kweenb, that was so passive aggressive of you. Apparently this forum is full of people who thin that's a great way to communicate. That must be what makes the US the "greatest country in the world".
[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]kweenb, that was so passive aggressive of you. Apparently this forum is full of people who thin that's a great way to communicate. That must be what makes the US the "greatest country in the world".[/QUOTE]
Seek help.
Seek help yourself. Or get some sleep. You know how lack of sleep makes you.Yes, Gimpy. We're all wrong and you are right. We're all PA or we're not depending of course on your mood... BTW for someone who is slighting my grasp of the English language, you make an awful lot of typos... Also, are you sure you know what Passive Agressive is? You said I wasn't but then I was being. Which is it?.... Oh wait, I forgot my last shot. Tequila or Bourbon? Heh...[QUOTE=José]Yes, Gimpy. We're all wrong and you are right. We're all PA or we're not depending of course on your mood... BTW for someone who is slighting my grasp of the English language, you make an awful lot of typos... Also, are you sure you know what Passive Agressive is? You said I wasn't but then I was being. Which is it?.... Oh wait, I forgot my last shot. Tequila or Bourbon? Heh...[/QUOTE]
Sam Adams, please!
Baileys Irish Cream for me!!! Passive agressive, thats a new one for me! I was just out in the street riding one of my kids' scooters with my kids, nieces and nephew... You should have seen me. Neighbors were probably going WTF??? Heh...
Happy New Year everyone... See you all on the other side. I've got three parties to go to. We were invited by different people and of course, my wife and kids want to go to all of them. Wish me luck. I'm going to need some serious recovery time. Heh...
Wait, Dalmatinka said the magic words. Do we drink??? I'm confused... I guess, we drink. When in doubt... Heh...Well I guess if we are passive, no, if we are agressive, heck yeah and if we are passive agressive I just don´t know
Enjoy your parties Jose!! Sorry, don´t know how to put the accento (not sure if that is right) over your name From wikipedia:
There are certain behaviors that help identify passive-aggressive behavior. [2]
Ambiguity
Avoiding responsibility by claiming forgetfulness
Blaming others
Chronic lateness and forgetfulness
Complaining
Does not express hostility or anger openly (e.g., expresses it instead by leaving notes)
Fear of authority
Fear of competition
Fear of dependency
Fear of intimacy (infidelity as a means to act out anger): The passive aggressive often can't trust. Because of this, they guard themselves against becoming intimately attached to someone.
Fosters chaos
Intentional inefficiency
Making excuses
Losing things
Lying
Obstructionism
Procrastination
Resentment
Resists suggestions from others
Sarcasm
Stubbornness
Sullenness
Willful withholding of understanding
A passive-aggressive person may not have all of these behaviors, and may have other non-passive-aggressive traits.
[edit]See also
ah.. lorster... good definition...
you may wish to define Gimpy's other favorite phrase: straw dogs isn't it/?
Well, the 2 behaviours go hand in hand, so I'm just calling it like I see, it, Babs.
For instance, I recently had a debate with Jose over my statement "Babs supports Bush, Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan are violent, therefore Babs supports violence".
Jose (and yourself) claimed that was faulty logic. When I asked him and you to explain how, somehow instead of doing that he turned it into a;) some wars are necessary, and b:0 he didn't like my character and exposed all the flaws he perceived.
Both of you were satisfied that that somehow answered the question of how is ""Babs supports Bush, Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan are violent, therefore Babs supports violence" faulty logic?
But he hadn't answered that at all. Instead he had made up a new question, attributed (falsely) that my stance was "no war is necessary" and answered that. That's a classic straw dog argument.
So if you're doing it, I', going to say it. You don't want to hear it? Don't do it.
Seems simple.
Oh, and in case you're confused, Babs:
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man," one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view, yet is easier to refute. Then, one attributes that position to the opponent. For example, someone might deliberately overstate the opponent's position.[1] While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries little or no real evidential weight, since the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]
The term is derived from the practice in ages past of using human-shaped straw dummies in combat training. In such training, a scarecrow is made in the image of the enemy, sometimes dressed in an enemy uniform or decorated in some way to vaguely resemble them. A trainee then attacks the dummy with a weapon such as a sword, club, bow or musket. Such a target is, naturally, immobile and does not fight back, and is therefore not a realistic test of skill compared to a live and armed opponent. It is occasionally called a straw dog fallacy, scarecrow argument, "straw person", or wooden dummy argument.[citation needed] In the UK, it is sometimes called Aunt Sally, with reference to a traditional fairground game.
yes. faulty "logic" is right:
Let's just do a slight substitution to show how ridiculous your comments are, shall we?
