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From FACTCHECK.ORG:
 
McCain-Palin ad has FactCheck.org calling Obama's attacks on Palin "absolutely false" and "misleading." That's what we said, but it wasn't about Obama.

Our article criticized anonymous e-mail falsehoods and bogus claims about Palin posted around the Internet. We have no evidence that any of the claims we found to be false came from the Obama campaign.

The McCain-Palin ad also twists a quote from a Wall Street Journal columnist. He said the Obama camp had sent a team to Alaska to "dig into her record and background." The ad quotes the WSJ as saying the team was sent to "dig dirt."
 
We don't object to people reprinting our articles. In fact, our copyright policy encourages it. But we've also asked that "the editorial integrity of the article be preserved" and told those who use our items that "you should not edit the original in such a way as to alter the message."

 
With its latest ad, released Sept. 10, the McCain-Palin campaign has altered our message in a fashion we consider less than honest. The ad strives to convey the message that FactCheck.org said "completely false" attacks on Gov. Sarah Palin had come from Sen. Barack Obama. We said no such thing. We have yet to dispute any claim from the Obama campaign about Palin.

 
FOR COMPLETE ARTICLE SEE:
 
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccain-palin_distorts_our_finding.html
 
 
Joie2008-09-10 14:02:47Four years ago the Bush campaign used the same tactics against Kerry and they worked.  Money talks, morals walk  The fundamental christians who have so much to say are extremely quiet when it comes to this sort of thing.  The Republican party has changed a great deal in the past 20 years.
AnnConsidering all the falsehoods they spread about Obama (like the lie about being Muslim), why should they care. I remember how they use to call Chelsea ugly and worse words and now they claim hands off the pregnant one.

I want to know if she has now changed her views about children not receiving birth control information in school. Guess parents are NOT good at explaining it after all.

What do you expect anyone to say?  It's wrong to manipulate the truth.  It's not more wrong to do it to factcheck than it is to do it to anyone else.  It's not more wrong when republicans do it than when democrats do it.  If you read factcheck, you know that both sides distort the truth.  So what does that mean, that it's ok since both sides do it?  Nope.  I just means that both sides are wrong when they do it.  But don't try and pretend you think that it's something unique to republicans. 

 
FROM FACTCHECK.ORG:
 
A McCain campaign ad claims Obama's "one accomplishment" was a bill to teach sex ed to kindergarten kids. Don't believe it.
 
Summary
 
A McCain-Palin campaign ad claims Obama's "one accomplishment" in the area of education was "legislation to teach 'comprehensive sex education' to kindergarteners." But the claim is simply false, and it dates back to Alan Keyes' failed race against Obama for an open Senate seat in 2004.

Obama, contrary to the ad's insinuation, does not support explicit sex education for kindergarteners. And the bill, which would have allowed only "age appropriate" material and a no-questions-asked opt-out policy for parents, was not his accomplishment to claim in any case, since he was not even a cosponsor – and the bill never left the state Senate.

In addition, the ad quotes unflattering assessments of the Illinois senator's record on education but leaves out sometimes equally harsh criticism directed at McCain in the same forums.
FOR ANALYSIS SEE:
 
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html
 
 
 
FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS
 

McCain criticizes Obama vote on sex ed legislation

By CHRISTOPHER WILLS – September 10, 2008

CHICAGO (AP) — Republican John McCain's presidential campaign released a new television ad Tuesday that says Democratic rival Barack Obama is bad for families because he supports sex education for kindergarteners. Obama's campaign called the ad a "shameful" distortion.

The ad says Obama has a weak record on education and that his only accomplishment was legislation to teach sex education to kindergarteners.

"Learning about sex before learning to read?" the ad says. "Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family."

But the legislation was not Obama's, it never became law and it would have required age-appropriate information in schools. Obama has said that means warning young children about sexual predators and explaining concepts like "good touch and bad touch."

"It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.

For complete article see:
 
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5lQ8Xt2nV-ZIMVgsE4TK63RSyCwD933JR5O0
 
Joie2008-09-10 17:41:35Bird Girrl,  I had forgotten about the ugly things said about Chelsea when she was just a child.   I can't hold this woman totally responsible for her daughter's  pregnancy, but I surely don't like the campaign making up truths about her experience in government.  Put her out there on the talk/interview shows and let us judge for ourselves when she answers questions and doesn't have a prepared script written for her.  And, put aside the religious issues that do not belong in politics.  We have the right to worship the God we please and not have someone's opinion shoved down our throats.  As for the Republican presidential candidate, I am really concerned about his radical change in thinking and his poor choice of a running mate who is not prepared to ever become President.  I had thought better of him. I'm getting the impression that he has sold out to the "base" of the party in order to be elected and that is very sad for a man of his caliber.
Ann

Evidently the McCain campaign has hired the same person who worked for Bush in 2000 and conducted the whisper campaign about the McCains' "black illegitimate baby."  (They were referring to the daughter who was adopted from Bangldesh.)  This really hurt McCain at the time. 

Now he is hiring this person to work for him!  Amazing!  Well, it worked for Bush.
 
FactCheck is supposed to be non-partisan but it's part of Annenberg and they aren't exactly squeaky clean being that they fund a lot of material aired on PBS. They almost always get into print when the Republicans do something and rarely when the Demos do.

NewsBusters is much better at holding the liberals feet to the fire.
FACTCHECK.ORG

Distorting the DHL Deal

An AFL-CIO flier and Obama campaign ads say that McCain cost Ohioans 8,000 jobs. We say that's a distortion of the record.

Summary
Ads from the AFL-CIO and the Obama campaign claim that McCain is partly to blame for the loss of more than 8,000 jobs in Ohio. They paint a false picture.

