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I'm so excited for today. That we are alive and able to witness this historic event. I wish I could be there but it is definitely warmer where I'm at. I took the day off work to celebrate this. I hope everyone here is able to watch this today. I too am thrilled. I have high hopes for our country, and though I don't pray I am praying that he  has God's guidance.

 
 When I was 7 I listened to JFK's innaugural spech (I was home with  measles) and the line that struck me was not the "ask not" but instead.."On Earth, God's work must truly be our own." to me it meant I personally could do things to make the world a better place.
 
Let's do it.

 To quote Jon Stewert ..Remember as he is being sworn in 48% of the country will also be swearing. The way the economic climate is many cannot or will not take a day off. Unless you are one of the many that has been laid off. Take comfort in that they are only spending approx 150 million today. 

It snowed here last night so we are home watching it. I didn't vote for Obama....but I too feel the excitement that is shared by so many American's there today. It's hard not to feel hopeful about the changes ahead. I refuse to be negative about the future that is ahead of us all.
 
Despite my vote in November....I support our new President and wish him and his family all the best in the years ahead.
I haven't spent even a full minute watching any part of the inauguration or the events leading up to it.  This may be historic, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's good.  The sinking of the Titanic is also a historic event.  I just heard that Obama will not show and just put himself down as " present ". Also a huge security issue. One Hundred Tanker trucks were spotted and then stopped on the outskirts of DC. They thought it may have been a terrorist issue but luckily they were just carrying Kool Aid to the attendeesHere in the UK we too are watching the coverage on Sky and Fox news...An amazing day for so many people all over the world. My children have been sat in front of the tv for a while enjoying history being madeWell,

I'm glad the day is finally here. Now he can start performing. We will be able to see if he is going to be good for the people or for those he owes. President Obama has a golden opportunity. If he really becomes what he claims to be and not something that came from and made by the bowels of the most corrupt political club in the United States, good for us and good for our country. I feel good for today because Lorster's patients are safer.

LEV

Lev " because Lorsters patients are safer "   LOL I just spit out my coffee. Lev, ugliness goes right to the bone and there may be good reasons you are so sick. You could probably do your disease some good if you would fill the glass up and keep it at least half full.Well, I am really happy for Americans and the world. I wish we had a leader who was so inspiring and showed so much potential.Wow his speech was wonderful. He maybe the president but hes still a father first, making sure his little girls were ok and that his wife was too..I think he brings a fresh and real approach to the white house. I wish him good luck but i dont think he needs it .Lorster,

I'm not being ugly. I don't have the problems you do. You are the one that is always sick and troubled. I went from 25 mgs of mtx to 0 mgs of mtx overnight. I went from 20 mgs of prednisone to now 4mgs of prednisone in about 3 1/2 months. You don't see me writing about all my pains and troubles. I said that your patients are safer because I actually believe it. So many times you have posted that the doctors, admin and hospital where you work are stupid. You have many times said that you are passing out poisons to your patients and that the doctors of your hospital are over-medicating your patients. You are one day sweet as Tupelo honey and the next day talking like a woman possessed. It's just the sad and scarey truth.

LEV

I'm so proud of the United States and it's people.  Lindy

I hope for the best for OUR country and for our new President and his family.

 

 We are in need of a rescue. I did not vote for our new president, but many others did. I pray things work out. I hope at the end of the day, we have a president that can create change and reform that is needed to rescue the United States of America. I also believe there has been an excessive amount of money spent on this day. We are in a depression. I have heard $ 160 million. I support our President because I support our country. 

Tink

I am not that inspired, but I hope to be soon.
 
Tink
[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Well, I am really happy for Americans and the world. I wish we had a leader who was so inspiring and showed so much potential.[/QUOTE]
 
We will trade you him for two Hockey players and a case of Molson

Well, Lorster I do share in your excitement. 

I am hopeful things will turn around but then I was always hopeful.

I think he is trying to help others to be hopeful as well so that they can then focus on doing rather than complaining.

I guess I feel pride also. Proud of who he is as a person and proud of the majority who voted for him.  We humans are social creatures.  We focus on being included and given a fair chance. and now that is realized, I think we can now move forward and focus on doing our part to make our country a place where everyone has a chance for success and prosperity. You really do have to deal with the emotional to make way for the practical.  I think you will see a lot more people enlisting to the military and wanting to do their part in many ways at home and abroad.  The last thing anyone wants is for this country to fail. and I think we were all worried about that at first.  For many it is the only home we have ever known. many people have never even been outside of their state, let alone the country.  yet was always made to feel this was not their country regardless of how many wars their fathers and forefathers fought in to defend this country, the only place they have ever known as home.  

He mentioned cutting programs that no longer worked or have never worked. so he is already looking for ways to save money. he talked about creating jobs. it was very inspirational.  All we can do now is our part and allow a reasonable amount of time for the change to take shape when these adjustments are made.

 

so overall I am hopeful and proud of the country.

 [QUOTE=levlarry] Lorster,I'm not being ugly. I don't have the problems you do. You are the one that is always sick and troubled. I went from 25 mgs of mtx to 0 mgs of mtx overnight. I went from 20 mgs of prednisone to now 4mgs of prednisone in about 3 1/2 months. You don't see me writing about all my pains and troubles. I said that your patients are safer because I actually believe it. So many times you have posted that the doctors, admin and hospital where you work are stupid. You have many times said that you are passing out poisons to your patients and that the doctors of your hospital are over-medicating your patients. You are one day sweet as Tupelo honey and the next day talking like a woman possessed. It's just the sad and scarey truth.LEV
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This thread is not about you and me Lev, it is about our new president. This is where this ends.I am celebrating the end of President George W Bush. Good BYE!
I must admit, I liked the shots of the moving trucks in front of the White House.
 
