Yea, I'm so used to seeing them in prisons, rioting in the street, gang banging, robbing everything that moves, etc. DONN,
I got the same e-mail yesterday evening, it must be making the rounds. Six degrees of seperation, now that's scarey.
[QUOTE=Ninilchicken]DONN,
I got the same e-mail yesterday evening, it must be making the rounds. Six degrees of seperation, now that's scarey.[/QUOTE]
Wow that was very Christian of you Audrey. Glad to see you love all of God's children.
DONN probably sources all the BS he posts from snopes, relying on the gullibility of people like Audrey to make it worthwhile.
6t5, I don't find it scary at all. Not sure why you do. They aren't threatening, they aren't angry, they aren't aspiring to lives of crime. They are talking about becoming professionals, upstanding members of society, who will pay taxes and support themselves and their families. Kind of goes against your stereotypical expectations of black youth, doesn't it?
6t5, I don't find it scary at all. Not sure why you do. They aren't threatening, they aren't angry, they aren't aspiring to lives of crime. They are talking about becoming professionals, upstanding members of society, who will pay taxes and support themselves and their families. Kind of goes against your stereotypical expectations of black youth, doesn't it?
Yea, I'm so used to seeing them in prisons, rioting in the street, gang banging, robbing everything that moves, etc. [/QUOTE]
Wow, Audrey, as a fellow Virginian, I am aghast at your statement. If that was meant to be a joke, its not funny. If you were serious, I really can't believe you mean that. What an awful thing to say.
You know, in the 2 years I've been on this forum, I've steered clear of non-RA discussions, but this takes the cake. Enough with the politics and crap it seems to be eliciting. This forum is about RA and support for the lives of people with RA.
"Disagreements" also occur on threads dealing w/RA related issues, not just political threads, though, political discussions can get heated (my sister bans political discussions at mealtime ).
Regardless of the subject, folks should restrain from personal attacks or hateful speech.
Some forums with moderators don't allow political discussions, however, I feel politics is relevant to this forum as the next president's health care policy will affect all of us here.
Listen people, it was a joke for God's sake. It amazes me how this little liberal clique can say equally insulting crap (and actually mean it) and no one says anything about it but when I do all Hell breaks loose. You don't think I hear jokes about "the man"and "ole whitey"...please![QUOTE=Joie]"Disagreements" also occur on threads dealing w/RA related issues, not just political threads, though, political discussions can get heated (my sister bans political discussions at mealtime ).
Regardless of the subject, folks should restrain from personal attacks or hateful speech.
Some forums with moderators don't allow political discussions, however, I feel politics is relevant to this forum as the next president's health care policy will affect all of us here.
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That's funny, wasn't it you that called me a redneck???
[QUOTE=AchingAudrey][QUOTE=Joie]"Disagreements" also occur on threads dealing w/RA related issues, not just political threads, though, political discussions can get heated (my sister bans political discussions at mealtime ).
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And...birds of a feather...[QUOTE=Hillhoney]
6t5, I don't find it scary at all. Not sure why you do. They aren't threatening, they aren't angry, they aren't aspiring to lives of crime. They are talking about becoming professionals, upstanding members of society, who will pay taxes and support themselves and their families. Kind of goes against your stereotypical expectations of black youth, doesn't it?
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Hill, Just what Sterotypical expectations for black youths have I spoken about ? I think the manner in which it was delivered. First in school. Second in Military garb. Third in Military marching and mannerisms. KInda Hitler Youth like eh. BTW I have many black co workers and friends. Do you ? I've been involved with youth Basketball ( mostly black area ) . I know what many black youths expectationa are. Most are just like any kid. They do not need to march in fatiques to get their point across. Most times when people yell nobody listens.