There's at least some truth in both ads: German-based DHL announced a deal that could result in 8,200 lost jobs in Wilmington, Ohio. And McCain did in fact oppose an amendment that would have kept DHL from buying Wilmington-based Airborne Express. McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, was also a DHL lobbyist charged with easing the merger through the Senate.

But the ads go too far. Some statements about McCain are misleading and some of the inferences the ads invite are unsubstantiated:

 < id=_130446 name=_130446>The ads charge that McCain opposition to a 2003 amendment helped DHL and amounted to turning his back on workers. That's misleading. McCain said he opposed a version of the amendment because it was a special project inserted into an unrelated bill, not to help DHL. And the Teamsters union praised the merger at the time, saying that it would lead to more jobs. And at first, more jobs indeed followed.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/153299/page/1
 
The AFL-CIO is spending .4 million on its
      grass-roots mobilization to persuade members to come out for Obama.
 
Think about that for just a few minutes. Talking about a campaign contribution. Luckily, they always get repaid ten times over. Senator Obama has already promised billions of taxpayer dollars to the auto industy and unions. Criminal, absolutely legally criminal.
 
LEV
 
[QUOTE=mab52]FactCheck is supposed to be non-partisan but it's part of Annenberg and they aren't exactly squeaky clean being that they fund a lot of material aired on PBS. They almost always get into print when the Republicans do something and rarely when the Demos do.

NewsBusters is much better at holding the liberals feet to the fire.
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Well, if levlarry posts about Factcheck.org's critique of an Obama political ad, it must be a reliable site and also demonstrates that it is non=partisan.  Nonpartisan, and a site with a reputation for accuracy, that's why the McCain ad referenced them  -- though misleadingly -- but Factcheck busted the McCain campaign for misrepresenting them.
 
We all know that political ads are not always filled with "straight talk."  What Factcheck enables voters to do, is make the distinction between which campaign sinks the lowest.
 
Oh, and by the way, Factcheck.org IS funded by the Annenberg Foundation, which was started by the publisher of that radical, left-wing publication, the "TV Guide." 
 
 
 
   

Hey ladies.

How about you all just putting an X next to Obams' name in the voting booth and put a lid on all your bull s__t.
"radical, left-wing publication, the "TV Guide."  "
 
OMG - hilarious!
 
Pip
You can tell they favor more liberal shows.  They get WAY better descriptions than the more conservative programs.Just goes to show, you can't believe everything you hear on the news:
 
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10/cnn-reports-palin-bikini-photo-but-fails-to-tell-viewers-its-a-fake
Let me make this perfectly clear. Just because I use a quote or post from an organization or newspaper absolutely does not mean that I believe that therefore they are honest or not biased. It is fact that some few times, even the New York Times prints articles that are true and honest but everyone knows that the New York Times is one of if not the most biased dishonest newspaper in print today. I do have a slight belief that FactCheck may be a little slanted toward Senator Obama. The reason I say that is that the few FactCheck articles that I have read, it seems that they are somewhat more lenient in there wording of Obama's mis-representaions. If you read the article that I posted from FactCheck concerning the deceptive ads by Obama and the AFL-CIO, the author states that the ad is a distortion of the record and the ads paint a false picture but shortly there after the author states that "there's at least some truth in both ads." That statement would lead the reader to believe that since part of the ad is true then McCain must have some part in the loss of 8,000 jobs when in fact if you read the complete article the parts of the ads that were true, when fully explained were in the favor of JSM, therefore I feel that FactCheck knew that the way it was worded would be taken in a derogatory and misleading way to the reader and leave the impression that JSM was somewhat responsible for the loss of 8,000 jobs and also knowing that the second page is gobbilty goop and most readers won't read past the first and certainly not past the boring second page. In short, I certainly do not endorse FactCheck as unbiased and totally honest and it's my opinion that at least in these ads they show a bias.
 
Also, for FactCheck to take so lightly the Obama stance on sex education to five years old also shows a bias. Anybody that thinks that sex should be taught to a five year old is or should be doing crack. What the blank is "age appropriate sex education"? Mommy and Daddy tell five year olds to not talk to strangers and let mommy and daddy know if the teacher or anyone seems to be touching and feeling them. Age appropriate sex indeed. If schools would get back to teaching what they should be teaching and leave parenting to parents our children would be much better of.
 
LEV
 
[QUOTE=Linncn]Just goes to show, you can't believe everything you hear on the news:
 
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10/cnn-reports-palin-bikini-photo-but-fails-to-tell-viewers-its-a-fake
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I always thought that CNN was above Tabloid MSNBC but maybe not so, I hear Olberman got the boot...true?
[QUOTE=Linncn]Just goes to show, you can't believe everything you hear on the news:
 
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10/cnn-reports-palin-bikini-photo-but-fails-to-tell-viewers-its-a-fake
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Duh, everybody knows about photoshop and how photos can be easily altered these days.  I figured it for a fake.
 
For reliable news coverage that represents both sides, with representatives from opposing viewpoints -- with a moderator -- I watch PBS McNeil/Lehr Newshour at 6 pm.
 

So what are you saying Joy?  Cuz it sounds like you're saying that it's ok for CNN to report lies because everybody probably knows they're lies.  I'm misunderstanding you, right?

Liberal Bias Quantified in Media Study
NewsMax .com
Thursday, Dec. 16, 2004
Is there really a left-wing bias in most of the nation’s largest print and television news media?

  Absolutely, say researchers who are conducting an ongoing examination of mainstream news coverage.

In its December 13 edition, the Weekly Standard reports that a pair of university professors has employed a unique research technique that is precise enough to assign actual bias values to each media outlet examined.