Buh-bye!
 
I'm soooo excited about Obama!  Anybody catch his speech were he mentioned something about best scientific minds to beat disease and something about health for all.  I anxiously await the transcript.
 
Pip
It has been a very moving, beautifully memorable and historic day.  How wonderful to see our nation swelling with pride once again, believing in the promise of what it means to be an American.  I feel very blessed to live in a country where such a tremendous peaceful change of power is possible. 
 
 
I am not excited about it and won't waste time watching it.  I do find it interesting that he's spending tons of money on his inauguration.  This one is supposed to top any before him in spending.  Interesting.........
 
I wish him and his family well, and I hope he does well for all of us..........but I'd be shocked if he did since he has no experience. 
I.. Am sad. Sad to hear so many talk about how NOW they are proud to be Americans. NOW they have hope...  How bleak must their lives be that it takes a man that has done absolutely nothing so far gives them hope. Yes, he made some very pretty and alluring promises. And I promise you all this, IF he delivers. I will be the first one beating the Obama drum and getting in line to vote for him for a second term. Only a fool would wish otherwise. Only a fool would pray for anything but his success. However, I fail to be proud or hopeful simply because he has taken office. I'm a little more ground in reality than that.... But for the record, I've always been Proud to be an American and Hopeful for a future that living in a country like the USA can afford me and my family...
 
Anyone hear the blessing at the ceremonies? Apparently all things evil begin with being White. Good thing I am not. Ok, I'll need to work on my tan a bit but most people don't consider Mexican as White. Heh...
I thought the vast majority of the money spent on inauguration festivities was donated and not paid from taxes, so if that's so wouldn't it be a good thing to get that money into economic circulation?

This was on the current event thread, but obviously many here missed it. Hopefully this can assuage the concerns of people looking at inauguration expenses.

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200901170003?f=h_column


The media myth about the cost of Obama's inauguration
by Eric Boehlert

Did you hear that "some are saying" Barack Obama's inauguration will cost "0 million," which is 0 million more than George W. Bush's last swearing-in? That's the tale the crew at Fox & Friends was telling on January 15. "Why does the thing have to cost so much?" demanded co-host Gretchen Carlson. "I don't get it. George Bush spent .3 million and that was just four years ago." She wondered why Obama needed "another 0 million" for his celebration.

The Fox News crew wasn't alone. The Internet and cable news were filled with chatter about the jaw-dropping (and unsubstantiated) number suddenly attached to Obama's swearing-in. But the sloppy reporting and online gossip about the price tag illustrated what happens when journalists don't do their job and online partisans take advantage of that kind of work.

It also highlighted the type of news you can generate when making blatantly false comparisons. In this case, it was the cost of the Obama and Bush inaugurations. The connection was unfair because the Obama figure of 0 million that got repeated in the press included security costs associated with the massive event. But the Bush tab of million left out those enormous costs. Talk about stacking the deck.

The misinformation first arrived in the form of an underreported newspaper article in America, and then one in London. Between them, and thanks to furious transatlantic online linking, the reports gave birth to the story that Obama's inauguration was going to cost nearly four times what the country spent on Bush's bash in 2005 -- that the Obama inauguration would cost almost 0 million more.

Later, the article breaks down the actual cost of the last inauguration, Bushes second one:
You read that correctly. The federal government spent 5 million dollars for the 2005 inauguration. Keep in mind, that 5 million price tag was separate from the money Bush backers bundled to put on the inauguration festivities. For that, they raised million. So the bottom line for Bush's 2005 inauguration, including the cost of security? That's right, 7 million.

Unless the Obama inauguration tab (including security) ends up costing 0 million, we can safely say it certainly won't cost four times what the Bush bash did in 2005. And unless the Obama inauguration tab (including security) runs to 7 million, we can safely say the event won't cost 0 million more than Bush's, as Fox & Friends claimed.


And read the rest at the above link.

Again, neighbours, I congratulate you on your new President!Gimpy-a-gogo2009-01-20 14:57:00Jose - I didn't hear anything anti-white in the blessings.  I think you need the transcript as much as I do.  LOL 
 
Don't you think we all lost hope as some of our basic freedoms were erroded under the now past administration?  Don't people lose hope when they think they are worse off than their parents were?  Our middle class has had their jobs outsourced WITH the factory jobs.  No, I'm not seeing a lot of hope with the past administration. 
 
The hope now is that he can 'undo' some of this to protect the people.  The loss of hope is going to come if he doesn't.
 
Didn't you see the part about 'building roads, needed infrastructure' etc.  He's talking WPA type of stuff - all things FDR did to help the people on the bottom.  This was the longest expansionist market in history that did nothing to improve basic infrastructure in our country.  The money being made went only to a few - and the rest of us - in aging cities around the country are wrestling with trying to get the funds to rebuild things. 
 
For example - trying to rebuild sewer systems that have decayed into obselescence (spelling).  The home owners don't want to pay for it with taxes, the cities don't have the revenue and the new builders don't want to pay for it out of their profits.  Who is left? 
 
