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A team of Emory University School of Medicine scientists compared 100 Parkinson’s patients to the same number each of Alzheimer’s sufferers and healthy control subjects in order to evaluate the possibility that neurodegenerative diseases in general lead to vitamin D insufficiency, says author Marian Evatt, assistant professor of neurology at Emory.

Vitamin D insufficiency is typically defined as less than 30 nanograms per milliliter (ng/mL) of blood of the 25-hydroxy form of the vitamin. Deficiency is less than 20 ng/mL. A normal result is 30 ng/mL and above. Most experts agree insufficiency and deficiency warrant supplementation.

Fortified foods such as milk and packaged cereals are a minor source of the vitamin, while salmon and tuna come by it naturally. Exposure to sunshine can also help up a person's levels.

The study found that the percent of patients with the lowest levels of vitamin D, who were deficient, was higher (23%) in the Parkinson’s group than the Alzheimer’s group (16%) or the healthy group (10%).

Evatt says the Emory clinicians are currently investigating whether vitamin D insufficiency is a result of having Parkinson’s and could play a role in causing the disease. In a pilot study, patients with Parkinson’s disease are receiving either standard or larger doses of vitamin D, to discover if the severity of the disease is impacted.

the more of this we hear....  the more I"m sure it's vital....
 
thanks, Lynn
[QUOTE=babs10]the more of this we hear....  the more I"m sure it's vital....
 
thanks, Lynn
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I think so too!
Lynn. Are there not different types of Vit D test. How do you know which onew to getI guess smokers have less of a risk of getting Parkinsons. They are trialing nicotine patches on Parkinsons patients right now.   Sorry, just reminded me of that. Thought I would share.[QUOTE=6t5frlane]Lynn. Are there not different types of Vit D test. How do you know which onew to get[/QUOTE]
 
This should help
http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/vitamin_d/sample.html
Lynn492009-01-07 10:06:58Lynn. A question. Which is bettter. Daily dosing, or weekly high dosing? Have you read which is better?"A team of Emory University School of Medicine scientists compared 100 Parkinson’s patients to the same number each of Alzheimer’s sufferers and healthy control subjects in order to evaluate the possibility that neurodegenerative diseases in general lead to vitamin D insufficiency, says author Marian Evatt, assistant professor of neurology at Emory.

There are some doctors believe that people with disease have less Vitamin D because a lot of disease genes use D25 to express themselves, so the disease is using the Vitamin D to get stronger, and that's why patients have low vitamin D when tested.

So what came first? The deficiency or the disease?

I have no idea which side is correct. I just thought I'd throw that in there since there's no "Don't Supplement with Vitamin D" Lobby group.

From Wikipedia:
"Marshall concluded that ARBs produce unexpected symptoms in sarcoidosis patients by directly affecting the immune system. Later, in 2006, he performed a study using mathematical modeling and molecular genomics to examine how ARBs are able to modulate the nuclear receptors of the immune system. He concluded that these models show that the vitamin D receptor (VDR) must be activated in order for the body to mount a correct innate immunity response.[32]
He did further studies in molecular modeling in order to understand the precise effect of vitamin D metabolites on the VDR. He concluded that 25-hydroxy vitamin D, which has the actions of a steroid, binds and inactivates the receptor, shutting down the body’s first line of defense against intra-cellular infection.[33]
In 2008, Marshall published a paper exploring how, in his words, "lifelong supplementation of the food chain with vitamin D might well be contributing to the current epidemics of obesity and chronic disease."[34]"[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]"A team of Emory University School of Medicine scientists compared 100 Parkinson’s patients to the same number each of Alzheimer’s sufferers and healthy control subjects in order to evaluate the possibility that neurodegenerative diseases in general lead to vitamin D insufficiency, says author Marian Evatt, assistant professor of neurology at Emory.

There are some doctors believe that people with disease have less Vitamin D because a lot of disease genes use D25 to express themselves, so the disease is using the Vitamin D to get stronger, and that's why patients have low vitamin D when tested.

So what came first? The deficiency or the disease?

I have no idea which side is correct. I just thought I'd throw that in there since there's no "Don't Supplement with Vitamin D" Lobby group.

From Wikipedia:
"Marshall concluded that ARBs produce unexpected symptoms in sarcoidosis patients by directly affecting the immune system. Later, in 2006, he performed a study using mathematical modeling and molecular genomics to examine how ARBs are able to modulate the nuclear receptors of the immune system. He concluded that these models show that the vitamin D receptor (VDR) must be activated in order for the body to mount a correct innate immunity response.[32]
He did further studies in molecular modeling in order to understand the precise effect of vitamin D metabolites on the VDR. He concluded that 25-hydroxy vitamin D, which has the actions of a steroid, binds and inactivates the receptor, shutting down the body’s first line of defense against intra-cellular infection.[33]
In 2008, Marshall published a paper exploring how, in his words, "lifelong supplementation of the food chain with vitamin D might well be contributing to the current epidemics of obesity and chronic disease."[34]"[/QUOTE]
 
 
Are you stalking me?  LOL
No, Lynn, I am participating intelligently in this discussion about Vitamin D.

