I could come up with a selection of natural supplements for myself so I could stop taking real drugs!!!!! This disease is such a mistery but I believe it can be resolved.
Hello!
Isn't it strange! It is the opposite for me. Except white wine does not trigger my flare up,it just doesn't help. Have you tried Resveratrol? It seems to help me but I just started taking it. Without all of that I would have had to go on more serious drugs. I think my mild drugs are giving up after 5 years. If I don't drink wine or take resveratrol, I wake up in pain and feel like I am 100 years old. Nancy, I am surprised they didn't put you at least on mild meds. In my case it took them 3 years to come up with diagnosis. I had no swallowing for a long time. My doctor put me on plaquinil 6 weeks after my first symptoms appeared and I have been taking it ever since. He said even he was uncertain of what was going on but early treatment in RA (if it was RA) made all the difference in the world. I don't believe everything the doctors say though. One of them as I mentioned earlier kept promising me a wheel chair in the next 10 years if I don't take MXT and he implied that I was an alcoholic because I told him I did not want to give up wine (it was before I found out that it was red wine helping me- not fish or veggies- another reason not to give it up!)Rockin' Annie - it's black strap molassas that helps.  The other stuff just tastes good.
 
Anaudlife - fish is very high in Omega 3's - which are very antiinflammatory.  Veggies are also antiinflammatory because there is usually very little in them that promote irritation of gut mucosa (unless you have delayed onset allergies).  The reservatrol is supposed to be very good but I don't use it because I have yeast and reservtrol can extent the life of a single yeast 70%.  That's the last thing I need.
 
Hugs,
 
Pip
Annie, What are malossas?Pip!
Your are right! By the way, I ate so much fish that my physician said she never saw such a perfect amount of vitamin D in anybody's tests. Not a bad thing! I am sure it all help! The reason that I emphasize red wine is that when I take it (or resveratrol) I feel no pain at all. And the whole day goes without any pain or discomfort. I don't even have stiffness after sitting still for a while. Why would not you try grape juice or grapes. Grape juice has sugar though- it is not too good. I have only one friend with RA, and wine did not help him. It varies I guess.
I am glad I joined this forum. I don't know how I lived without people's support for 5 years.   Pip!
I read your message again. Well, I moved from very cold climate to Texas and nobody told me to drink a lot of water. Texas is known for kidney stones because of dehydration. Local people grew up holding a cup of liquid in their hand. I force myself to drink more now.Pip, my RD has me baffled.  She believes that I will progress to full-blown RA but has not yet prescribed medication.  When I point out my low RF and anti-CCP numbers, she says "we were taught that any positive reading will result in erosive RA".  Taught?    She is very young and I may be one of her first patients.  I don't think she has experienced a variety of cases ranging from mild to severe.
 
She says my RA only mimicks palindromic but can't be palindromic because of positive levels of RF and CCP.  I have searched the web and believe you can be palindromic with positive RF and CCP.  Granted, the odds are high that palindromic will turn to RA over time with positive numbers, but my numbers are LOW!  Not only that, but my sed rate is back to normal and CRP below 5 (when first diagnosed, sed rate was 43, CRP 26). 
 
She completely refuses to discuss AP, said she had only one patient try it and fail.
 
I don't know.....I am thinking of looking for another RD, mainly because I never get positive feedback from her -- at each visit she insinuates "just wait, you'll get it bad".
 
 
Nancy,
I asked my RD about antibiotics and received the same answer. I personally got rid of the doctor who tried to scare me. The tests will vary over time. I had negative ANA and then it turned positive in 2-3 years,my marker of inflammation varies all the time and is normal or very low most of the time. It was only high when I had severe pain, and it happened 3-4 times in 5 years. RF is a variable marker as well. I know what you are going through, but believe me the devil is not as black as he is painted. You have been through it for a year. One of the oldest and best RD in our city told me that the severe case is usually announce itself right away. What she is trying to tell you that people with positive RF have worse prognosis and she forgot to tell you that there are people with positive RF and they never even develop RA. Its all so relative! Severe cases are rare!!!!And now with all the drugs they have everybody has a good prognosis. Good luck!Thanks, Pepper.  I truly appreciate the information regarding severe cases showing up early in the disease process, especially coming from an experienced and well-respected RD.   Mine seems to be an alarmist.  
 
Thank goodness for the internet and the people on this site!
 
Nancy
Pepper -
 
Yeah, but the anti-candida diets say no grapes.  No beer.  No a lot of stuff.  It's kind of like 'feeding the critters'.  I'd like to do reservatrol, but I daren't - at least until I get this gone for good.  On the plus side, I had hoarded some diflucan and started using it weekly about 2 weeks ago and darn if I didn't herx this time.  That makes me think I'm making some good headway.  Don't you wish we could just wave a magic wand.  The slowness of healing just drives me up the wall!
 
Nancy - You can be Palindromic with - CCP and +RF (me) or + CCP and -RF (a friend) and all the ranges from screaming high to almost non-existant.  Just like regular RA.  It sounds like you have a newbie rheumy who gets to get an extremely rare PRA person too.  Not a good combo, IMHO.  I wonder if her AP failure was her fault.  Doesn't sound like she understands the nuances of PRA, let alone AP.  I think I'm at 80% (90%???) remission rate with PRA peeps on AP - I'm tracking us - too bad I don't count. 
 
Hugs,
 
Pip

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Hi all, I am sorry to read about everyone’s struggles with arthritis – my team and I have read a number of your postings. I work for Corbett Accel Healthcare Group in Chicago, IL and my team is conducting a research project (no sales involved) on new therapies for Rheumatoid Arthritis. We would like to get the opinions of people who have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis or Undifferentiated (Inflammatory) Arthritis in the past year.

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Hi Nancy, I am sorry to read about your struggles with arthritis. I work for Corbett Accel Healthcare Group in Chicago, IL and my team is conducting a research project (no sales involved) on new therapies for RA. We would like to get the opinions of people who have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis or Undifferentiated (Inflammatory) Arthritis in the past year.

I have read through your postings and would like to ask if you would participate in a 1-hour phone interview. If you qualify you would receive for your time.

To find out if you qualify, please call me at 312-475-7857.

The deadline for responses is Friday, October 24.  Thanks for your consideration.

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dude.. did you see the date of her post????  it's been four months 
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