You said:
"Babs supports Bush, Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan are violent, therefore Babs supports violence"
ok...
Red equals blue.... blue is a color... therefore all colors are RED.
What you stated about me was not true. it is a false analogy...
for your repertoire: False Analogy: In this technique, two things that may or may not really be similar are portrayed as being similar. When examining the comparison, you must ask yourself how similar the items are. In most false analogies, there is simply not enough evidence available to support the comparison.
and I know a strawman argument.. YOU are the one who ultimately uses the strawman argument... RE-READ your OWN definition and see that your ILLOGICAL comment about Babs/Bush/Violence is EXACTLY a strawman argument.
and you use it as your defense every time you post something IF you don't use the Passive Agressive comments... very wrong.. and very predictable....
Now.. if you'd like to continue to have a battle of wits... you need to become armed.. I'm tired of your childish behavior... irrational thought process...and repetitive bullsh*t...
Happy New Year
babs102009-01-01 12:22:41[QUOTE=babs10]yes. faulty "logic" is right:
Let's just do a slight substitution to show how ridiculous your comments are, shall we?
You said:
"Babs supports Bush, Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan are violent, therefore Babs supports violence"
ok...
Red equals blue.... blue is a color... therefore all colors are RED.
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Love it...
How about:
2 + 2 = 4 and 4 is a number so all numbers added will always = 4 Well, Bush's policies aren't colours. You vote for Bush, that enables him to use violence, therefore, you support violence. I still don't see the flaws in the logic. [QUOTE=babs10]
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Really, Babs, how rude. That's my problem with you, you're so rude.[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo] [QUOTE=babs10]
Now.. if you'd like to continue to have a battle of wits... you need to become armed.. I'm tired of your childish behavior... irrational thought process...and repetitive bullsh*t...
Happy New Year
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Really, Babs, how rude. That's my problem with you, you're so rude.[/QUOTE]
no... I'm honest... and I'm done... (hereby reserving the right to comment in the future so that you don't say.. Thought you were done!! ;) but for today!! so, literally for TODAY I'm done..)
You're "honest" and rude. That's such a cop-out---we can all be "honest" but that's not a blanket excuse for poor behaviour.
So if you're so interested in being "honest", maybe stop pretending you don't support violence when you actively support someone who unleashed a world of violence on countless victims.
Nothing would please me more for than for you to be "done"...in fact, it was so tiresome how you "began" in the first place.
edited to add "than for" for the English challenged typo police
Gimpy-a-gogo2009-01-01 13:30:35BREATHE DEEP YOUR RUNNING OUT OF BRAIN CELLS AGAIN[/QUOTE]
I guess if you can't think of anything intelligent to say, an insult will do.It's a shame that they haven't updated this site...
Lynn49 has loads of great information to be added that would bring things current...and Pip! has alot of info on other options....
well... at least we can find it in the forum!!
[QUOTE=babs10]
ah.. lorster... good definition...
you may wish to define Gimpy's other favorite phrase: straw dogs isn't it/?
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I think it is straw man. (more PA behavior)
And Babs, I defined it so many of you can see just how PA you are.
You did a good job of it with me today on the other thread. And I thank you for your rudeness and PA behavior on that one.
[QUOTE=lorster] [QUOTE=babs10]
ah.. lorster... good definition...
you may wish to define Gimpy's other favorite phrase: straw dogs isn't it/?
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I think it is straw man. (more PA behavior)
And Babs, I defined it so many of you can see just how PA you are.
You did a good job of it with me today on the other thread. And I thank you for your rudeness and PA behavior on that one. [/QUOTE]
What about the pathological behaviors exhibited by you, Gimp and Pip?
I'm not PA Jas. Just agressive, LOL. I don't find dissent pathological, do you?
[QUOTE=lorster]I'm not PA Jas. Just agressive, LOL. I don't find dissent pathological, do you?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say you were or were not PA. Just saying that like EVERYONE ELSE, you have some quirks of your own.
*waves hand in air* Here! Here! I'm quirky and proud!!
Did everyone have a wonderful NY celebration? We were rebels and rocked it out..... ok, so we were in bed before 10pm. LOL The Roses parade this morning was amazing! They even had a float with a pool in it and people were diving in and doing flips and belly flops. I think it just gets more awesome each year.