Developed by Tim Groseclose of UCLA and Jeffrey Milyo of the University of Missouri, the study is called, “A Measure of Media Bias,” and it reportedly measures with some objectivity the political leanings of publishers and broadcasters of hard news.

According to Robert J. Barro, the Paul M. Warburg Professor of Economics at Harvard University, who discussed the project with the Standard, the professors “use a clever statistical technique to construct an objective measure of conservative or liberal bias in the news coverage of major U.S. television and radio stations, newspapers, magazines and the Internet.”

Barro, who is also a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, said the study illustrates “that the liberal inclination of the mainstream media is clear.”

Barro explained to the Standard that Groseclose and Milyo have developed a variation of the ratings of U.S. Congressional voting records issued by Americans for Democratic Action (ADA). It’s a 0-100 scale – the higher the score, the more liberal the position.

The well known rating system – when applied to the congress – uses a calculus that among other things determines how often congressmen and senators favorably mention 200 prominent think tanks in speeches. Those lawmakers referring favorably to conservative think tanks achieve a score skewed to the conservative or lower end of the ADA scale. Those referring favorably to liberal think tanks move up the scale – into the more liberal zone.

The researchers simply gauged the tendency of 20 prominent media outlets to cite favorably those same think tanks in news stories. The theory is that Media outlets, like the lawmakers, which refer favorably to conservative or liberal think tanks, move up and down the scale accordingly.

Whether the alchemy is foolproof or not, the results are telling. According to Groseclose and Milyo, the most liberally biased news product is the Wall Street Journal, with a rating of 85.1.

The New York Times’ rating of 73.7 puts it even with Dan Rather and the CBS Evening News – the most biased news program on television.

Meanwhile, Fox News with Brit Hume and The Washington Times rank as the most conservative, with ratings of 39.7 and 35.4 respectively.

Some mainstream outlets came out of the alchemy as very middle-of-the-road. For example, ABC’s Good Morning, America scored a rating of 56.1; CNN News Night with Aaron Brown a 56.0; and the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer a 55.8 rating.

The only Internet journalist put through the ringer, Matt Drudge and his popular “DrudgeReport,” was just left-of-center, with a rating of 60.4.

Here’s a run down on how top media outlets scored:

  • Wall Street Journal 85.1

  • New York Times 73.7

  • CBS Evening News 73.7

  • Los Angeles Times – 70.0

  • CBS Early Show – 66.6

  • Washington Post – 66.6

  • Newsweek – 66.3

  • NPR Morning Edition – 66.3

  • US News and World Report – 65.8

  • Time Magazine – 65.4

  • NBC Today Show – 64.0

  • USA Today (the country’s No. 1 newspaper, in terms of circulation) – 63.4

  • NBC Nightly News – 61.6

  • ABC World News Tonight 61.0

  • DrudgeReport 60.4

  • ABC Good Morning America 56.1

  • CNN with Aaron Brown 56.0

  • News Hour with Jim Lehrer 55.8

  • Fox News with Brit Hume 39.7

  • Washington Times 35.4

    A paradox, noted Barro, was that the major media is even more biased to the left than Democratic members of Congress.

    “Thus,” he said, “if the political opinions of viewers, listeners, and readers are similar to those of their elected representatives, the political leanings of most of the media are far to the left of those of most of their customers.”

    He says such mismatch could lead to some financial opportunities for conservative or -- at a minimum -- balanced, publications.

    Some in the mainstream media agree there is a bias, but claim it is skewed towards conservatives and Republicans.

    “We have an ideological press that’s interested in the election of Republicans, and a mainstream press that’s interested in the bottom line,” says former PBS newscaster Bill Moyers, who retires today from his taxpayer-supported gig.

    Eric Alterman, a columnist for the The Nation and author of the recent book, “What Liberal Media?” also says if anything, there is a right-wing slant to the news.

    “In distinct contrast to the conclusions reached by Ann Coulter, Bernard Goldberg, Sean Hannity, and Bill O’Reilly, Alterman finds the media to be, on the whole, far more conservative than liberal, though it is possible to find evidence for both views,” says a book description.

    “The fact that conservatives howl so much louder and more effectively than liberals is one significant reason that big media is always on its guard for ‘liberal’ bias but gives conservative bias a free pass.”

    But despite those protestations, Barro says Fox News’ success may herald a new era in journalism where the left does not thoroughly dominate with its bias.

    “Fox News is probably only the beginning,” Barro writes. “Maybe the next conservative entrant will be a recreated CBS News.”

  • [QUOTE=Linncn]

    So what are you saying Joy?  Cuz it sounds like you're saying that it's ok for CNN to report lies because everybody probably knows they're lies.  I'm misunderstanding you, right?

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    Since you are so quick to misunderstand me, and ridiculously suggest I think it's ok for the media to report lies, let me spell it out, nooooooooooo, it's noooootttttt oooookkkkaaaayyyy for anyone to report lies.
     
    I will repost what you misunderstood, notice the second paragraph, I watch the McNeil/Lehr News Hour.  And unlike many other news programs, on cable or the major networks, it devotes more than a few minutes to discuss complex issues, it has discussions between people with opposing viewpoints -- a Democrat and a Republican, a representative for McCain and Obama, a "pro" person and a "con" person -- and to keep discussions on keel, they have a moderator.  This is what I watch to be better informed.
     
    What I earlier posted and you misunderstood:
     
           "Duh, everybody knows about photoshop and how photos can be easily altered these days.  I figured it for a fake.
     
             For reliable news coverage that represents both sides, with representatives from opposing viewpoints -- with a moderator -- I watch PBS McNeil/Lehr Newshour at 6 pm."
     