Pip
This -
 
"It also highlighted the type of news you can generate when making blatantly false comparisons"
 
- is why I don't consider Fox to be true journalism.
 
Pip
Hi Pip.
 
This is what I read. Is this not correct?
 
Benediction at Obama 's inauguration, Rev. Joseph Lowery: 'Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen'...
 
And no. I did not lose Hope. President Bush made the best of a bad situation many times. I know you and others like you don't believe that. That is your right. I sure hope that you hold Obama to the same standard. We'll see... You have to remember that not all of us believe that Obama is the Savior and it was his time. Roughly half of us to be exact. So again. No I never lost hope and Obama does not inspire it in me.
 
Lastly, Government trying to "create" jobs is a very bad idea. Government should get out of the way and let small businesses do their thing. Big business doing theri thing wouldn't hurt... AND if Obama is so deadd set in spending 1 trillion dollars in a stimulus package, how about actually giving it to the people? Do you know anything less efficient than government programs and projects?....
 
Be well...
Hey Jose,
I agree with you, I have always been proud to be American.  We have been spoiled and afforded excesses commercially.that some countries cant believe.   All this talk about how hard the times are, the depression etc is overkill. It's not like we are standing in line for rations.  And Hope should always be there. I hope the TALK does the WALK 
 
 
I woke at 5.30 am and have watched the all of this inauguration day since then. Just a wonderful wonderful thing and I am SO happy for the whole world that you have elected this man to be your President!
To the ' knockers', it has to be said that the last administration sure didn't deliver so things can surely only get better. Eventually , given the state of the world right now. Obama is many things but a magician he is not.
 And 'YES HE CAN'.
 
I think I may open a bottle of Californian wine about now. [QUOTE=LinB]

I'm so proud of the United States and it's people.  Lindy

[/QUOTE] I don't usually do these threads but I can't resist today. Why not throw my ideas into the cauldron here?  Well Jose,
It's one of those things you have to walk a mile in someone's shoes to know my friend.  No one can explain it to you.
But I will say I and many of us who are now very proud of our country for turning over a new leaf in our country, and looking past race to see qualifications first, we always knew and felt lucky to be a part of America.  We never defined ourselves as anything else.  WE didn't.  We don't know anything else other than America.  We don't have a country adjacent to this country's border to visit and keep up with our heritage.  We only have America, so that is all we know. and if you haven't noticed the racial tension in the last 5 or so decades, then you have been living under a rock.  Well, now it feels like less tension there. and that's what we are proud of.  and we are hopeful.
Now that doesn't mean we are not going to be looking for action and not hold them accountable for the promises they are making.  No one is that blind.  However, it is hopeful and a proud feeling to watch most of us come together, put aside our differences and work on a common goal in rebuilding this country's status for our children and our children's children..
If you don't share the same perspective, then that's fine, but allow others to feel proud and I promise it doesn't bring any harm to you in them doing so.
We all know we already live in the free-est country in the world. We knew that.  Why do you think you see so many minorities enlisting and dying to defend this freedom.  Even I was ready to hobble over there and enlist with my severely arthritic hands and hips when 9/11 hit.  We all felt that same PRIDE back then when George Bush first became president.  The only difference now is everyone feels included, united, and motivated like at a pep rally in the middle of tough economic times, and two wars, etc. and now we can snap out of it, rolls up our sleeves and get to work. for those of us who needed that pep talk.  some of us didn't need it and had not given up. but a lot of people did.  so they got the pep rally, they can get to work now, be happy.
 
 
 
 
I feel hopeful excited and very buoyant about the future of this country. The inauguration was very fitting and his speech brought a tear to my eye.Shelly I am happy. I have no problem with you being proud and hopeful. It's just sad that it's just NOW that so many are proud. When there's so much to be proud of...
 
Walk in who's shoe's? I am a minority. I have seen the ugly side of life, the way a white man never would. I refuse to live it....
 
BTW racial equality will truly be achieved when the President's race is unremarked upon. Not when it's the source of the pride. Don't you think?
 
Do you really think that " The only difference now is everyone feels included, united, and motivated"? because all you need to do is look at this thread to see that not everyone is...
Snow, I couldn't agree with you more... I too wish him the best. For him to fail miserably would do untold damage to our country.... Also, the sense of history is not lost on me... I'm just not ready to drink the Kool-Aid. And the whole Messiah talk scares me, quite frankly... Jose, if this thread is anything to go by, the only people pounding away at the "colour issue" are all Republicans who don't support Obama, and the only ones I've ever heard refer to him as a "messiah" are the same. Seems to me you have an issue with your own thought process. [QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Jose, if this thread is anything to go by, the only people pounding away at the "colour issue" are all Republicans who don't support Obama, and the only ones I've ever heard refer to him as a "messiah" are the same. Seems to me you have an issue with your own thought process.[/QUOTE]

Do you spend much time in American working-class black neighborhoods?
JasmineRain2009-01-20 19:01:25Why? Is there one on this thread? [QUOTE=José] Hi Pip.