Does every thread have to degenerate into a fight with you?[QUOTE=lorster]Lynn. A question. Which is bettter. Daily dosing, or weekly high dosing? Have you read which is better?[/QUOTE]
 
I haven't read anything recently about which is better..........This might help.
 
http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/generalscience.html
whoa!  that's alot of information!!  [QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo] "A team of Emory University School of Medicine scientists compared 100 Parkinson’s patients to the same number each of Alzheimer’s sufferers and healthy control subjects in order to evaluate the possibility that neurodegenerative diseases in general lead to vitamin D insufficiency, says author Marian Evatt, assistant professor of neurology at Emory.

There are some doctors believe that people with disease have less Vitamin D because a lot of disease genes use D25 to express themselves, so the disease is using the Vitamin D to get stronger, and that's why patients have low vitamin D when tested.

So what came first? The deficiency or the disease?

I have no idea which side is correct. I just thought I'd throw that in there since there's no "Don't Supplement with Vitamin D" Lobby group.

From Wikipedia:




"Marshall concluded that ARBs produce unexpected symptoms in sarcoidosis patients by directly affecting the immune system. Later, in 2006, he performed a study using mathematical modeling and molecular genomics to examine how ARBs are able to modulate the nuclear receptors of the immune system. He concluded that these models show that the vitamin D receptor (VDR) must be activated in order for the body to mount a correct innate immunity response.[32]
He did further studies in molecular modeling in order to understand the precise effect of vitamin D metabolites on the VDR. He concluded that 25-hydroxy vitamin D, which has the actions of a steroid, binds and inactivates the receptor, shutting down the body’s first line of defense against intra-cellular infection.[33]
In 2008, Marshall published a paper exploring how, in his words, "lifelong supplementation of the food chain with vitamin D might well be contributing to the current epidemics of obesity and chronic disease."[34]"[/QUOTE]



well sheesh, now i have to ask, should i take it or not?
lorster2009-01-07 17:19:15Lorster, also some doctors believe that if you take oral vitamin D supplements it eventually interferes with or creates and inability for your body to synthesise vitamin D itself, so if you do decide to "supplement" vitamin D the tanning bed is the way to go.And I'm always lecturing my daughter to stay out of the tanning beds. so those of us on these meds.. MTX and NSAIDS..... are screwed.. because it's ill advised to expose yourself to tanning ...
 
IDK. seems like the only option is oral.
I'm becoming even more interested in this Steroid/Vitamin D thing.  My mom was put on D by her doc, some huge amount.  I talked her out of it...so I thought.  She was taking one of the huge caps instead of both.  Anyway, the doc called her and told her to stop taking the D as she went sky high on her numbers after her last blood draw.  She admitted to him she was only taking half and they told her to stop it all then. 
 
So, get this - apparently her blue skin might be from the Vitamin D and not from the Mino.  Can you believe that?  I just ran a search on "Vitamin D" and hyperpigmentation and got a lot of hits but haven't had time to read it all as school is back in session and I'm slammed after my relaxing (not) vacation.  I tried to cut the search down to 'blue skin" and "Vitamin D" and got all kinds of non-related stuff.  Maybe I'll go to Pubmed later this evening.
 
The doc also changed her HBP meds back to her old script because that could be causing the blue skin.
 
Does everything cause blue skin in AI people?
 
Pip
Blue skin can also be caused by colloid silver. Is she drinking that?The other thing...Is her skin blue from cyanosis? That is a whole different story.Pip, what kind of numbers are we talking about? I mean, what are her labs measuring that the doctor thought the Vitamin D caused them to go sky high?Lori - no the doc told her it was from her meds.  And she doesn't do the silver thing.  I understand the logic behind it...but that scares me.
 
GoGo - I have no idea as why in the world wouldn't you mention this when I was in town?  And she's getting up there in age...apparently it's rude to ask for paperwork when you leave the doctors office.  All I know is what she told me...the doc called and she has to stop the D.  And the blue skin on her legs (and now she mentioned her foot or her calf so I haven't seen it so I can't swear where it is) is probably the HBP meds or the Mino - except - with high numbers she could be getting D toxic and I'm the one that ran the search on D and hypersensitivity.  I just didn't expect to get all the hits I got.  It just seems to me that if the labs show high D and she stops the D and the blue goes away...that might mean that the problem was the D and not the Mino or the HBP med.  Or a combination of all three.  I just thought it interesting because of the 'which came first - disease or blue skin' or whatever like you posted. 
 
Seriously - Lori - how many of our meds could cause blue skin?  Is this an AI thing?
 
Pip
Well, why did the doc put her on D in the first place? And what's she taking mino for?