    Now, where in that do you get I say its okay for CNN to report lies.  I actually agree with you -- people shouldn't believe everything they hear or read -- they shouldn't be so gullible, so easily deceived, they need to think for themselves.
     
      
    Maybe the media is more biased toward Obama because they know he is the best choice! 
     
    Just joking, don't get your shorts in a twist boys!

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200512220003

    Former fellows at conservative think tanks issued flawed UCLA-led study on media's "liberal bias"
    Summary: News outlets including CNN cited a study of several major media outlets by a UCLA political scientist and a University of Missouri-Columbia economist purporting to "show a strong liberal bias." But the study employed a measure of "bias" so problematic that its findings are next to useless, and the authors -- both former fellows at conservative think tanks cited in the study to illustrate liberal bias -- seem unaware of the substantial scholarly work that exists on the topic.



    In recent days, news outlets including CNN cited a study of several major media outlets, "A Measure of Media Bias" (pdf) by political scientist Timothy J. Groseclose of UCLA and economist Jeffrey D. Milyo of the University of Missouri-Columbia, purporting to demonstrate that America's news content has "a strong liberal bias." But the UCLA-led study employed a measure of "bias" so problematic that its findings are next to useless. In addition, the authors -- apparently new to media content analysis -- seem unaware of the substantial scholarly work that exists on the topic, yet they do cite a number of right-wing sources to provide support for their claims.

    Given the study's conclusions (that the media is replete with liberal bias) and the study's failure to acknowledge its authors' conservative pedigree, it is not surprising that a number of conservative news outlets picked up the story, as did a few mainstream outlets. Conservative MSNBC host Tucker Carlson interviewed Milyo about the study on the December 19 edition of MSNBC's The Situation with Tucker Carlson. The study was also cited by anchor Jack Cafferty during the December 20 edition of CNN's The Situation Room; on the December 19 editions of Fox News' Fox & Friends and Special Report with Brit Hume; in a December 19 article in The Commercial Appeal of Memphis, Tennessee; and in a December 20 Investor's Business Daily editorial by Edward R. Stephanopoulos. CBS News' Public Eye weblog also featured a post about the study.

    None of the outlets that reported on the study mentioned that the authors have previously received funding from the three premier conservative think tanks in the United States: the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI), The Heritage Foundation, and the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace. Groseclose was a Hoover Institution 2000-2001 national fellow; Milyo, according to his CV (pdf), received a ,500 grant from AEI; and, according to The Philanthropy Roundtable, Groseclose and Milyo were named by Heritage as Salvatori fellows in 1997. In 1996, Groseclose and Milyo co-authored a piece for the right-wing magazine The American Spectator, titled "Lost Shepherd," criticizing the then-recently defeated member of Congress Karen Shepherd (D-UT) and defending her successor, Enid Greene (R-UT); when the piece was published, Greene was in the midst of a campaign contribution scandal and later agreed to pay a civil penalty after the Federal Election Commission found (pdf) that she violated campaign finance laws.

    Study riddled with flaws

    In "A Measure of Media Bias" (pdf), Groseclose and Milyo attempted to "measure media bias by estimating ideological scores for several major media outlets" based on the frequency with which various think tanks and advocacy organizations were cited approvingly by the media and by members of Congress over a 10-year period. In order to assess media "bias," Groseclose and Milyo assembled the ideological scores given to members of Congress by the liberal group Americans for Democratic Action; examined the floor speeches of selected members to catalog which think tanks and policy organizations were cited by those members; used those citations as the basis for an ideological score assigned to each think tank (organizations cited by liberal members were scored as more liberal, whereas organizations cited by conservative members were scored as more conservative); then performed a content analysis of newspapers and TV programs to catalog which think tanks and policy organizations were quoted. If a news organization quoted a think tank mentioned by conservative members of Congress, then it was said to have a conservative "bias." As Groseclose and Milyo put it:

    As a simplified example, imagine that there were only two think tanks, and suppose that the New York Times cited the first think tank twice as often as the second. Our method asks: What is the estimated ADA score of a member of Congress who exhibits the same frequency (2:1) in his or her speeches? This is the score that our method would assign the New York Times.

    In other words, the study rests on a presumption that can only be described as bizarre: If a member of Congress cites a think tank approvingly, and if that think tank is also cited by a news organization, then the news organization has a "bias" making it an ideological mirror of the member of Congress who cited the think tank. This, as Groseclose and Milyo define it, is what constitutes "media bias."

    When Carlson asked him to explain the study, Milyo misrepresented his own study. Milyo noted that the study did not look at editorials, then said, "Of course, but that's how bias sneaks into news coverage. The reporter doesn't say, 'I think this.' He says, 'According to our expert, say, Barbra Streisand, this is true.' Right? It's the choice of the experts that allows the opinion to get in." But Milyo's example of Streisand -- as though a news organization would actually cite her as an "expert" -- is flawed, considering that the study examined only mentions of think tanks and advocacy organizations (not of individual experts). Milyo ended his interview by telling Carlson, "My wife's a big fan [of Carlson]."