For those who make these personal attacks, lame jokes, nasty remarks, etc., keep doing it. It reveals more about the writer than anything else and is quite entertaining at times.6t5, there is nothing about Obama or those kids in that video that is Hitler like. That is an incredible insult to both those young boys, and to those who endured the Holocaust! Politics is one thing, but you have gone over the edge. Really think about what you are saying, and what Hitler was! Come on!Hill, Don't get your panties in a bunch. I didn't say they were Hitler supporters. The Hitler Youth marched in Military garb and spouted pro Hitler stuff. This in NOT a comparison of Obama and Hitler. You cannot be this dumb. Again I'll ask What Sterotypical expectations for Black Youths have I spoken about ?Hillhoney didn't say you said they were Hitler supporters. You said they wee "Hitler like" and Hillhoney said they were not "Hitler like".
This is typical of your red herring, straw dog argument style.
You just called Hillhoney "dumb".
Furthermore, if you know anything about the rise of National Socialism in Germany in the '20's and '30's there are a remarkable amount of similarities in what they did and what the Bush administration has done. Don't believe it? Do some reading or watch the documentary "Mein Kampf". This movie was made long before Bush got into power so it's not like it's slanted to show similarities.
I'm sorry, Americans, but it's unfortunately true, as many of the more astute of you already know. I am sure I will be yelled at and loathed for pointing this out, but maybe a better use of your energy would be to learn a little history.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
I edited this because it turns out the full documentary "Mein Kampf" is on YouTube, so I wanted to add a link. Please don't yell at me until after you've watched the movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw837zt81nwGimpy-a-gogo2008-10-08 09:40:45[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Hillhoney didn't say you said they were Hitler supporters. You said they wee "Hitler like" and Hillhoney said they were not "Hitler like".
This is typical of your red herring, straw dog argument style.
You just called Hillhoney "dumb".
Furthermore, if you know anything about the rise of National Socialism in Germany in the '20's and '30's there are a remarkable amount of similarities in what they did and what the Bush administration has done. Don't believe it? Do some reading or watch the documentary "Mein Kampf". This movie was made long before Bush got into power so it's not like it's slanted to show similarities.
I'm sorry, Americans, but it's unfortunately true, as many of the more astute of you already know. I am sure I will be yelled at and loathed for pointing this out, but maybe a better use of your energy would be to learn a little history.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
I edited this because it turns out the full documentary "Mein Kampf" is on YouTube, so I wanted to add a link. Please don't yell at me until after you've watched the movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw837zt81nw[/QUOTE]
Read it again.......I said Hitler YOUTH like . Now go worry about Canada
Donn, The reasonyou do not see these "facts" you are speaking of on the news are they are just crazies posting on the Web. Do you not think the news would not reveal these so called facts. I find PBS with Jim Leher and CNN the least unbiassed. The Mc Cain campaign would love to use these so called facts but they are not facts. The best they can come up with is he was on a board with an anti Vietnam war protester/terrorist. A non profit board to help in education in the community. He is now a college professor who does a lot of charitable work. He was wrong no doubt but I was part of the antiwar movement, both of my brothers were fighting the draft and at only 12 when I participated in my first antiwar march. People were passionate about the young men who were dying everyday in that war. Now I am fearful that Palin will get Obama assasinated she has stirred up so many crazies. Get your facts straight and lets try real CHANGE and UNITE.There is a difference between participating in a protest march (legally protected right cherished by most citizens) and bombing buildings.
There's also a difference in being a terrorist and being a victim of a massive smear campaign that has nothing to do with reality.And Obama doesn't try and smear McCain???
THE DAY A 'TERRORIST' WAS A GUEST IN MY KITCHEN
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Joel Connelly
After hearing the unleashed Sarah Palin accuse Sen. Barack Obama of "pallin' around with terrorists" -- and Sen. John McCain's brother call northern Virginia "communist country" -- this scribe is moved to a confession.
One-time Weathermen leader William Ayers, the target in Palin's day of rage, was once a guest in my kitchen. Not only that, but I brewed him a pot of tea and heated up a bagel.
Ayers consorted with our family's standard poodle, S'Murphy Brown, after she extended a paw to the top of his knee.
Circumstances don't matter in wing nuts' land of guilt-by-association, but I had no choice.