Hope you are all having a superfantastic and extra-comfortable evening. quirk;
I always squeeze the toothpaste from the bottom of the tube.....hubby doesn'tUGH! And then when you go to brush your teeth you have to mash it all back to the top cause he's squished it at the middle!! On days when my hand hurts I seriously think about throwing the tube... but that's not gonna wash the butter off my teeth. LOLOk Jas, that is totally PA according to the definition. You said......
What about the pathological behaviors exhibited by you, Gimp and Pip? Then you say....
Just saying that like EVERYONE ELSE, you have some quirks of your own. Does this mean everyone on this forum has pathological behavior?
I'm not popular on here because I say it like it is. I don't PM everyone, every minute to talk about everyone else and then act all kind and sweet to those people that I just bashed in a PM. And you all know who you are and when you do this. Phats, IO, Lev and several others are as crude and rude as it gets around here and no one minds but when Pip, Gimpy or me gets that way.....we are pathological. I would like a better definition of pathological...like narrow it down.
[QUOTE=lorster]Ok Jas, that is totally PA according to the definition. You said......
What about the pathological behaviors exhibited by you, Gimp and Pip? Then you say....
Just saying that like EVERYONE ELSE, you have some quirks of your own. Does this mean everyone on this forum has pathological behavior?
I'm not popular on here because I say it like it is. I don't PM everyone, every minute to talk about everyone else and then act all kind and sweet to those people that I just bashed in a PM. And you all know who you are and when you do this. Phats, IO, Lev and several others are as crude and rude as it gets around here and no one minds but when Pip, Gimpy or me gets that way.....we are pathological. I would like a better definition of pathological...like narrow it down.[/QUOTE]
Because you've been pointing out everyone else's quirks except those girls.
So that makes me pathological?
[QUOTE=lorster]So that makes me pathological?[/QUOTE]
Hon, if you think you, gimp, pip, etc are without fault or issue, then more power to you.
No, I have as many faults as anyone else does. I'm not perfect. And that is not what this is all about. Its about being pathological.
Also, we are never allowed to call our patients hon, sweety, or any other term like that because it is considered disrespectful and condescending.
[QUOTE=lorster]No, I have as many faults as anyone else does. I'm not perfect. And that is not what this is all about. Its about being pathological.
Also, we are never allowed to call our patients hon, sweety, or any other term like that because it is considered disrespectful and condescending. [/QUOTE]
Well we're not in a hospital and you're not my patient (or nurse). More like girlfriends having a chat over a pint of Ben-n-Jerry's. In my 'hood it's completely normal to refer to girlfriends as 'hon.'
Hey jas. do you live near springfield illinois?
[QUOTE=lorster]Hey jas. do you live near springfield illinois?[/QUOTE]
Nope - that's way downstate. I'm in the Chicago 'burbs.
[QUOTE=lorster] [QUOTE=babs10]
ah.. lorster... good definition...
you may wish to define Gimpy's other favorite phrase: straw dogs isn't it/?
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I think it is straw man. (more PA behavior)
And Babs, I defined it so many of you can see just how PA you are.
You did a good job of it with me today on the other thread. And I thank you for your rudeness and PA behavior on that one. [/QUOTE]
since I won't waste time looking for this "other thread" you could be so kind as to link it, I'd appreciate it so then I may see what you are alluding to.
I wasn't being PA w/ the straw man comment.. I honestly (RA brain) could not remember what it was called.... and I didn't care enough to search for the term... and it WAS a good definition of PA... why you have to feel so defensive when someone actually gives you a positive comment?? sheesh... but I shouldn't have been surprised since you can take anything said and twist it to your preferred reference... go right ahead... I could care less.
If I am aggressive..... I'm definitely not passive..
It's not worth it Babs....Lorster just yammers because she gets "bored".
Hey Gimpy,
A father dies and leaves the mother and daughter all alone. The daughter does all she can to support her mother. She cleans the house, does the dishes, etc. One day after work, the mother stops with some friends for dinner and drinks. She gets a little too drunk but believes she's sober enough to drive. On the trip home, she crosses the yellow line and hits another car head-on killing the occupants inside.
Does the daughter support killing people?
What does that have to do with bush/iraq/violence? Man, I'm confused about this one kweenb.[QUOTE=babs10]It's a shame that they haven't updated this site...
Lynn49 has loads of great information to be added that would bring things current...and Pip! has alot of info on other options....
well... at least we can find it in the forum!!
