, Obama’s plan would not replace or remove private insurance, or require people to enroll in a public plan. It would increase the offerings of publicly funded health care."
I wondered how Governor Palin could claim Sen. McCain's health proposal was "budget neutral." According to both the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center and the U.S. Budget Watch, Sen. McCain's health proposal would "increase" the budget deficit. Governor Palin also did not mention that if you received insurance through your employer, that the benefit amount paid by the employer would become taxable income for the employee. A health insurance plan for a family averages around ,000 a year. The ,000 tax credit would not always offset the additional tax on the higher taxable income.
Sen. McCain's plan could result in employers discontinuing providing health insurance. Younger, healthier employees could opt out of employer's plans for cheaper plans on the individual health insurance market. This would leave older, sicker employees in the employer's health insurance pool. The employer's insurance costs would go up and the employer could drop health insurance benefits. That would leave older, sicker employees, many with pre existing conditions to try and purchase individual health insurance. Many with preexisting conditions are denied coverage, their recourse would be to try and obtain coverage through a state run high risk pool program, yet Sen. McCain has not addressed how those programs would be subsidized, which could leave insurees paying high premiums, or with no insurance.
Insurance plans on the individual health insurance market would be cheaper because they offer less coverage. Often employers group plans have better coverage because they are able to negotiate with insurance companies.
Governor Palin also misrepresented Sen. Obama's health plan. It would build on our current private and public insurance plans. If you are satisfied with your current plan, you could keep it.
I'm sure she loves her children. That's not the point. None of the hockey moms in my daughters school are qualified to be the VP. I'm not a hockey mom and I'm not qualified to be the VP - neither is anybody on the board, except possibly Jas with her city hall experience (Jas, that was you?).
I don't want lowest common denominator - I want the best. Isn't that what all hockey moms want - the best for their kids. So...it stops at the highest office in the land?
I will say this again - and I'm vehemently opposed to McCain. He is at least a statesman. Biden and Obama are statesmen.
And I have finally changed my mind on doing away with the electoral college. We, as a nation, apparently are not qualified to pick our president. We need the 'checks and balances' the founding fathers apparently knew we'd need - the electoral college.
Pip
[QUOTE=Pip!]There is if you're talking about being the President of the United States. And the funny thing is - I was wrong - she and her husband earn over 180K a year - people in that tax bracket have assistants who drive their kids to hockey practice. We're doing OK finacially but she's got us beat by a landslide.[/QUOTE]
My husband and I have a combined income of 250K/year... and we do not have any "assistants." We cut our own grass. We do our own laundry. We've never hired a babysitter. We use colloquialisms when we talk. Especially me - I grew up in an ethnically diverse urban environment.
Really, Pip.
Your opinion. I am not saying that because I am a "hockey mom" I am qualified to be vp, that is ridiculous to even say or point out!! I was not implying that Palin should be vp because she is a hockey mom. Not going to even going elaborate more as you are always correct. I am not an idiot Pip, but we all know that if we do not agree with you in your mind we are!I thought we were told in public school propoganda programs that anyone could grow up and be President?
[QUOTE=justsaynoemore]I thought we were told in public school propoganda programs that anyone could grow up and be President?[/QUOTE]
Apparently that only applies to "community organizers" who claim to represent "change" (but did absolutely nothing to fight rampant corruption in the statehouse when serving as state senator) but not "hockey moms."
And Jas, with that kind of income, no wonder you're against Socialized Medicine. You're covered if something goes wrong. I am not.
Reegie - shame on you.
Pip
[QUOTE=Pip!]Have you people not seen the voter commercials where a supposedly thinking woman says "I'm voting for Palin because she's a mom?" OMG - I cringe every time I see that.