[/QUOTE]




I interpreted that very different Jose. What I extracted from it was it is time for whites to stop thinking they are supreme and start righting the wrongs of the past.
lorster2009-01-20 22:21:02Jose,
It's no use.  You are obviously set in your ways and I am too tired from the RA beating I am getting right now to try to change your mind.  RA has my legs swollen like two balloons.  If you want to twist things all around then go ahead. 
But please don't pay attention to what you see on TV if that is where you get the messiah thing.  People are just excited and don't know where to put the energy or what to say.  I think the new pres. would be the first to tell you he wasn't born in a manger and he is human and makes mistakes like everyone else.
I think there are different types of pride and that the inclusiveness and unity that's happening at this moment and the hope is that it lasts. but the pride is that it even took place in the first place, that people actually looked past race.  that was not possible 50 years ago.  I can't put it any simpler than that.  So the feeling is that the race thing is no longer an issue for the majority and that itself is something to be proud of.  You either want to get it or you don't and that's okay.  it takes all kinds to make up this great big old world.
And yes I know you are a minority.  You have made that really obvious from the beginning.  It doesn't matter to me, does it matter to you?

take it easy now.

 

Lev,
You have some serious issues.  Somebody did something really bad to you.  You got to let it go or it will eat you up.

They were just joking.  They weren't serious.  I don't know the rhyme but there was rhyme or something they made up to deal with discrimination in the past.  It was something like "blacks get back, browns get out of town." so now he is saying since we have turned over a new leaf, that no longer applies. now he is saying browns stick around, so on and so forth,  and I think he just wanted to include everybody so he made a rhyme for yellow and so on. but it was said in fun and it was a playful prayer.  You were supposed to see the humor and inclusiveness in it, not take it as a racist comment.  You are way too wound up about different people and different ideals.  Relax.  Being upset causes a flareup of your RA, raises your bp,, you know the rest....more pain.

 

I don't know the rapper's name, but he came up with some thoughtful lyrics:

Rosa Parks sat, so Martin could walk, so Obama could run, so we can fly.
I think this is totally cool:


Obama unveils new presidential web site:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/

Change has come to America:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/Joie,
I am not that hip, although I try to keep up with the young people but just waay too busy trying to out run RA these days.  I could be wrong but that sounds like something will.I.am.  might sing.  he says his name funny but very insightful rapper. a serious thinker.It was Jay Z - and he just used it from other people. 
 
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1603048/20090120/jay_z.jhtml
 
Here's something that takes a while to download - but cool!
 
Pip
Yeah, see I am not that up-to-date on the rappers.  I like poetry and spoken word when I hear it but not up to date on their names.
I just memorized Jay-Z face because he is now married to Beyonce, I think.   So now I can match the name to the face.  I need teenagers or young adults in my life so they can keep me up to speed.  
I have a very young hair stylist and always reminding her to keep me looking hip. but she has her work cut out for her because the meds are leaving me with very few strands for her to style.:)
[QUOTE=José]Hi Pip.
 
This is what I read. Is this not correct?
 
Benediction at Obama 's inauguration, Rev. Joseph Lowery: 'Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen'...
 
And no. I did not lose Hope. President Bush made the best of a bad situation many times. I know you and others like you don't believe that. That is your right. I sure hope that you hold Obama to the same standard. We'll see... You have to remember that not all of us believe that Obama is the Savior and it was his time. Roughly half of us to be exact. So again. No I never lost hope and Obama does not inspire it in me.
 
Lastly, Government trying to "create" jobs is a very bad idea. Government should get out of the way and let small businesses do their thing. Big business doing theri thing wouldn't hurt... AND if Obama is so deadd set in spending 1 trillion dollars in a stimulus package, how about actually giving it to the people? Do you know anything less efficient than government programs and projects?....
 
Be well...
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Not surprised. Mr Obama likes to hang around with RACIST preachers. Where was Rev Wright sitting again during the party ?
[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Jose, if this thread is anything to go by, the only people pounding away at the "colour issue" are all Republicans who don't support Obama, and the only ones I've ever heard refer to him as a "messiah" are the same. Seems to me you have an issue with your own thought process.[/QUOTE]
 
TV must be something up there in canada. Every channell here is pounding the fact that he is black. For once put down the bong and take a peak with fresh eyes
What a wonderful, great day for America!  Our Founding Fathers, with their vision of freedom for ALL, to pursue freedom and joy and happiness, must be bursting with pride at such thrilling moment in history.  I liked President Obama's speech about putting aside petty arguments and getting down to work.  Good advice.  [QUOTE=Shelly63]Well Jose,
It's one of those things you have to walk a mile in someone's shoes to know my friend.  No one can explain it to you.
But I will say I and many of us who are now very proud of our country for turning over a new leaf in our country, and looking past race to see qualifications first, we always knew and felt lucky to be a part of America.  We never defined ourselves as anything else.  WE didn't.  We don't know anything else other than America.  We don't have a country adjacent to this country's border to visit and keep up with our heritage.  We only have America, so that is all we know. and if you haven't noticed the racial tension in the last 5 or so decades, then you have been living under a rock.  Well, now it feels like less tension there. and that's what we are proud of.  and we are hopeful.
Now that doesn't mean we are not going to be looking for action and not hold them accountable for the promises they are making.  No one is that blind.  However, it is hopeful and a proud feeling to watch most of us come together, put aside our differences and work on a common goal in rebuilding this country's status for our children and our children's children..
If you don't share the same perspective, then that's fine, but allow others to feel proud and I promise it doesn't bring any harm to you in them doing so.
We all know we already live in the free-est country in the world. We knew that.  Why do you think you see so many minorities enlisting and dying to defend this freedom.  Even I was ready to hobble over there and enlist with my severely arthritic hands and hips when 9/11 hit.  We all felt that same PRIDE back then when George Bush first became president.  The only difference now is everyone feels included, united, and motivated like at a pep rally in the middle of tough economic times, and two wars, etc. and now we can snap out of it, rolls up our sleeves and get to work. for those of us who needed that pep talk.  some of us didn't need it and had not given up. but a lot of people did.  so they got the pep rally, they can get to work now, be happy.
 