The Hi Spot Cafe, notorious liberal hangout in Madrona -- Seattle's equivalent to Chicago's Hyde Park -- had just closed. We needed to do an interview about Ayers' memoir "Fugitive Days," a timely topic, since the terrorist atrocity of 9/11 had taken place just 16 days earlier.
The 2008 presidential campaign has taken an ugly turn. In tones reminiscent of Joe McCarthy in the 1950s, McCain's campaign seeks to tie Obama to Ayers. (The two men are Hyde Park neighbors.) Media have been targeted: An African-American journalist at a Palin rally was reportedly told by someone in the crowd, "Sit down, boy."
It represents an incredible turnaround for a candidate who denounced guilt-by-association just last March.
Asked about Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright, McCain said: "I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say. I know that, for example, I've had endorsements of some people that I didn't share their views, but they endorsed mine. And so I think we've got to be very careful about that."
For rest of article see:
and your point is...???????????????[QUOTE=AchingAudrey]Listen people, it was a joke for God's sake. It amazes me how this little liberal clique can say equally insulting crap (and actually mean it) and no one says anything about it but when I do all Hell breaks loose. You don't think I hear jokes about "the man"and "ole whitey"...please![/QUOTE]
I'm a conservative Audrey, and that wasn't funny. I think if you hear jokes about "the man and ole whitey they are probably well deserved."
Well, crispy, then you must have no sense of humor or you are living in a vacuum. You think that black people are singing our praises when we're not around, that they don' tell jokes about us? There is a huge problem with racism in this country and it ain't all the white people contributing. I am soooooooooo sick of racism. Geez, God created man equal, white, black, brown, yellow, all equal, so why aren't we treated that way? Because blacks are just as racist as whites and you would be either blind or ignorant to think otherwise. And this whole election...proof positive that racism is still rampant in this country. Blacks have had record numbers of voter registration to get Obamma in the white house and whites have turned out in record numbers as well to keep Obamma out. Go figure.I've worked voter registration for the last month at various locales and had a lot of different people comment and talk amongst themselves. Mostly talked at since I couldn't respond except to give them the necessary information about voting registration. Ache, I haven't seen what you just described. I've seen people of all different shades of color registering. Mostly it depended on the neighborhood. As long as people register to vote it doesn't matter. I think the historical viewpoint of possibly having the first black president overshadows your view that blacks are registering in high numbers due to racism. Maybe history and racism are entwined, wouldn't be the first time, and it ain't going to be the last. I find this time in history thrilling rather than racist. Lindy I think you should be a little more worried about the ill-qualifications Obama possesses to run our country than being thrilled with history. WTF?
Why WTF? I didn't think I wrote anything that should elicit that response from you. I was just telling you what I had seen and heard from experience, not from other's rhetoric, or what I've learned from an RA forum.
I'm sorry that you took my post in a negative manner, it certainly wasn't meant that way. Qualified or not qualified it's still history in the making. You don't have to agree but you can't stop history from being made. There's been many unqualified individuals that have run for President and some have even won. Every 4 years we add to the American history story, some love it, some hate it and I would never try and change your mind or use this forum as a political cause, nor would I be impolite. My only reference was what I've seen on the front lines of voting registration, not to insult you or change your mind. Lindy
Don't worry Fraudrey, I mean Audrey . Barack is ready. I just saw Michelle on Larry King. She will be a brilliant and beautiful 1st lady![/QUOTE]
Again...spoken like a true 3rd grader. Y'all never cease to amaze me.
Lindy, history is well and good, I just don't understand why you'd be more excited to see history made than to elect the right person for the job, that's what the WTF meant. I don't understand why anyone would want Obamma in the white house, and I could debate it until I'm blue in the face but it's futile to do so with people such as the "liberal clique" in this forum. They stoop to new levels everyday, I can't (nor can anyone) express my opinions without being personally attacked (see above, the all so brilliant post by Pam S), it's just not worth it anymore. They don't want intelligent discussion, they want to dominate this board and to Hell with anyone who doesn't agree with them, so be it. A big
Nobody here stoops to the levels you do.
g'nite Aching. Aren't you the one who wants a christian theocracy? Well, not everyone does. And....how do you know that John McCain is the right man for the presidency? Their negative campaigning is very sad right now. I feel sorry as I can see the desperation. You may see our first black president so get used to it. He is here to stay.