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[QUOTE=justsaynoemore]I thought we were told in public school propaganda programs that anyone could grow up and be President?[/QUOTE]Apparently that only applies to "community organizers" who claim to represent "change" (but did absolutely nothing to fight rampant corruption in the statehouse when serving as state senator) but not "hockey moms."edit because I misspelled senator - I guess I should have one of my many assistants proofread my posts.[/QUOTE]
What about all the ethically challenged crap that went on during this administration by this administration? What about that Jas? The billions made on unfulfilled contracts, The outing of Covert CIA operatives for political reasons, This war, shall I mention the reasons for that? How about the Katrina disaster, the ineptitude of the response to Katrina, What about political favors and cronyism leading to the president of the horse association being the head of FEMA, And lets talk about deregulation. Oh no, better not go there. What about ignoring the threat of Osama attacking the US which was ignored. How about Abu Ghraib? And Habeas Corpus? All this and way more in 8 years. I do not want to read one more thing about Barack Obama as a failure when I sit here and have to live in the mess that this administration has created for me and my family. It will take many years to clean it up.
And PIP, you are right on the mark. lorster2008-10-05 22:23:16
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[QUOTE=justsaynoemore]I thought we were told in public school propaganda programs that anyone could grow up and be President?[/QUOTE]Apparently that only applies to "community organizers" who claim to represent "change" (but did absolutely nothing to fight rampant corruption in the statehouse when serving as state senator) but not "hockey moms."edit because I misspelled senator - I guess I should have one of my many assistants proofread my posts.[/QUOTE]
What about all the ethically challenged crap that went on during this administration by this administration? What about that Jas? The billions made on unfulfilled contracts, The outing of Covert CIA operatives for political reasons, This war, shall I mention the reasons for that? How about the Katrina disaster, the ineptitude of the response to Katrina, What about political favors and cronyism leading to the president of the horse association being the head of FEMA, And lets talk about deregulation. Oh no, better not go there. What about ignoring the threat of Osama attacking the US which was ignored. How about Abu Ghraib? And Habeas Corpus? All this and way more in 8 years. I do not want to read one more thing about Barack Obama as a failure when I sit here and have to live in the mess that this administration has created for me and my family. It will take many years to clean it up.
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Give me a break. I can't stand GWB; never have. I did not vote for him, either time. What does he have to do with what I've posted?
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A lot of people feel that way and can understand that. I just don't think any one person can do everything; it doesn't work that way. Regardless of who wins, I'm sure we will be being told that very thing when it comes time for next election and we are asking why nothing has really changed like they were all telling us it would if they were elected.....
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Soooooo true, it was Hillary Rodham Clinton who told us during her husbands campaign for Pres that within 100 days from the time he was elected SHE would ensure that every American had health insurance...it didn't happen. They ALL make promises to get elected and they are empty promises, they only tell you what they think you want to hear. Crooked, I tell ya, crooked!!!
[QUOTE=Pip!]And I have finally changed my mind on doing away with the electoral college. We, as a nation, apparently are not qualified to pick our president. We need the 'checks and balances' the founding fathers apparently knew we'd need - the electoral college.
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I feel like my vote doesn't count, I may vote one way and it not count if most of my state doesn't vote the same way, so what is the point of voting if you're not in the majority.
[QUOTE=ann1026]I wish with all my heart that the candidates would simply tell us what they will do as president and leave the other guy out of it. Maybe I am naive, but this would work for me. Just heard today that McCains ads are turning very nasty as of next Wednesday (after the debate) and will attack the character of Obama. Isn't this what has happened in the last two elections? Look where it got the American people. I have a feeling this tactic might backfire this time.
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I totally agree, it's so 1st grade to talk badly about someone only to promote yourself. I feel that a campaign should focus on what the candidates will do if elected, not what's wrong with the other. I'm getting to the point where I don't even want to vote at all.
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Have you people not seen the voter commercials where a supposedly thinking woman says "I'm voting for Palin because she's a mom?" OMG - I cringe every time I see that.
And Jas, with that kind of income, no wonder you're against Socialized Medicine. You're covered if something goes wrong. I am not.
Reegie - shame on you.
Pip
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First of all I am not your child so do not shame me. Is it shame on me because I have an opinion that is not yours?? If you think that there aren't people out there that are voting for Obama just because he is black or who were Hillary supporters just because she is a woman you are wrong. It's pretty funny also because you have no idea who I am backing, but then again I don't think you care.