Shelly, Honestly ask yourself this. Did Black people look past race in the election?
 
 
 
 
[/QUOTE] Shelly also misunderstood me. I don't give a hoot about the fact that I am part of a minority. That was in response to the "walk a mile in their shoes" comment. I wasn't sure what shoes she was talking about.... I too am proud and hopeful. A new President taking office should always be a day of hope. I was just discouraged by some of the reasons being given for that hope and happiness...
 
BTW, that "inclusive prayer" made me think. If they had said that it was time for Black/red/brown/yellow to embrace right. How would that have been taken? Tell me there wouldn't be a huge outcry....
 
Now Obama has taken office and I wonder... How long will the Homeymoon last... How long can this so called recession last before it can no longer be passed of as Bush's. How long does President Obama have before he's expected to come through with all his promises? How long before the Media starts being realistic? How long before he has to prove himself before he's compared to Lincoln? We'll see...
 
Very interesting thing is that he is not getting close to Pelosi & Reid. He is surrounding himself with a very interesting and politically diverse group. I for one am VERY intersted in seeing what direction this administration actually takes and where exactly he decides to spend that Trillion Dollars he's going to ask for....
Just to show you that I am not the one making up the Messiah/Savior references. Nor are any who oppose Obama...
 
Obama Is Like Biblical Joshua, Boxing Promoter Don King Says
Wednesday, January 21, 2009
By Josiah Ryan, Staff Writer
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=42227
I think that it will take 4 years.  For the next four, Obama and the media will continue to blame GWB for Obama's lack of performance, insuring another win in the next election. The four years after that?  It won't matter.  He can't get back in anyway.I agree Linc. I believe that they will try. But will the public stand for it? We Americans are fickle people. We're used to immediate gratification... There were a great many promises made... I heard a discussions from political analysts, most of whom were Obama supporters, that were speculating that he would have much longer than most Presidents but it could still be counted in months...  Lorster,

You wrote this:

[QUOTE] I interpreted that very different Jose. What I extracted from it was it is time for whites to stop thinking they are supreme and start righting the wrongs of the past. [END QUOTE]

Just out of curiosity Lorster, how many whites do you know that believe that they are superior to other races because they are white?

Shelly,

It seems like I have struck a nerve in your shallow skin. I think it was a racist nerve. What you think to be so humorous would have been reason enough to riot had a white person made the statement that browns and blacks need to get right, not wright. I realize that there is racism but unlike you, I realize that there is all colors of racism, not just white racism. If there were as much white racism as there is black racism, President Obama would still be a Senator from Illinois. And yes, I'm sure good and bad things happened in my upbringing but, unlike you, my parents did not teach me to be racist. You are a racist. You aren't proud that a good and qualified person was elected to the presidency, you are proud that a black man was elected to the presidency, that's racism. Oh, and today I went down to 3 mgs of prednisone, no pain. And maybe your belief that ones ugliness creates pain is accurate. How you feelin'?

LEV
It was a poem Lev.Obama said this while campaigning:
"For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle -- as we did in the O.J. trial -- or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina -- or as fodder for the nightly news.

We can play Rev. Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words.

We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, "Not this time." This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children."Oh yeah, he also said this is an attempt to hide his white people background:
"I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton's Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas."Rep. Lamar Smith, R-San Antonio, said that while he disagrees with much of Obama's politics, his election shows that American is “fertile ground for the aspirations of all its citizens.”

Smith said that when the parades and banquets are over, “the cold reality remains that this president and the new Congress have some very serious work ahead.”
 
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Babs, no kidding. Look at the horrible mess left behind by the Bush administration. Gimpy, have you ever thought that maybe the big problem on this board is that some people don't want change. Change to some is scary and comes with a price. I think if it would have been an evangelical christian black man running on the republican ticket, they would not have voted for him. Yes, Lorster, that has crossed my mind on many occasions. Especially when you show someone absolute empiric proof of something that is contrary to their world view and they just ignore it because to accept it they would have to change their mind. Exactly![QUOTE=hessalina]I am celebrating the end of President George W Bush. Good BYE!
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Me too!!! La la la la la la la la hey hey GOOD BYE!!!!! [QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Babs, no kidding. Look at the horrible mess left behind by the Bush administration. [/QUOTE]
 
keep beating that horse, Gimp.. maybe it's not dead yet 
Hey Babs,
Having a Joyous gay day hehehe j/k
 
I am impressed with the ones who can actually read  the minds of the posters and know their intent. What amazing powers; WOWmabus, no minds being read, just reading the day to day posts is enough insight for anyone. [QUOTE=babs10] [QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]Babs, no kidding. Look at the horrible mess left behind by the Bush administration. [/QUOTE]

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Yeah, it's been a whole day. I can't believe I'm still talking about it. LOL Dalma!  Love it!
 