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Glad you like the info I post Babs [QUOTE=kweenb] Hey Gimpy,
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Gee KweenB, does the daughter spend 8 years actively and consciously encouraging and enabling the mother to drink and drive?
Was Babs drunk for 8 years? Is Babs unaware that Bush is using his Presidency to wage war.
Is the war accidental?
How is that even by any of the strech of the imagination an parallel anolgy
Presumably Babs is sober and aware of what is going on in the Middle East, and has 8 years to witness the consequences of her decision to support Bush and his policies, but ratehr than "take away the car keys" from the "drunk Mother" she buys "gas for the car" and makes up a bunch of noble excuses why the Mother has to drink and drive, and if some people get killed, well, that's just "collateral damage". So in Babs case I think the Babs encourages "drunk driving regardless of people getting killed".
Yes, what is the argument? According to Babs saying "Red equals blue.... blue is a color... therefore all colors are RED" proved that "Babs supports Bush, Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan are violent, therefore Babs supports violence." is not true. Now if I say "Red is a colour, the apple is red, therefore the apple is coloured"I guess by Babs "logic" that proves that "Babs supports Bush, Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan are violent, therefore Babs supports violence." is true.
But really none of it has anything to do with "Babs supports Bush, Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan are violent, therefore Babs supports violence."
I don't care if that doesn't fit into Babs idea of herself as not supporting violence, Babs supports violence in a very direct way. Violence is the actual, predictable, and foreseeable results of her support of Bush. Babs is responsible, in part, for the deaths that have occurred because of Bush.
Bash me all you want, it won't change the truth.
Gimpy-a-gogo2009-01-02 10:28:27Gimpy: be careful, I may act on my violent nature all over you! a thought which is as humorous as your posts!!! I am seriously LMAO here.
I just cannot believe you spend so much time defending such a load of crap!!!
IO: you're absolutely right.
You're welcome, Lynn... keep up the great work!! [QUOTE=lorster]What does that have to do with bush/iraq/violence? Man, I'm confused about this one kweenb.[/QUOTE]
if you think you're confused after reading kweenb's post... read on after that a thought which is as humorous as your posts!!! I am seriously LMAO here.
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Wow, trying to belittle me and calling my post "crap" really revealed the supposed "flaws" in the logic.
Babs, if you could expose flaws in that logic you know you would in heart beat, but since there are none and you can't I guess you're reduced to your usual back up; being rude.
Yep, you really showed me. no.. Gimp... It's like beating my head against a wall.. YOU cannot see the error of your ways... the rest of the world sees the colors... you.. see black and white...... Think of what a shame that is....
you continue to feel the need to repeat the same things over and over elaborating on the illusion you've built ........ knock yourself out...
please...
save me the efforts with my violence....
[QUOTE=babs10] no.. Gimp... the rest of the world sees the colors... you.. see black and white......
Actually, Gimpy sees the colors of the world and babs, you will only look at black and white. But, please take responsibility for the part each of you played in getting him elected. What he has done is beyond my ability to comprehend. It will take many years to repair the damage done by him and his administration. Shame on him for what he has done.
Gimpy, I honestly believe that some of these people are truly ashamed of themselves for voting for him but for some reason, they continue to defend him. Maybe it is out of guilt because deep down, they know they play a part in the Iraq disaster.Gimpy,
Do you support people's right to choose the religion they practice regardless of what that religion is?
Kweenb, I'm curious about your question to gimpy.....but let me ask you a question.
Do you support peoples right to not practice a religion? Or do you think everyone should be a christian?
can you all believe these two... ????
they feel the right to TELL me what I did.. and what I believe in..
amazing!
you both, Gimp and Lor, may continue to carry on your childish ways....
I ...... being the sole adult in this discussion among the three of us... has stated the facts.. and I am walking away.. the thing adults know how to do when the attempts to bring knowledge and understanding into a conversation are met w/ the same repetitive jargon sounding like a robotic chant.
[QUOTE=lorster]Kweenb, I'm curious about your question to gimpy.....but let me ask you a question.
Do you support peoples right to not practice a religion? Or do you think everyone should be a christian?
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Lorster, I wasn't talking to you.
Kweenb. Does that mean you don't want to answer the question?
My question was independent of yours to Gimpy.
If you are able to ask Gimpy a question, I find it as fair to ask you a question.[QUOTE=lorster]Kweenb. Does that mean you don't want to answer the question?
My question was independent of yours to Gimpy.