[QUOTE=Pip!]Have you people not seen the voter commercials where a supposedly thinking woman says "I'm voting for Palin because she's a mom?" OMG - I cringe every time I see that.
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I watch TV and can't recall a Palin ad at all! Different markets, different targets.
Pip, does that mean they think there are people in your market who think there is a separate place on the ballot to vote for VP? Won't that be confusing in the voting booth?
Suzanne - what I'm hearing is "I'm voting for Palin" not "I'm voting for McCain". Which makes sense if he drops dead from the skin cancer or a heart attack. Still it scares me. I'm haven't heard any "I'm voting for Biden".
Audrey - supposedly that's what Obama was going to do, focus on what he's promising - but with the new 'attack ads' being talked about by all major media - I'm betting it's going to flip back to mud slinging. It the set up we had in MI during the last election and the off year election. Get people fired up with the 'fear factor' and the election is in the bag. For us, it was Gay Marriage Amendment and 2 years later 'affirmative action'. And MI is supposed to be a 'blue state'. Give me a break! The long and short - both passed and I told my husband to get me the hell out of that redneck state. We were packing in late November to be out in January but my pneumonia herx set us back to March.
Also - your vote counts. If I remember correctly, the Electoral College has only gone 'rogue' twice in it's history. My hope is that they do that more if the popular vote is indicative of stupid Americans not looking at the facts and instead voting on a beauty contest.
Lori - thanks
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Your vote counts. Read more about the electoral system. I don't care how anyone votes...JUST VOTE. If you haven't registered to vote you still have a few more hours. Go to DMV, library, or wherever they're registering voters and register. LindyWhy should there be a need for "voter registration" to begin with? Political campaigns would be definitely be more fair and balanced if the candidates didn't weren't sure of the political make up of their audiences. Sure, we register but really feel it's an infringement of our right to privacy.
The problem, Watching Wolf, is the political machines during the last Great Depression began registering dead people and having them vote. Dead people do not vote. Or aren't supposed to. So, it's a major check and balance to deal with voter fraud.
This, of course, did not apply to Florida and the brads.
Pip
Edited to say Great Depression - not recession.
Pip!2008-10-06 09:42:28PS - good point Lindy - if you don't vote you can't complain. So, go vote and argue with me over the next 4 years.
Pip
[QUOTE=watchingwolf]Why should there be a need for "voter registration" to begin with? Political campaigns would be definitely be more fair and balanced if the candidates didn't weren't sure of the political make up of their audiences. Sure, we register but really feel it's an infringement of our right to privacy.
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We need registration to keep it to one vote per person, but I agree that it would be better if party affiliations weren't known. We often have council seats run opposed, because it is known that they are safe Repub. or Dem. seats.
PS - most states will allow you to register online - go to your state Department of Motor Vehicles or your Secretary of State and register online if available.
Pip
[QUOTE=watchingwolf]Why should there be a need for "voter registration" to begin with? Political campaigns would be definitely be more fair and balanced if the candidates didn't weren't sure of the political make up of their audiences. Sure, we register but really feel it's an infringement of our right to privacy.
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There are also millions of non-citizen immigrants living in the States. They are not legally entitled to vote in our elections unless and until they become citizens.
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A lot of people feel that way and can understand that. I just don't think any one person can do everything; it doesn't work that way. Regardless of who wins, I'm sure we will be being told that very thing when it comes time for next election and we are asking why nothing has really changed like they were all telling us it would if they were elected.....
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Soooooo true, it was Hillary Rodham Clinton who told us during her husbands campaign for Pres that within 100 days from the time he was elected SHE would ensure that every American had health insurance...it didn't happen. They ALL make promises to get elected and they are empty promises, they only tell you what they think you want to hear. Crooked, I tell ya, crooked!!!
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Bill Clinton campaigned with the promise of health care reform, but I doubt he or Hillary Clinton promised to implement it in 100 days.
Health care reform is an ambitious endeavor, no other administration has attempted to bring health care to more Americans before President Clinton. Hillary Clinton did work toward making health care more accessible, but she had some major opponents -- stakeholders like the insurance companies, drug companies, business, medical providers.