Pip

Hahaha!,

Lev,
No nerve struck here.  I was raised Christian and influenced by a strict grandmother.  Racism was not allowed in home. I didn't learn about racism until I was a teenager.  I was shocked when I did.  I thought it only applied to the olden days.  Boy, was I wrong.  My family is a mixture of a rainbow of races and nationalities.  I myself married out of my race.  You are barking up the wrong tree here with that one.  However, I don't think this election was about race but about change. Race was secondary in that the majority was now ready to look beyond race to elect the best person for the job.
Just could not understand how your mind got things so twisted.  You must have been hurt by someone to see things not there.  You are making things way too serious.  Whoever hurt you is not here.  They cannot hurt you now.  No need to attack people here.  They just wanted to be happy and celebrate the day. Regardless, history was made and day went on without you.  It's over, it's done.  You can let down your guard now and play nice.
Unless, you are just set in your ways. then this conversation is useless and you will not change your mind here.  but you will figure it out one day but probably too late. 
I worked with this lady, nice as she can be, smiling face, sing songy voice, we all treated her like the den mother of the department, went to her to talk, but if she got you one on one, she said some of the most racist hateful things you ever wanted to hear.  She was old and set in her ways. probably brought up that way.  Unteachable.  It happens like that sometimes.  Well, these are different times, thank God.  The young people said enough of the old ways and voted him in and that's that.
Oh my fingers are being attacked by RA so gotta go.  You take care.
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Hahaha!,

Lev,
No nerve struck here.  I was raised Christian and influenced by a strict grandmother.  Racism was not allowed in home. I didn't learn about racism until I was a teenager.  I was shocked when I did.  I thought it only applied to the olden days.  Boy, was I wrong.  My family is a mixture of a rainbow of races and nationalities.  I myself married out of my race.  You are barking up the wrong tree here with that one.  However, I don't think this election was about race but about change. Race was secondary in that the majority was now ready to look beyond race to elect the best person for the job.
Just could not understand how your mind got things so twisted.  You must have been hurt by someone to see things not there.  You are making things way too serious.  Whoever hurt you is not here.  They cannot hurt you now.  No need to attack people here.  They just wanted to be happy and celebrate the day. Regardless, history was made and day went on without you.  It's over, it's done.  You can let down your guard now and play nice.
Unless, you are just set in your ways. then this conversation is useless and you will not change your mind here.  but you will figure it out one day but probably too late. 
I worked with this lady, nice as she can be, smiling face, sing songy voice, we all treated her like the den mother of the department, went to her to talk, but if she got you one on one, she said some of the most racist hateful things you ever wanted to hear.  She was old and set in her ways. probably brought up that way.  Unteachable.  It happens like that sometimes.  Well, these are different times, thank God.  The young people said enough of the old ways and voted him in and that's that.
Oh my fingers are being attacked by RA so gotta go.  You take care.
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" I don't think this election was about race "  How in the world with everything that has been on the radio,TV etc when all they talk about is race. not economics, war etc.  " Historic moment " First Black President " On and On they go. The actor Sanmuel Jackson was asked on TV what he thought of any blacks that did not vote for Obama. His answer " There is such a thing " This was the most racist election in recent times ever. I would not to be white living in Detroit where Lev lives. It sounds like he is the abuse of racists all the time. We had Black Panthers at voting places telling some white people to leave. To me he is another Politcian with a lot of promises and not much experience. If you are rooting for him to fail then I think you are anti American. That said Many will criticize him and be labeled racist. 
There seems to be a lot of focus on 90 year old, civil rights leader, Rev. Joseph Lowery's "rhyme', but those few words weren't characteristic of his prayer, an excerpt:

". . . as we reap the whirlwind of social and economic disruption, we seek forgiveness and we come in a spirit of unity and solidarity to commit our support to our president by our willingness to make sacrifices, to respect your creation, to turn to each other and not on each other.

And now, Lord, in the complex arena of human relations, help us to make choices on the side of love, not hate; on the side of inclusion, not exclusion; tolerance, not intolerance. And as we leave this mountaintop, help us to hold onto the spirit of fellowship and the oneness of our family. Let us take that power back to our homes, our workplaces, our churches, our temples, our mosques, or wherever we seek your will."


6t5,
Yes, many blacks voted for Hiliary.  Maya Angelou campaigned for Hiliary.  I leaned towards Hiliary as well.  I wanted the prosperity felt when Clinton was in office. 
It is not about race.
It is about change.  Fearful people are making it about race.
Those ministers are not racist.  They are simply reacting to he life they led decades ago where they were treated as second class citizens.  It deeply hurt them. Humans cannot handle being isolated, separated from the majority.  They are re-acting the way they know how.  It doesn't make it right. but if someone hit you really hard, the impulse is to hit back.  the smart thing to do is to press charges and sue. However, that option was not available to them years ago.  I am not in his age group, thank God. Things had changed by the time I came along but I have enough compassion and empathy to understand what it must have been like for them.  I think Rev. Wright's comments were taken out of context, meaning america did wrong and would pay for its sins, and if I were him i would have known that's how it would be and kept my thoughts to myself.  but then I am not a minister trying to educate people into doing the right thing.  I just try to do right and hope it sets an example for others.
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6t5,

Well, I didn't know Lev lived in Detroit.  I don't know a lot about Detroit.  I live in the South.
I do know Detroit went through a lot of discrimination in the past.  They have a lot of racial tension there as do the South.  Again, humans do not like to be isolated and kept out of the majority.  They like to feel like part of the whole.  We are social creatures. And some pretty horrible things were done to them in the olden days.  Some minds are like elephants and hold on to the past hurts like our friend Lev if that is what happened to him. and I am sorry he has been the object of someone else's pain. That's not fair either.  We are all just reacting and it has to stop somewhere. 
As far as him being the first Afr-Am. pres.  okay he is the first and that's a shame.  There have been many other qualified candidates before him.  We have to recognize he is the first person of color to be pres.
However, I think that is more of the media's doing than anything else and Samuel Jackson is not someone I would listen to. You can't generalize. Not all blacks think alike, vote alike, or have the same perception of the world or process their pain and hardships in the same way.  I wouldn't listen to him about that subject.