If you are able to ask Gimpy a question, I find it as fair to ask you a question.[/QUOTE]
My question had to do with "support." You want to turn this into an argument about Christianity. I'm not going there.
[QUOTE=kweenb] Gimpy,
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[QUOTE=kweenb] You want to turn this into an argument about Christianity. I'm not going there.[/QUOTE]
If you have some point you want to say, just say it. [QUOTE=babs10]
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Yeah, well, that's the second time you've been "done" with this discussion so I'm not getting my hopes up.IO-
Unusual topic name. That is for sure.
now you want to trash talk to someone about their religion? and their beliefs?
nice..
really nice.
[QUOTE=Jan Lucinda]IO-
Unusual topic name. That is for sure.
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[QUOTE=babs10] now you want to trash talk to someone about their religion? and their beliefs?
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Babs, who was trash talking religion? Was this question for me?Lorster, I'm curious about your question and Kweenb's ... I am christian. I support everyone's right to believe and/or not believe whatever they want. As well as associate with whatever and whomever they wish, so long as it doesn't infringe upon anybody's right to do the same... I was brought up Catholic. I was a Catholic Youth Minister, I taught math/algebra at a Jewish middle school. Tutored at a Jewish High School. I have friends that range from agnostic, to deeply religious in quite a few different religions. I believe that to be a very personal matter and I have never tried to convert anyone to anything.... So I am curious where you guys were going with this line???... [QUOTE=kweenb] Gimpy,
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Jose, maybe you should start with kweenb and take her to task, after all, she is the one who started this. But then I guess, that is ok. It was ok for her to ask and not me. [QUOTE=lorster] [QUOTE=kweenb] Gimpy,
Do you support people's right to choose the religion they practice regardless of what that religion is?
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Jose, maybe you should start with kweenb and take her to task, after all, she is the one who started this. But then I guess, that is ok. It was ok for her to ask and not me. [/QUOTE]
Huh??
Furthermore, I totally respect your right to believe and anyone elses right to believe. I also believe, just don't reveal my particular beliefs to anyone. I don't wear what I believe on my sleeve and I don't group people based on who or what they believe in. What bothers me about any religion is when someone USES their religion to position themselves. We are all human first. I just don't appreciate that holier than thou attitude that some forum members display on here....like it somehow makes them a better human. When the day is done, they are still a human, capable of making mistakes.
I never trashed anyones religion, nor would I. Lorster, I wasn't taking anyone "to task". I was curious. I have never seen you bash anyone for their beliefs. I also believe that religion is a deeply personal thing. I am not shy when asked but I do not push it on anyone. Even when I was a Youth minister, I had a bunch of teenage kids that joined my program for the fun activities. They were never pushed to go beyond that. I believe it to be rude and inexcusable.... Anyway, you're ok by me [QUOTE=babs10] now you want to trash talk to someone about their religion? and their beliefs?
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I don't know who you're refering to, you adult, but it was KweenB who brought up religion. I haven't made a single reference to it.
I thought you were done with all this. That lasted a couple of hours.[QUOTE=pincushion]Hell and i thought RA was a confusing disease.....tuned into this thread and im more confused than ever[/QUOTE]
I'm with you. Nice to know that we're starting the new year the same way we ended the old one..........
Loser,
Leave me out of your petty bullsh*t fights.
Phats[QUOTE=José]Lorster, I'm curious about your question and Kweenb's ... I am christian. I support everyone's right to believe and/or not believe whatever they want. As well as associate with whatever and whomever they wish, so long as it doesn't infringe upon anybody's right to do the same... I was brought up Catholic. I was a Catholic Youth Minister, I taught math/algebra at a Jewish middle school. Tutored at a Jewish High School. I have friends that range from agnostic, to deeply religious in quite a few different religions. I believe that to be a very personal matter and I have never tried to convert anyone to anything.... So I am curious where you guys were going with this line???... [/QUOTE]
Jose, I am a Christian and I believe what you said in your post.
I was just hoping Gimpy would answer the question. I was going to give her another analogy, but she isn't playing.
kweenb2009-01-02 20:42:42[QUOTE=Lynn49][QUOTE=babs10]It's a shame that they haven't updated this site...
Lynn49 has loads of great information to be added that would bring things current...and Pip! has alot of info on other options....
well... at least we can find it in the forum!!
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Glad you like the info I post Babs [/QUOTE]
Lynn49..Simply put..You rock.. You give great info on RA stuff. That said I go away for a short while and I see Dumb and Dumber still at it...
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