There were also the "Harry and Louise" anti-health plan ads, paid for by the insurance industry that undermined the health plan. Rush Limbaugh also played a role in its defeat, his rants on his radio show were followed by paid anti-health plan ads and an 800 phone number to call for more info. After a brief talk, the caller was patched through to their congressperson's office to oppose the plan. This orchestrated effort by the insurance industry helped kill Clinton's health plan.
So yes, you are right, no one person can bring about change. It takes an Administration, Congress, the public, to stand up against the interests of industry lobbyists, whose primary interest is profit, not people.
Pip, think about what you are saying... The electoral college should decide without regard to what the people want? That is a very scary thought.... Dictators have used that line of thinking, "people are sheep and they need to be led".... As for the election, if i decide to choose a candidate by flipping a coin, isn't that my right? I don't tell anyone how they should vote. Do I wish people would give it more thought? Of course, but it isn't anyone's place to tell others how to vote... Obama scares me. He promises things that he cannot possibly deliver without destroying the country as we know it...
BTW I am very much opposed to the "welfare state" for two big reasons. One, how to pay for it. I am very much opposed to redistribution of wealth. The only fair way to tax would be a straight % model. How anyone can argue that type of model is unfair is beyond me. Two, it takes away the incentive to excel. I see it every day. We hire about 100 low wage employees (among others). I like to help people so I started sending people into the homeless shelters figuring this is a good "starter" job then they caan as they are able move on to bigger and better. Matter of fact I'v got positions that some can move into as soon as they prove themselves. You would be amazed at how many would rather just stay in the shelter and do the minimum. Or, another great many just work a few days to get their "smokes money"(or whatever other vice they may have) and then just quit coming. I provide rides to and from work to shelter. I help them set up bank accounts and find apartments. Having the shelter to fall back to, they're happy with that. It's disappointing... Competition creates the drive to excel and better yourself. Take that away and all you'll ever get is mediocrity.
For the record, I like Palin. I realize that one does not vote for VP, but you do vote for the whole ticket. Why do you think that Obama picked Biden if not because he thought that would help him get over the top? They didn't like each other but Obama needed someone that had the credentials he lacked... McCain doesn't overly thrill me, but Palin helps me like the ticket better. I like that she talks to the joe-6packs and hockey mom, but I am not a fool. She is a politician and a good one at that. I sincerely believe that they will win.
A little off topic, if Obama had chosen Clinton, do you think that McCain would have picked Palin? Or would it have seemed too much of a "one-up" game? By the same token, if McCain had come up with his pick first, do you think Obama would have switched his pick to Clinton to "even out the score"?
Wow, I was way behind the conversation. That's what I get for trying to do this from my office. lol...
Just out of curiousity, how would you pay for this universal healthcare? That is without taaxing the hell out of people and without killing the competition in the healthcare industry? Same thing applies there as everywhere about competition... Anyone?...
Joy -
I saw this in the Sunday Paper - Walter Reuther tried to get us close in the 'old days' but the AMA killed it.
Pip
Can't remember which tv channel I was watching earlier this morning but Sara Palin released some of her family's financial records. Her family made approximately 6,000 last year and paid just under ,000 in taxes. This comes to a rate of 14.9 per cent. Gee, I wish that percentage was that low for our family and we made not even one-fourth of what her family made.
In addition, they own a couple pieces of property valued at over ,000,000.00 each, fishing rights on some bay and wilderness retreat and other stuff. All of this on 6,000.00 a year? For sure they quite likely didn't always make this much yearly but they have five kids and all the expenses involved with raising them.
For me personally, this doesn't add up.
[QUOTE=watchingwolf]Can't remember which tv channel I was watching earlier this morning but Sara Palin released some of her family's financial records. Her family made approximately 6,000 last year and paid just under ,000 in taxes. This comes to a rate of 14.9 per cent. Gee, I wish that percentage was that low for our family and we made not even one-fourth of what her family made.