The way I figure it. Slaves built the white house so it only seems fair that a black man occupy it for the next 8 years. Its about time.
lorster2008-10-08 21:44:15[QUOTE=Pam S]
Audrey said - "Yea, I'm so used to seeing them in prisons, rioting in the street, gang banging, robbing everything that moves, etc.
Nobody here stoops to the levels you do.
g'nite [/QUOTE]
It was a joke and of course you took it out of context by placing it here.
Okay, intelligent discussion. Regarding the subject of health care -- which should be a concern of everyone with RA on this forum -- tell me why Senator McCain's health proposal is the better proposal?
[QUOTE=lorster]Aching. Aren't you the one who wants a christian theocracy? Well, not everyone does. And....how do you know that John McCain is the right man for the presidency? Their negative campaigning is very sad right now. I feel sorry as I can see the desperation. You may see our first black president so get used to it. He is here to stay.
The way I figure it. Slaves built the white house so it only seems fair that a black man occupy it for 8 years. Its about time.
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I won't even dignify that with a response. I was enjoying your absence, let us all heave a collective sigh of relief...vacation AWAY from your computer.
I'm not going anywhere aching. You have a whole 143 posts on this board and most of them are these discussions where you cause nothing but chaos. I merely asked a question. You never answered earlier ones. Why is that?
lorster2008-10-08 21:47:03Joie, I see more good with Obama's plan for my husband and I. We don't pay hardly anything for our policy right now. That could change with the coming year. We will see. I do not want to pay more taxes on health care money. Just seems wrong. Well, that question was really directed at Achingaudrey, she was complaining about the lack of intelligent conversation, since she is an avid supporter of Senator McCain she should be able to tell us all about his health plan. Well?
Ache? How does Senator McCain's health proposal deal with someone with a pre existing condition and the difficulty they have buying an individual health plan?
SOUNDS LIKE ANYTHING SAID THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH LORSTERS TWISTED THINKING IS CONSIDERED "CHAOS"!!! LORSTER YOU ARE WHAT BILL O'REILLY WOULD CALL A "PIN HEAD"
BUT I DID MISS YOU AND WISH YOU A HAPPY BIRTHDAY Joie, I am saddened that 150 years has passed since the emancipation of slaves and in all those years, this is as far as we have come. That I live next door to people who would judge someone by the color of their skin. How shallow are we as a people. I guess we just don't evolve very quickly. And maybe that is normal. Maybe I should not expect more from human beings.
The other point I would like to make is how frightened I am for Obama and his family. This election has driven lots of kooks out of the woodwork. And they are shouting profanities at the McCain rallies. One even shouted...kill him and McCain didn't have the balls to stop that sort of talk at his rally. I have no respect for a man that would allow a crowd to chant like that. McCain scares me.
CHECK OUT THE VIDEO THAT 6t5 POSTED. THAT WILL SCARE YOU
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Health/Bazell_NEJM_Blumenthal.pdf
A pretty concise outline of McCain's health plan and how it will leave individuals with chronic illness at the mercy of state insurance pools with no safeguards.
I'm also very frightened for Obama and his family and it's weighed on my mind quite a bit. I've experienced that once and don't want to see that happen to America again. Lindy
I agree, Lori. McCain and Palin are running the most disgusting, dishonest campaign I have ever seen. Palin is reckless and will say anything she is told to say and it is dangerous now. I think that the poles are showing that people are sick of that crap. I am truely afraid for the Obama's too. Thanks Lin for the link on McCain's health plan, but I was waiting for a response from Achingaudrey who commented on the lack of intelligent conversation, since Senator McCain is her choice for president, surely she must know what she is voting for, especially since we all have a preexisting condition, surely she must be aware of Senator McCain's position or lack of position on that particular health insurance issue. But its late, perhaps she retired for the night . . .