You are just noticing it more because you did not vote for him and because the media is hyping it up as well.  A lot of people are just excited he is the first and remembering MLK's dream and happy to see the dream realized.  The man was killed in cold blood. A lot of people are upset about that just as they were upset about JFK's death.

A lot of the excitement will die down. but I do not think Obama wants anyone focusing on his heritage.  From what I have observed he recognizes he is biracial. and it is up to you to catagorize him as black or white and he'll accept whichever one you choose.  So I would ask you something as well.  Do you think you can honestly look at him and just see his white heritage?  Until that happens he has not choice but to accept his black heritage.
Aren't you guys tired of this conversation.  My hands are killing me.  Let's talk about food again.  I am starved.
 
" Do you think you can look at him and see his white heritage " Thats the point the press cannot. So if Hillary was running against Obama she would win or  50/50 in the black community.......I know more then a few Black people and they ALL voted for Obabma. I also now a lot of white people and they voted for both . At some point you will get itI don't think Lev and 6t5 think it is color. They object to his lack of experience. And Lev thinks he is linked to corruption although he is not able to come up with any facts on that.   I'm not sure how much experience you need to run this country. He has been our president for just over 24 hours and these two are unable to widen the scope of their vision and give him an honest chance. I find it amusing that most of the "I'm so proud" folks commenting on this thread aren't even Americans and don't live in the USA!  It's comical.  Sure...you're proud...you're not going to have to directly live through this Bull sh*t Administration.
 
I also find it comical how prior to the election everyone kept saying "this election isn't about race", yet now that he's president everyone is hailing the fact he's black.
 
Might I point out that he has already stated that he is going to scale back some of his campaign promises...gee, really?  Wow, we didn't see that coming...right!
 
And why should I show Obama support and respect as the president?  A lot of the people commenting on this thread did NOT show President Bush support and/or respect, I bet y'all boo-ed him right along with the yahoos in the audience yesterday...sickening display! I didn't bother watching one second of the inaug, but was unfortunate enough to catch it on the 11:00 news.  Sad, sad, sad.
 
Y'all are such a pathetic group of followers.  Pitter-pattering after the mainsream, regardless of whether it's right or wrong.  THAT'S what is wrong with America today.
In 1964, 94 percent of the black vote, cast their ballot for the Democratic presidential candidate, and he was white.

Prior to the 1960s, many blacks in the South weren't permitted to vote at all.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/when_did_blacks_start_voting_democratic.html

 [QUOTE=lorster]I don't think Lev and 6t5 think it is color. They object to his lack of experience. And Lev thinks he is linked to corruption although he is not able to come up with any facts on that.   I'm not sure how much experience you need to run this country. He has been our president for just over 24 hours and these two are unable to widen the scope of their vision and give him an honest chance. [/QUOTE]
 
WTF? You just started another thread saying you were scared?  You jumped right on the bandwagon like the follower you are.
AudaciousAudrey2009-01-21 13:25:536t5,
I have nothing to get.  I am a very fair person and I pride myself on that.  I am just not into slamming people.  Never was.  You know there is no way for me to know percentages.  but the way I understood it was the older black generation wanted Hiliary to win and some of the younger black generation wanted Obama.
Some blacks vote republican as well.  They have some kind of movement called the hip hop republicans, so we are a wide range of views and ideals out there, and I have  a lot of respect for McCain, if he had won I would not be over here at this board where I get my RA support talking against him.
Forget about the press.  They have nothing else better to report.  They bore me sometimes.  There whole job is to keep controversy going, it seems like.
I am telling you we are making a big deal out of nothing.
[QUOTE=José]I agree Linc. I believe that they will try. But will the public stand for it? We Americans are fickle people. We're used to immediate gratification... There were a great many promises made... I heard a discussions from political analysts, most of whom were Obama supporters, that were speculating that he would have much longer than most Presidents but it could still be counted in months...  [/QUOTE]
 
The people who voted for Obama would rather live in poverty, amongst crime and watch USA go down in flames than admit they were wrong...they'd rather have Obama in office than somone who knows what they're actually doing.  It would be funny if it weren't so true.
Lorster,
Thanks for clearing that up for me.  However, so far, the conversation has been all about race and I am trying to say we need to get past the race part.   As for corruption.  I don't know enough about the history of politics to know if there is any corruption.  I just to see this administration succeed and get the country back to prospering again.
Shelley. I think we're not connecting here... Obama is my president as well as yours. The historic nature of the event does not escape us... And I also realize that in this thread, we have been the ones that have brought up race for the most part. BUT, do you really not see TV, Radio and Newspaper talking about nothing but how he's black. How he's the Messiah/Savior/best thing since sliced bread? I am not even sore about losing the election. I am as I said before, ready to follow and do my part if he leads us in a good direction. I am just tired of the media and the koolaid drinkers. Not the ones that want change and think Obama brings it. The ones think he's a biblical character, the ones that compare him to Lincoln, Moses, or even the Great Dr. King. Obama has done nothing so far but win an election. That hardly puts him in the same category. Don't you agree?
Also, it cannot be said that we're finally looking at things color-blind while at the same time saying things like "it's about time we had a black president" ... We'll be truly there when his race is unremarked upon. Again, wouldn't you agree?
 