Discolouration from mino usually manifests on the leg. I do have a scar on my arm that turned blue from mino, though. I had a blackberry bush scratch that I got a lot of sun on this summer and so it tuned a purply blue, but since then it's faded a lot and I suspect it will eventually go away.[QUOTE=babs10]so those of us on these meds.. MTX and NSAIDS..... are screwed.. because it's ill advised to expose yourself to tanning ...
 
IDK. seems like the only option is oral.
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Babs, when I was on MTX I continued to get my Vitamin D the "natural" way.  I would spend 15 to 20 minutes outside sans sunscreen.  I never had a problem with the sun....During the winter months in Michigan, I do supplement though.
 
So far my D levels have stayed up in the normal range and I no longer suffer from muscular weakness and achiness.
 
  Just a little Vitamin D tidbit
 
A fair-skinned person can manufacture 15,000 IU or more of vitamin D in as little as 30 minutes of optimal sun exposure.
 
 
ps...I've never turned blue
She had low D levels so apparently, at least for her, the test she should have used was the one that tests how you convert the D.  I need to see a doc here and get all those D tests run for me AGAIN to see how I do as the Great U doc still wants me on D and I'm still saying 'no'.  In this case, there is a chance I could have the same gene she does. 

She's taking Mino for OA and has reported 'her back doesn't hurt anymore' and she can sleep for the first time in decades.  I want her to keep on it (the blue is on her legs and who cares???) because of the research on memory loss. 

Nikkilynn -

I haven't turned blue from Mino either.  If I do, then there must be a gene involved.  My question is - why do all these meds make us turn blue?  Yesterday I saw a list of meds that cause blue skin.  I don't think its the med anymore.  I think it's the body and metabolization.
 
Pip
PS - GoGo - where did you get the stuff you posted yesterday.  Part was from Marshall.  Was the top stuff too?  Because if the microbes reroute D receptors (as have been shown before in HPA axis studies on the adreanals)...then I'm saying Chicken and not Egg.
 
 
[QUOTE=Pip!] Lori - no the doc told her it was from her meds.  And she doesn't do the silver thing.  I understand the logic behind it...but that scares me.





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Pip, the only thing I have ever heard that turned the skin blue is colloid silver but I'm sure there are others. I wonder if silver based meds such as silvadine and such would do the same. The other thing. Is what they are referring to considered a stasis discoloration, where the hue of the skin deepens, especially in the lower legs where the circulation is more compromised? This may be what it is and it can take on a blue appearance at times. You can also see ulcers when this happens and weeping edema. There are meds that can turn urine weird colors. I will ask the hospitalist when I work tomorrow. Thanks Lori, I really appreciate it.  On my list today is to call Mom (she's a night owl and sleeps in past noon) and ask her some more questions like 'Read me the Vitamin D bottle'.  I know for a fact she still has it - "just in case".  She still has meds from before my Dad died - and yes, every time I'm there I find some and take it out of the house.  Sheesh!  She also sent me a list of her meds a while ago and I'm going to search 'side effects' and 'counter indications' and see what else can be causing this.  It's possible she has a leg ulcer and hasn't seen it as she is pretty immobile with her fused back and replaced knee.  She walks, but barely.  My grandmother had leg ulcers that never healed - scared me to death as a kid.
 
Pip

curious, Lori.. and  a little off topic.

re: weeping edema....  my dad has a friend who had her hip replaced as he did.. she has weeping sore on her leg from no injury at all.. just cracked open weeping.....  is that the same??
It might be the same as my Grandmother's leg ulcers.
 
Lori and All -
 
OK, called mom but FORGOT to ask about the leg.  She recently cracked a tooth and refuses to go to the doctor until she gets that fixed.  I asked her to at least call the doc and find out why she's on 2 HBP meds and 2 cholesterol meds. 
 
And she's on a lot more D than she thinks.  The doc put her on 2 2000 IU Carlson's Vitamin D of which she was only taking one cap - but in her supps she's also taking D-3, Salmon Oil, and I think (don't have the list infront of me) 3 other vitamin combo's with D in it.  This might explain it. 
 
She wants to use them up before she stops them.  Arrrrgh!
 
Pip
PS - I'm pulling her records for her because her potassium is really high too (bad for the heart) and I want to know what the numbers show.  This is going to take a few weeks.Pip, the stuff I posted is from Wikipedia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_MarshallThanks!Bump for Lori!
 
Pip
Vitamin D is sooooo confusing. I found this from Dr. Mirkin :

"I have found that tanning beds provide almost no vitamin D. Ultraviolet light is classified into UVA and UVB. UVB are the rays that cause skin cancer. They are also the rays that cause the skin to manufacture vitamin D. Since manufacturers of tanning bulbs are concerned about skin cancer, they reduce the percentage of UVB emitted from tanning lamps. This also markedly reduces the rays that provide vitamin D."

So I take back my tanning bed comment. I guess we all just need to move to a sunny climate and take up gardening.
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