I just thought I give some food for thought........sometimes it's good if one has a reference point to begin a debate. Maybe tomorrow. Lindy[QUOTE=roxy]Donn, The reasonyou do not see these "facts" you are speaking of on the news are they are just crazies posting on the Web. Do you not think the news would not reveal these so called facts. I find PBS with Jim Leher and CNN the least unbiassed. The Mc Cain campaign would love to use these so called facts but they are not facts. The best they can come up with is he was on a board with an anti Vietnam war protester/terrorist. A non profit board to help in education in the community. He is now a college professor who does a lot of charitable work. He was wrong no doubt but I was part of the antiwar movement, both of my brothers were fighting the draft and at only 12 when I participated in my first antiwar march. People were passionate about the young men who were dying everyday in that war. Now I am fearful that Palin will get Obama assasinated she has stirred up so many crazies. Get your facts straight and lets try real CHANGE and UNITE.[/QUOTE]
So Ayers was just passionate ? Enough to want to kill inocent civilains working at the Pentagon and the Capital? So if your child just happened to be working there and he/she/ was killed it would be OK because of Ayers Passion? Palin is passionate about her beleifs but I harly think she will get Obama killed. Didn't Obama have his campaign party at Ayers house ( not sure )
[QUOTE=Pam S]Don't worry Fraudrey, I mean Audrey . Barack is ready. I just saw Michelle on Larry King. She will be a brilliant and beautiful 1st lady![/QUOTE]
I she proud of anything new in her adult life ,regarding her country ?
[QUOTE=lorster]Aching. Aren't you the one who wants a christian theocracy? Well, not everyone does. And....how do you know that John McCain is the right man for the presidency? Their negative campaigning is very sad right now. I feel sorry as I can see the desperation. You may see our first black president so get used to it. He is here to stay.
The way I figure it. Slaves built the white house so it only seems fair that a black man occupy it for the next 8 years. Its about time.
Somebody better tell Barracks Mom she is black...So if I have two marbles,one red and one blue. I melt them together do I get red or blue.....or is it purple a mix of the two. His black dad ran out on him and his Mom gave him to White people to raise. Sounds like he has more of a white backround then black. If elected I wonder will he be the first Bi-Racial person ?As far as the fear of him getting killed I would say it sure is possible. Just look at the past. If it happens look for the gun in Hillarys closet....lol
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Like I said before since you weren't paying attention in earlier posts, healthcare isn't going to happen overnight and I'm sure that McCain will do what's best for his fellow Americans. No, I'm not totally familiar with EITHER plan for healthcare. My PRIMARY CONCERN is the safety of our country and McCain is most definitely the best candidate for that. Everything else, all the issues, will work themselves out...they ALWAYS do. You have issues you're passionate about and I have mine, mine aren't any less important simply because you don't share the same opinion as I do. Jose, you make very good points, I agree totally, if more people thought like you, we'd all be better off.Yes, Jose , you make VERY good points. Keep posting!!!!!!Jose - the only way we're going to say the election was stolen is if there are brads involved or if the President's Brother was involved in the 'brad' issues in any way.
I have no problem with keeping the same amount of money from taxes as the lesser earners. A ratio is a ratio. The problem is that the top 5% of earners get all kinds of tax breaks that the little guy doesn't get. More access to tax shelters. Etc.
I can give you an example. I cannot verify it except I did have a class in college that touched on it - but not enough to make me sure of what really happened. In the old days, my Dad voted for JFK. He promised to cut taxes for everybody. So, the tax cut goes thru and my Dad got something like .23 extra in his paycheck. But one of those line items that they stick on 'good bills' had some sort of tax evasion scheme for the super rich and protected 'trust funds' for the 'trust fund babies' in that they didn't have to pay taxes on that up to a million dollars. If what you earned went into there, it was not taxed. So, while my dad got his buck, Kennedy Kids got millions. That's the kind of thing we have to stop.
I seriously do not understand why we don't have a straight line tax. Every person and every company pays 5%. Period. We'd have more money than Midas that way. American business pays less than every country IN THE WORLD except 1. They make billions of revenue and most times pay NOTHING.&n