Food... You know Cheesecake sounds really good... Or maybe Flan.... Too stereotypical? Heh...
[QUOTE=AudaciousAudrey] [QUOTE=José]I agree Linc. I believe that they will try. But will the public stand for it? We Americans are fickle people. We're used to immediate gratification... There were a great many promises made... I heard a discussions from political analysts, most of whom were Obama supporters, that were speculating that he would have much longer than most Presidents but it could still be counted in months...  [/QUOTE]

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Another stupid remark.

Did I mention the all-knowing Bush is GONE??? Woo-Hoo!!First of all AA, people commenting on this thread, are affected by our government. Remember it is a world wide economy and what happens to us, affects everyone in the world in some way. So how our country is run, is their business and they would be fools not to follow what is going on here. Just as we should all be concerned about what goes on abroad.

Obama has had to scale back on campaign promises. If you recall, he made the announcement way back before the economy totally tanked. Now, he has inherited this mess and he is taking advice from his economic advisors as to how to handle it. This morning he placed pay freezes on his white house staff, those making over 100,000 dollars.

Could you please be more specific about what in particular you are concerned about him scaling back on?

Lastly, I like you, thought it totally disrespectful what the crowd did to GWB when his helicopter circled for the last time. My husband and I discussed it and although I am totally anti bush, I would not have done that. But remember, GWB didn't earn much respect especially during his second term. I have a hard time respecting him after some of the things he did that helped put our country in the shape it is in as well as now how we are perceived by the rest of the world. Respect is earned.

If you remember a few months back, you made the bold statement that wished him to be assassinated before the inauguration. You, by saying that is part of what is wrong with America today. And it is one reason you were driven from the board.
Well, Audrey,
If you don't want to respect him don't.  No one is here to change your mind. From the way you word your sentences it doesn't sound like you even respect yourself. So much foul language.
Now, as for the booing, not me.  I didn't hear but heard it existed and I certainly don't condone it and don't think anyone here would either.  I think that was rude and really unnecessary but some people can't control their tongues.
AA..we may not live in the USA but what affects the US, directly affects the UK. Its thanks to the bush admin convincing Tony Blair  that our men in uniform are in Iraq getting killed. Our economy is failing due to the fallout of the US banking systems. When Barrack Obama was elected it gave us new hope too.Lorster,

One more time, how many white people do you know that believe that because they are white, they are superior to other races?

Shelly,

I'm not surprised that you will make excuses for inexcusable conduct based on the race of a person. It seems that bad conduct is to be excused because of slanted historical facts. Everything should be excused for a black person because blacks were so mistreated. Hey Shelly, I'm Irish. When my family came to this country they actually changed their Irish name. The Irish were as mistreated as the blacks. My country owes me nothing for history sake. There is no way that I would excuse crime because of history. The racism that you spew (slanted history) is the reason there is so much black racism. I am sure that those that dragged white people from the vehicles and beat them and stoned and kicked them after the Rodney King trial were, in your mind justified criminals. Shelly, your own words show how racist you are, seriously. Re-read what you wrote. There is no doubt in my mind that if a white preacher spewed the same filth as your mis-understood Wright (there is nothing reverend about that filth) and was in charge of a "pro white" church, you would call him a racist. It's just that simple. You can continue to try to slam my life and try to strike out at me, that's okay, go ahead, it's excusable, after all, your "people" were treated so bad, somewhere, sometime, right?

LEV
[QUOTE=hessalina] [QUOTE=AudaciousAudrey] [QUOTE=José]I agree Linc. I believe that they will try. But will the public stand for it? We Americans are fickle people. We're used to immediate gratification... There were a great many promises made... I heard a discussions from political analysts, most of whom were Obama supporters, that were speculating that he would have much longer than most Presidents but it could still be counted in months...  [/QUOTE]
 

The people who voted for Obama would rather live in poverty, amongst crime and watch USA go down in flames than admit they were wrong...they'd rather have Obama in office than somone who knows what they're actually doing.  It would be funny if it weren't so true.
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Another stupid remark.

Did I mention the all-knowing Bush is GONE??? Woo-Hoo!![/QUOTE]
 
And you're on of them.
[QUOTE=lorster]Obama has had to scale back on campaign promises. If you recall, he made the announcement way back before the economy totally tanked. Now, he has inherited this mess and he is taking advice from his economic advisors as to how to handle it. This morning he placed pay freezes on his white house staff, those making over 100,000 dollars. 

If you remember a few months back, you made the bold statement that wished him to be assassinated before the inauguration. You, by saying that is part of what is wrong with America today. And it is one reason you were driven from the board.
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Do your research, it was NOT before the economy tanked.
 
And...I'm still here [QUOTE=AudaciousAu