    Definition of bias categorized ACLU as conservative

    Any quantitative study of this sort must take a complex idea -- in this case, "bias" -- and operationalize it into something that can be measured. But given its rather odd operationalization of "bias," it is perhaps unsurprising that the study's scheme leads to some categorizations no observer -- on the right or the left -- could take seriously, including the following:

    National Rifle Association of America (NRA) scored a 45.9, making it "conservative" -- but just barely.
    RAND Corporation, a nonprofit research organization (motto: "OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS. EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS.") with strong ties to the Defense Department, scored a 60.4, making it a "liberal" group.
    Council on Foreign Relations, whose tagline is "A Nonpartisan Resource for Information and Analysis" (its current president is a former Bush administration official; its board includes prominent Democrats and Republicans from the foreign policy establishment) scored a 60.2, making it a "liberal" group.
    American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), bête noire of the right, scored a 49.8, putting it just on the "conservative" side of the ledger.
    Center for Responsive Politics, a group whose primary purpose is the maintenance of databases on political contributions, scored a 66.9, making it highly "liberal."
    Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a defense policy think tank whose board of directors is currently chaired by former Representative Dave McCurdy (D-OK), scored a 33.9, making it more "conservative" than AEI and than the National Taxpayers Union.
    We leave to the reader the judgment on whether anyone could take seriously a coding scheme in which RAND is considered substantially more "liberal" than the ACLU. But this is not the only problem with Groseclose and Milyo's study; they lump together advocacy groups and think tanks that perform dramatically different functions. For instance, according to their data, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) is the third most-quoted group on the list. But stories about race relations that include a quote from an NAACP representative are unlikely to be "balanced" with quotes from another group on their list. Their quotes will often be balanced by quotes from an individual, depending on the nature of the story; however, because there are no pro-racism groups of any legitimacy (or on Groseclose and Milyo's list), such stories will be coded as having a "liberal bias." On the other hand, a quote from an NRA spokesperson can and often will be balanced with one from another organization on Groseclose and Milyo's list, Handgun Control, Inc. (Nonetheless, this reference is somewhat confusing, since Handgun Control was renamed the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence on June 14, 2001, and there is no reference to the Brady Campaign in the study or clarification of the name change; therefore, it is impossible to determine from reading the study if Groseclose and Milyo's score reflects post-2001 citations by legislators and the media of the group under its new name.)

    It is not hard to imagine perfectly balanced news stories that Groseclose and Milyo would score as biased in one direction or the other, given the study's methodology. For instance, an article that quoted a member of Congress taking one side of an issue, and then quoted a think tank scholar taking the other side, would be coded as "biased" in the direction of whichever side was represented by the think tank scholar. Since Groseclose and Milyo's measure of "bias" is restricted to citations of think tank and advocacy groups, this kind of miscategorization is inevitable.

    Groseclose and Milyo's discussion of the idea of bias assumes that if a reporter quotes a source, then the opinion expressed by that source is an accurate measure of the reporter's beliefs -- an assumption that most, if not all, reporters across the ideological spectrum would find utterly ridiculous. A Pentagon reporter must often quote Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld; however, the reporter's inclusion of a Rumsfeld quotation does not indicate that Rumsfeld's opinion mirrors the personal opinion of the reporter.

    Upon seeing how their coding scheme categorized different groups, the authors might have reconsidered the wisdom of their operationalization of "bias." But apparently they did not. Their odd categorizations led to some startling conclusions, including the result stating that The Wall Street Journal has more "liberal bias" than any news outlet they surveyed. Although they are concerned only with the Journal's news pages and not its highly conservative editorial page, the Journal is respected on both the right and the left, and it would be shocking to hear even the most rabid right-winger assert that the Journal is America's most liberal news outlet. (Click here to read a statement by a spokesman for The Wall Street Journal's publisher, Dow Jones & Company, in response to Groseclose and Milyo's study.)

    The authors also display a remarkable ignorance of previous work on the subject of media bias. In their section titled "Some Previous Studies of Media Bias," they name only three studies that address the issue at more than a theoretical level. All three studies are, to put it kindly, questionable:

    1) One study concluded that, since conservatives say in surveys that the media are biased, the media are probably biased.

    2) Another study examined the geographic distribution of subscriptions to newsmagazines (perhaps the only extant study utilizing a method of assessing bias more indirect than Groseclose and Milyo's own) and concluded that, since there are more subscriptions in more heavily Democratic areas, the magazines probably have a liberal bias.

    3) Yet another study, which Media Matters for America has addressed previously, was co-authored by AEI resident scholar John R. Lott Jr.

    Citations of scholarly media studies absent

    Although the authors seem completely unaware of it, in reality there have been dozens of rigorous quantitative studies on media bias and hundreds of studies that address the issue in some way. One place the authors might have looked had they chosen to conduct an actual literature review would have been a 2000 meta-analysis published in the Journal of Communication (the flagship journal of the International Communication Association, the premier association of media scholars). The abstract of the study, titled "Media bias in presidential elections: a meta-analysis," reads as follows:

    A meta-analysis considered 59 quantitative studies containing data concerned with partisan media bias in presidential election campaigns since 1948. Types of bias considered were gatekeeping bias, which is the preference for selecting stories from one party or the other; coverage bias, which considers the relative amounts of coverage each party receives; and statement bias, which focuses on the favorability of coverage toward one party or the other. On the whole, no significant biases were found for the newspaper industry. Biases in newsmagazines were virtually zero as well. However, meta-analysis of studies of television network news showed small, measurable, but probably insubstantial coverage and statement biases.

    Standard scholarly practice dictates the assembly of a literature review as part of any published study, and meta-analyses, as they gather together the findings of multiple studies, are particularly critical to literature reviews. That Groseclose and Milyo overlooked not only the Journal of Communication meta-analysis, but also the 59 studies it surveyed, raises questions about the seriousness with which they conducted this study.

    Indeed, they seem to be unaware that an academic discipline of media studies even exists. Their bibliography includes works by right-wing media critics such as Media Research Center founder and president L. Brent Bozell III and Accuracy in Media founder Reed Irvine (now deceased), as well as an article from the right-wing website WorldNetDaily. But Groseclose and Milyo failed to cite a single entry from any of the dozens of respected scholarly journals of communication and media studies in which media bias is a relatively frequent topic of inquiry -- nothing from Journal of Communication, Communication Research, Journalism and Mass Communication Quarterly, Journal of Broadcasting & Electronic Media, Political Communication, or any other media studies journal.