In addition, they own a couple pieces of property valued at over ,000,000.00 each, fishing rights on some bay and wilderness retreat and other stuff. All of this on 6,000.00 a year? For sure they quite likely didn't always make this much yearly but they have five kids and all the expenses involved with raising them.
For me personally, this doesn't add up.
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They may have bought the property when it was worth much less; perhaps they inherited it. Is the 6000 adjusted gross income or taxable income?
What doesn't add up?
I suppose I should just give everyone my credit card number because I clearly make way too much money. How much should my spouse and I be allowed to keep out of our 0000 per year?
Jose -
Historically, the Republican Party has been the party of the elites. The Dems had the middle class and the poor. The poor etc. vote less than the rich for a variety of reasons. Lately, the Republicans have this strange marketing going on telling "joe6pack" and the hockey moms they are 'looking out for you' when that couldn't be farthest from the truth. Giving tax breaks to the wealthiest 5% of the country is NOT helping out the middle class and saddling us with more and more debt is not helping us. If they cut those taxes - who the heck is going to pay for this? The rich?
What the Reps did was convince that guy working in a factor that one day he could 'pull himself up by his bootstraps' and somehow be allowed to hang with Paris Hilton in the Harvards and Private Schools they send their kids too. They don't hang in public schools, BTW.
Meanwhile, the idiot Dems (of which I am proud to call myself a member) have switched their focus to 'eco-liberalism' and disassociated themselves from the poor and middle classes because, you know, they aren't preforming and are a drain on the economy.
Reagan was wrong - the TOP DOWN has never ever worked in this country. BOTTOM UP has. Historically, all social change has come from the lower and labor classes and during the '60's, the churches.
The rich, no matter which side of the political power they are, Dem or Rep, only work to further their own interests.
We need a 3rd party that's working - as we have historically. And my guess, with food riots in various parts of the world, we're going to get within the next 10 years.
I forgot whatelse you asked.
Pip
PS - Clinton! Obama didn't want her (or a food taster) and my guess it's because of the payola she took from Big Business to run her campaign. I don't think he would have taken her under any circumstances. Clinton was qualified yet unlikeable. Palin is unqualified yet likeable. Think about her 'not blinking' with the Chinese, the Iraqies, the Afganies etc. Give me a break - she's nowhere near as qualified as Clinton was. She's a freakin govenor of a small (population wise) state who's only real benefit is the oil and gas they have. We wanted Alaska in the US because of the COLD war, which apparently, she's still fighting.
And if any of you read the Newsweek article JSNM posted - her 'never blink' and pushiness is the reason that pipeline still hasn't been built. Yeah, she's really gonna help us in DC.
I was for the abolishing the electoral college. Perot got me thinking it wasn't a bad idea, but this election has pushed me over the edge. This "Seseme Street" sound bite generation has made it apparent that very few people actually research the candidates and instead take Fox (or the liberal media - give me ANOTHER BREAK) verbatim.
Pip
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[QUOTE=Pip!]Jose -
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Just getting back to the original topic, the debate and Palin. For those that support the McCain/Palin ticket, should something happen to McCain, are you 100% comfortable with Palin leading this country?
Well, if something should happen to Obama, would you be comfortable with Joe Biden?
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[QUOTE=Joie]Bill Clinton campaigned with the promise of health care reform, but I doubt he or Hillary Clinton promised to implement it in 100 days.
Health care reform is an ambitious endeavor, no other administration has attempted to bring health care to more Americans before President Clinton. Hillary Clinton did work toward making health care more accessible, but she had some major opponents -- stakeholders like the insurance companies, drug companies, business, medical providers.
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100 days, it was in one of her many promise-making, BS speeches, look it up. And don't try and blame her failure on other factors...maybe she should have done her homework before she went off half-cocked and slipped that into her speech to begin with. We all know that politicians as a whole will say just about anything to get elected. And don't even get me started about Obamma Mamma Jamma, he is the worst kind of predator! Just becase McCain starts slinging mud (which is prolly all the truth) Obama states he wanted to avoid it focus on positive issues, PLEASE, that's like saying "I did it because everyone else is doing it" when we were in school.
Historically - the last president that wasn't a millionaire was Lincoln. Historically, the Reps have backed less government social programs, tax breaks for companies and tax breaks for the affluent.
Hustorically - the Democratic party has backed social reform and social 'nets' and has balanced out the Reps.
Reps were for States Rights. Dems were for Federal Rights. For 75 years, it was another form of checks and balances.
Unless we're about 150 years old, nobody on this board was around when the original Reps and Dems did their thing.
It's the co-opting thats got my goat.
When does a man with 8 houses get off calling a man raised by a single mother and on food stamps elitist?
And nobody has listed an income to be qualiied as an elite on this board. All I'm seeing is working up to upper-middle class. To be one of the 'elites' is a whole other strata.
Which none of us will ever join. You have to go to the 'right' schools and go to the 'right' charity events and donate tons of money.
But we think we're 'there' and vote accordingly. That's some damn fine marketing as far as I'm concerned.
Pip
Does anybody think any president has ever been 100% in control of the country? The US gov't is not set up that way.
One positive thing about Palin - she doesn't have decades of political favors to pay back. One advantage of being unknown.
She's the hold up for that natural gas line! She can't even get that done.
Pip
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Just out of curiousity, how would you pay for this universal healthcare? That is without taaxing the hell out of people and without killing the competition in the healthcare industry? Same thing applies there as everywhere about competition... Anyone?...
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This is the question that I can't think of any answer to! I just don't see how the gov't can effectively straighten out our expensive healthcare system. Look at this article about how much money 'medical tourism' is saving - will our gov. force providers to lower their prices, or will they just send us overseas instead? Does it really cost that much to do business in the US? Who do we blame for the cost? Or is it reasonable to pay it? I just have no idea.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2008/04/27/hannaford_offers_overseas_surgery_option_to_employees/
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If you have time, take a look at the McCain/Obama health care thread. I posted some links to two websites that discuss how Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, France, the UK, Japan and Taiwan provide health care to ALL their citizens and spend less than the US doing so. All seven countries have different health care delivery systems. They have figured out how to provide health care to all their citizens, surely we can do better, if not cover everyone, at least reduce the number, 47 million, of uninsured.
I think its a matter of priorities. As the number of uninsured and underinsured grows, and more people are strained by rising health care costs, there will be demand for change. But as we have seen with this financial mess, when a problem is not dealt with, it grows into a crisis that is even more difficult to fix.
Fact: An unhealthy population costs more than a healthy population. Assuring all have access to equal health care will cost less in the long-term.
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Just getting back to the original topic, the debate and Palin. For those that support the McCain/Palin ticket, should something happen to McCain, are you 100% comfortable with Palin leading this country?
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Yes I would be, because just like every other person elected as President in this country, she wouldn't be running it solely by herself, none of them have ran the country that way, I trust her judgement and those who assist her behind the curtains.
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Just getting back to the original topic, the debate and Palin. For those that support the McCain/Palin ticket, should something happen to McCain, are you 100% comfortable with Palin leading this country?
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No. I am not 100% comfortable with ANY of them leading this country - McCain, Obama, Biden, Palin.
Are you 100% comfortable with Obama or Biden as President?
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Guess I should have left out that 100% bit (in the style of Palin -
I guess I'm 90% comfortable w/Obama/Biden, I like their approaches to fixing our country's problems more so than McCain/Palin. My comfort level w/McCain being Prez, hmmmm, maybe 38%, he's not a bad guy, but I definitely don't like his health, tax, or energy proposals. Palin -- she's a minus 53.
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Guess I should have left out that 100% bit (in the style of Palin -
I guess I'm 90% comfortable w/Obama/Biden, I like their approaches to fixing our country's problems more so than McCain/Palin. My comfort level w/McCain being Prez, hmmmm, maybe 38%, he's not a bad guy, but I definitely don't like his health, tax, or energy proposals. Palin -- she's a minus 53.
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Does ANYONE care about national security anymore? Obama COULDN'T be LESS qualified on that aspect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=AchingAudrey][QUOTE=Joie]Bill Clinton campaigned with the promise of health care reform, but I doubt he or Hillary Clinton promised to implement it in 100 days.