    UCLA's December 14 press release announcing Groseclose and Milyo's study quoted Groseclose as follows: "A media person would have never done this study. It takes a Congress scholar even to think of using ADA scores as a measure. And I don't think many media scholars would have considered comparing news stories to congressional speeches." Groseclose is only too correct, and he might have gone on to say that a media scholar would have at the very least been familiar with the relevant literature. As to whether the use of congressional speeches and ADA scores has yielded some new insight, Groseclose's self-congratulation seems less than warranted.

    Charge of liberal bias unsubstantiated

    The authors' ignorance comes through in ways large and small; for instance, in one regression model, they include a variable coding each think tank as having an address on or off K Street, "the famous street for lobbying firms" -- as though its address indicates the nature of an organization. While it is true that some lobbying firms are located on K Street, many are not; in any case, when it comes to think tanks and policy groups, whether the organization's offices are located on K Street (as opposed to L Street or M Street) is unrelated to position on the political or ideological spectrum and is, therefore, a completely meaningless indicator. Groseclose and Milyo may be interested to learn that not all advertising firms are located on New York's Madison Avenue, and some businesses on Madison Avenue are not advertising firms.

    Finally, of particular note is the way the study's authors toss about the word "bias" indiscriminately. We at Media Matters for America are particularly careful to make no accusations of bias, since saying a journalist or news outlet has a "bias" assumes that the one making the charge knows what lies within another's heart or mind. For this reason, most claims that the media are "biased" are problematic at best. But Professors Groseclose and Milyo have made charges of bias that are among the least substantiated we have encountered, even as they assessed what is at most a small piece of a much larger question. Even if their study were not riddled with methodological red flags and results that lack what scholars call "face validity" (or what is more commonly known as the "laugh test"), the notion that "bias" can be assessed by matching think tank citations of news organizations and members of Congress seems questionable in the extreme.

    —P.W.[QUOTE=Linncn]Just goes to show, you can't believe everything you hear on the news:
     
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10/cnn-reports-palin-bikini-photo-but-fails-to-tell-viewers-its-a-fake
    [/QUOTE]
     
    Well, as Linncn has pointed out in her above comment, CNN is unreliable, reports "lies," so how can one believe or find credible, CNN's report on Groseclose's and Milyo's claims that America's news content has "a strong liberal bias?"
     
     
     
        
     
    The amazing thing is that incredibly flawed report came out 3 years ago and even though it's been meticulously analysed and found to be rubbish by real experts, but neo-cons are still dragging it out of the trash as "proof" that the lie they repeat so often; the lie that media is fundamentally liberal, is true.


    Guess if one keeps repeating and repeating the same old tired lie -- its perceived as truth.  You know, like:
     
    "I told Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks, on that Bridge to Nowhere.'  If our state wanted to build a bridge, we were going to build it ourselves."
     
    Yeah, right, and that 8 million earmarked for the bridge, uh, thanks -- will keep that!
     
     
    FROM NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO
     
     
    September 11, 2008 · Pretty much wherever she goes on the stump, Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin tells voters she killed Alaska's now-infamous "Bridge to Nowhere" in portraying herself as an anti-pork-barrel reformer.

    And yet, pretty much every time journalists have compared Palin's record with her rhetoric on that proposed bridge, they've called a foul. The results — whether from CBS News, USA Today, the Anchorage Daily News, NPR or some other outlet — have been remarkably consistent. The surprising thing is how little effect that journalistic fact-checking has had on the campaign trail.

    "It is pretty striking that so many news organizations have looked into this independently and come to the same conclusion — that she didn't play that much of a role in ending the bridge," says Bill Adair of the St. Petersburg Times and the Web site PolitiFact.com. "And yet they continue to say it — day in and day out.

    "I just hope the voters will stop to take the time to learn what's true and what's not — from us or from some other source — and then make their own judgment," Adair says.

    For complete article see:
     
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94499884
     
    [QUOTE=Joie]"I just hope the voters will stop to take the time to learn what's true and what's not — from us or from some other source — and then make their own judgment," Adair says.
    [/QUOTE]
     
    Clearly from what we have seen here, they will not.  They have already made up their minds, and will grasp onto anything which supports their choice, whether it is true or not.  We see that time and time again here.  Gimpy posted this as a way to dispute the "bias" facts:
     
    "In recent days, news outlets including CNN cited a study of several major media outlets, "A Measure of Media Bias" (pdf) by political scientist Timothy J. Groseclose of UCLA and economist Jeffrey D. Milyo of the University of Missouri-Columbia, purporting to demonstrate that America's news content has "a strong liberal bias." But the UCLA-led study employed a measure of "bias" so problematic that its findings are next to useless. In addition, the authors -- apparently new to media content analysis -- seem unaware of the substantial scholarly work that exists on the topic, yet they do cite a number of right-wing sources to provide support for their claims." [END]
     
    Those are the facts according to CNN, Duh, uh. When someone posts that Tucker Carlson on MSNBC is conservative, you know they've been eating tainted seal meat.
     
    Anybody that watches any of the news media and still says that CNN and MSNBC and CBS aren't democrat news machines, should not be allowed to even use the word truth. To have watched any of those news groups during the conventions you would have seen that with every speech given by the democrats, it was applauded for the integrity and greatness of the speach and speaker and during the republican convention every single speach was picked apart along with the speaker. Anyone that says that CNN and NYT are not totally biased shouldn't be allowed to own a seal club. It's just that simple.
     