Health care reform is an ambitious endeavor, no other administration has attempted to bring health care to more Americans before President Clinton. Hillary Clinton did work toward making health care more accessible, but she had some major opponents -- stakeholders like the insurance companies, drug companies, business, medical providers.
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100 days, it was in one of her many promise-making, BS speeches, look it up. And don't try and blame her failure on other factors...maybe she should have done her homework before she went off half-cocked and slipped that into her speech to begin with. We all know that politicians as a whole will say just about anything to get elected. And don't even get me started about Obamma Mamma Jamma, he is the worst kind of predator! Just becase McCain starts slinging mud (which is prolly all the truth) Obama states he wanted to avoid it focus on positive issues, PLEASE, that's like saying "I did it because everyone else is doing it" when we were in school.
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No Aching, YOU look it up. If you are gonna come onto the forum and make a statement, an accusation -- then you should back it up, cite your source -- as Senator Moynihan said, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts."
Talk about BS.
Yes, I'm concerned about our National Security! The Bush Administration placed our National Security is more threatened than it's ever been. It's Time For A Change!!
The Iraq War fueled the economy in the short term but has gutted it in the long-term. The only people making real money from the war are those who promote it.
Joie, I don't need to look it up, I'm not the one questioning it. YOU look it up, you're the one with the doubt. Just like a Dem...asking someone else to do their leg work. That's the BS.I wouldn't trust someone named Barack Hussein Obama as our President to have our best interests at heart, it almost sickens me to think of his ass in the white house! What has happened to America??? What are y'all thinking???Audrey - you made it up. Simple as that.
Suzanne - I guess I interpreted it as a Republican politically correct way of saying 'uppity'.
Pip
Audrey - you redneck!
Pip
People People! If I could figure out how in the heck to paste a website I'd post it. Just do a search for it. Hillary was and is a big windbag.
As one who saw the mushroom cloud over the WTC on 9/11, as one who's neighbor was killed on 9/11 as his wife was pregnant, as one who took her children to school on 9/12 seeing loads of fathers with bandages on their heads and arms in slings in the school parking lot dropping their kids off, I can tell you National security should be priority number 1. Most people on this site can't see that because we're all here with a chronic illness so sure healthcare is front and center --- HERE. I don't think that Obama is prepared to deal with terrorists or terroristic threats.[QUOTE=Pip!]Audrey - you redneck!
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Spoken like a true 3rd grader PIP, I wouldn't expect anything less from you.
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[QUOTE=AchingAudrey]Joie, I don't need to look it up, I'm not the one questioning it. YOU look it up, you're the one with the doubt. Just like a Dem...asking someone else to do their leg work. That's the BS.[/QUOTE]
ACHE,
Yes, you should look it up, cuz you be sayin' it. As far as your snide remark about a DEM "asking someone else to do their leg work" you make me laugh, I've posted more links to posts I've made to back up my comments, and if you don't recall, when you posted about your worries about the cost of enbrel, you didn't do your own "leg work", myself and others responded about not only the cost but the importance of paying your individual insurance policy on time so you wouldn't be dropped and left with nothing.
[QUOTE=Pip!]Audrey - you redneck!
Sorry, Suzanne, that's exactly how I interpreted it. Again with the co-opting. Don't forget, Obama has a lot LESS houses than McCain. Which would make McCain a lot more 'elitist' in my book. So, if he's got more 'perks' than Obama, and he's not elitist, then why is he saying that...because it's a PC way of slinging racism.
Like Audrey, who said this "I wouldn't trust someone named Barack Hussein Obama as our President to have our best interests at heart, it almost sickens me to think of his ass in the white house! What has happened to America??? What are y'all thinking??? "
This is an educated person? She doesn't like his name? Is it because it's foregn sounding?
Yep - just like America to welcome 'ferrignes" and let them get to the top. It's the American Dream.
The only word you deleted, Audrey was 'black' ass.
Pip
Pip
Just for you PIP and Joie since she tends followyou around like a little lost puppy. Y'al