    Hey Joi, How 'bout this lie, "I will debate John McCain anywhere, anytime." I wonder who said that? How 'bout this Lie, "I never heard Reverand Wright's anti Us, anti white sermons." Twenty years. The Mission statement said that it was a "pro black church" until they quickly changed the statement. He probably never read the churches mission statement either. Have you ever read Michelle's Princeton thesis? And all yous can talk about is the bridge to nowhere. Look how good of a leader Palin is. It sounded good (the bridge) until she investigated it and found that it was a scam. And yes, she kept the money and used it for the infrastructure of honest projects. What's the difference between her and the democrats way? If the dems had kept the money, they woud have found a way to funnel it to friends and relatives. Obama has asked for nearly one billion dollars in earmarks in three years. And Obamas friends and relatives have been very benefited by Baracks political posts.
     
    LEV
    Can you actually read, Lev? CNN reported the results of the skewed study like other media outlets. CNN had nothing to do with the analasys I posted. The analasys is from a media watchdog.

    I used all short sentences and easy words so maybe you could understand what you're reading.

    How funny is it that GAGG uses Media Matters to dispell the Lib Media bias. Does anybody else see the humor  in this??Well, that's just like a right wing bigot to debate the person rather than the facts.
    6T5, please stop refering to me as GAGG. It only reflects poorly on yourself.And it's rude 6t5 - you're better than these other Bozo's - conservative but better.
     
    GoGo - damn, I was rolling reading this.  You too Joy.  Little words.  LOL
     
    And Jas, come on, don't twist a persons words like the media does.
     
    Hugs all around,
     
    Pip
    [QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Well, that's just like a right wing bigot to debate the person rather than the facts.
    6T5, please stop refering to me as GAGG. It only reflects poorly on yourself.[/QUOTE]
     
    GAGG, Well a couple of days ago you were pontificating about how we should debate and not call people names. Typical Liberal. I abbreviate quite often peoples names Gimpy A Go Go...hence GAGG, just like you do. . It's Friday, Change your bong water. 
    [QUOTE=Pip!]And it's rude 6t5 - you're better than these other Bozo's - conservative but better.
     
    GoGo - damn, I was rolling reading this.  You too Joy.  Little words.  LOL
     
    And Jas, come on, don't twist a persons words like the media does.
     
    Hugs all around,
     
    Pip
    [/QUOTE]
    Nice to know you think all conservatives are " Bozo's ". Your better then that PIP
    [QUOTE=6t5frlane] How funny is it that GAGG uses Media Matters to dispell the Lib Media bias. Does anybody else see the humor  in this??[/QUOTE]

    Well, you know what's ironic is I used a media watchdog who put a pretty detailed rebuttal (which any of you are invited to rebut, but only with facts, not insults) to a deeply flawed stidy designed by two extreme right wing wingnuts, so I guess that's actually pretty balanced.

    But you don't have to go by media watch's analasys. A simple google brings up a plethora of respectable sources denouncing the so-called "study",

    However, since 6T5 and LevLarry and some others obviously don't like truth to get in the way of their world view I'm afraid exposing them to any facts os just wheel spinning." Media Watchdog " Yeah Right. It's a George Sorus funded left wing looney binGetting back to Palin . . . she says she is ready to be vp or prez, but when Charlie Gibson in his interview last night asked her about the Bush Doctrine, she sat there like a deer in the headlights, duh?  Patient Charlie explained it to her --  the central foreign policy tenet of the current administration, which asserts the right to wage preventive strikes in the aftermath of terrorist attacks -- (remember yesterday was the anniversary of the Sept 11 attack.)
     
    Her insight into US relations with Russia, well, "they're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska ... from an island in Alaska."
     
    But enough about her, one has to consider the judgement of McCain in passing up several other qualified Republican women, Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine, Senator Kay Hutchinson of Texas for his running mate.  He says "country first," but clearly in his selection of palin, a 2 yr governor of a state of 670,000,  it his political amibition that he puts first.
      
    Their isn't a "Bush Doctrine".  It was a stupid question.  And what she did was ask for clarification.   Not stare like a"deer in the headlights".Ya know, I know my husband through and through.  I know what he thinks about things, I know where he stands.  If you ask me how I feel about his posistion on"X", I cantell you.  But if you ask me how I feel about the "Dennis Doctrine" I would ask you what , exactly, you mean.  Now, I ask you, would you then assume that I don't really know my husband??? [QUOTE=Linncn]Ya know, I know my husband through and through.  I know what he thinks about things, I know where he stands.  If you ask me how I feel about his posistion on"X", I cantell you.  But if you ask me how I feel about the "Dennis Doctrine" I would ask you what , exactly, you mean.  Now, I ask you, would you then assume that I don't really know my husband???[/QUOTE]

    Sarah should have crammed a little more on current, international events.  She said in last night's interview:
     
    "And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable."
     
    Russia invaded Georgia after the ex-Soviet republic invaded the separatist region of South Ossetia.  I knew that much, why didn't she?
     
    Oh well, I guess I should be reassured that she's keeping an eye on Russia, since she said "they're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska ... from an island in Alaska."
     
    Whew, I feel safer.
     
    What was it that Obama wanted to do?  Go to the UN security counsil where Russia has veto power?  Hilarious.  Neither Obama nor his 300 advisors were aware.  Does that reassure you Joy?

    I guess you didn't notice the editing.  She was cut mid sentance after..you can see Russia from here...

    [QUOTE=Linncn]What was it that Obama wanted to do?  Go to the UN security counsil where Russia has veto power?  Hilarious.  Neither Obama nor his 300 advisors were aware.  Does that reassure you Joy?[/QUOTE]
     
     
    ?????????
     
    Sarah said:  "For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable." 
     
    Unprovoked????  Russia invaded Georgia after Georgia  invaded South Ossetia. 
     
    If someone may be in the position to decide whether or not to take military action or go to war, I hope they get the facts right --  after this Administration we've learned how costly it is, in human lives and dollars, to go to war on wrong or nonexistent reasons.
        

    Oh right.  The liberal mantra.  Illegal war...Bush lied people died.  Bumper sticker politics.  It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with people who choose to ignore half the truth. 

    [QUOTE=Linncn]

    Oh right.  The liberal mantra.  Illegal war...Bush lied people died.  Bumper sticker politics.  It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with people who choose to ignore half the truth. 

    [/QUOTE]
     
    Hmm, people who choose to ignore the truth, that reminds me . . . today, on his appearance on the "The View", McCain said Palin did not request earmarks while governor.  The senior Senator must have been confused.
     
    FACT:
     
    The Anchorage Daily News, among others, has reported, in Ms. Palin’s first year as governor, she requested 52 earmarks valued at 6 million, and this year, her office asked the Alaska delegation in Washington to help land 31 earmarks valued at 7 million. Also, Citizens Against Government Waste ranks Alaska as having received the “most pork per capita” of all states this year.
     
     
    It's interesting to go to the Citizens against government waste website and look up info on my own state (Illinois).  Look at some of the stuff they classify as pork:


    • ,000,000 for certified local health department grants for anti-smoking programs;
    • ,000,000 for grants and expenses of the tobacco use prevention program, the BASUAH (Brothers
    and Sisters United Against HIV/ AIDS55) program, and asthma prevention.56 Despite its name,
    BASUAH is not a separate organization; rather, it is a Blagojevich-sponsored “expanded social
    marketing effort designed to reach the African-American community with education, prevention and
    testing.”57
    • ,955,000 to the University of Chicago’s transplant section for juvenile diabetes research;58
    • ,000,000 for expenses targeted to decrease health disparities in communities of color for breast
    and cervical cancer;59
    • ,000,000 to expand the availability of primary care for the Rural Health Center; 0,000 for the
    Rural Medical Education Program at the University of Illinois-Rockford; 1,700 for the Center for
    Rural Health; 0,000 for the Rural/ Downstate Health Access Program;60
    • ,900,000 to the University of Illinois for sickle cell research; 0,000 for the comprehensive
    sickle-cell clinic at University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) Medical Center.61 The clinic was first
    Illinois Policy Institute & Citizens Against Government Waste
    -9-
    2008 Illinois Piglet Book
    launched in 2001 with a grant from the state of Illinois. According to a UIC press release, the center
    was created to “treat children and adults and will have research and clinical components. It will also
    address social issues affecting patients and their families, such as jobs and insurance.”62
    • ,600,000 for the development of refugee health care;63
    • .2 million for prostate cancer public awareness initiative; 64
    • ,000,000 to the ALS Association Greater Chicago Chapter for research into discovering the cause
    and cure of ALS; 65
    • ,000,000 to the American Lung Association for operations of the Quitline;66
    • 0,000 for spinal cord injury research; ,000 for epilepsy treatment and education programs;
    ,000 for the prevention of blindness and the providing of eye care; ,000 for research
    dedicated to the elimination of brain tumors;
    • 7,000 for prostate cancer public awareness and screening;
    • There is another 0,000 for grants to public and private entities for prostate cancer research;67
    • 0,000 for Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) program68 – but in 2005, there were only 1,294
    infant deaths total in the state;69
    • 0,000 to Children’s Memorial Hospital for the Illinois Violent Death Reporting System to
    “analyze data, identify risk factors, and develop prevention efforts”;
    • 0,000 for the Les Turner ALS Foundation for ALS research;70
    • 0,000 to Shady Oaks Cerebral Palsy Camp for the purpose of purchasing handicap accessible
    playground equipment;71
    • ,000 to United Cerebral Palsy of Springfield for the purpose of purchasing therapy equipment;72
    and
    • ,000 for sarcoidosis research.73
    Here are the "pork" figures for 2008, from the website:


    ,784,790 - OBAMA
    9,654,708 - BIDEN
    0,000,000 - MCCAIN

    Gimpy,

    I kinda got lost in that thread that you posted in defence of new media bias. There was like paragraph after paragraph paragraph after paragraph after paragraph after paragraph after paragraph of gobblty-goop that really made no sense at all. As far as you using small words, I appreciate that. I remember that you would always post and use words with 13 letters that no-ones ever heard of, when you could have used the common word that everyone was familiar with that consisted of 4 letters. I always thought that you were trying to convince everyone that you had  big inteligence because you used big words. To me it just means you know big words that most people never use but certainly doesn't prove any inteligence, so once again, thanks for not doing that. I'm not going to comment anymore on the media bias post of yours. What I will say is that it doesn't take a scientist or rocket engineer to know what medias are biased. I did watch CNN during the republican and democrat conventions and I am being totally honest when I say that they are totally biased beyond shameful. I wouldn't say it if it weren't true. Anyone can watch for themselves and see the bias. Remember Dan Rather, CBS. They tried to sway an election with lies and fake letters? They had no idea that they would be found so quickly, before election time.

    Lies is when someone with palindromic arthritis comes to a rheumatoid arthritis forum and lies and tells everyone she has ra and that she's being healed of ra by the miracles of minocin. See, I know what a lie is.
     
    LEV
    So your argument is that the explaination was too long to bother with, and over your head, so therefore you are right.

    I would laugh but I can't seem to drum up any surprise.

    Smoke another joint.
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