Cancer Institute: Vit D does not prevent cancer | Arthritis Information

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http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/djm204

Results: We identified 536 cancer deaths in 146578 person-years. Total cancer mortality was unrelated to baseline vitamin D status in the entire population, men, women, non-Hispanic whites, non-Hispanic blacks, Mexican Americans, and in persons younger than 70 or 70 years or older. We found no interaction between vitamin D and season or vitamin D and serum retinol. Colorectal cancer mortality was inversely related to serum 25(OH)D level, with levels 80 nmol/L or higher associated with a 72% risk reduction (95% confidence interval = 32% to 89%) compared with lower than 50 nmol/L, Ptrend = .02.

Conclusions: Our results do not support an association between 25(OH)D and total cancer mortality, although there was an inverse relationship between 25(OH)D levels and colorectal cancer mortality.


Opinions, as always, vary...........

http://www.revolutionhealth.com/conditions/breast-cancer/vitamin-d
 
http://www.cancer.ca/Canada-wide/Prevention/Use%20SunSense/Vitamin%20D.aspx?sc_lang=en
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN18265099
 
http://stanford.wellsphere.com/vitamins-supplements-article/vitamin-d-stops-cancer-cuts-risk-in-half-study/413011
 
Lynn, you have to stop confusing opinions with facts. I posted a study. You posted 4 articles by journalists. One talked about the breast cancer study which showed as reduction in Cancer after 5 years. That study has been debunked since it turns out women who have higher levels of vitamin D actually have MORE incidents of breast cancer after 15 years.

What I posted was a study from the NATIONAL INSTITUTE of CANCER.

Does it ever occur to you you might be encouraging people to do long term harm to themselves with your, in my opinion, irresponsible and frequent promotion of Vitamin D?

While it may be helpful for some things, people should be examining both sides of the coin before taking your daily advice to take more vitamin D. It might not be "never a bad thing" as you have often said.I've got some concerns about this from the Reuters article:
"The new study led by Dr. Kimmie Ng of Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston involved 304 men and women diagnosed with colorectal cancer from 1991 to 2002, to see if higher levels of vitamin D in the patients affected their survival chances.

In fact, that turned out to be the case.

The researchers in the study, published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology, used blood samples to determine vitamin D levels of the patients, and they were tracked for an average of about 6-1/2 years.

Those in the highest 25 percent of vitamin D levels were about 50 percent less likely to die during the study from their cancer or any other cause compared to the patients in the lowest 25 percent of vitamin D levels.

During the study, 123 of the patients died, 96 of them from colorectal cancer.

"It's probably premature to say that we should be recommending this as treatment for colon cancer, but vitamin D should definitely be studied in the setting of a clinical trial to see if it has any benefit to treating colorectal cancer," Ng said in a telephone interview.

Ng said a clinical study is being planned to test vitamin D as part of colorectal cancer treatment. It would involve patients who already have gotten their cancer surgically removed, with some getting chemotherapy with vitamin D after surgery and the others getting just the standard chemotherapy.

"Definitive evidence of a benefit of vitamin D in treating colon cancer would have to come from a clinical trial," Ng said."


It makes sense to me that those who were very sick with cancer and therefor more likely to die were probably not spending a lot of time in the sun, tanning bed, outdoors, or for that matter eating very much.  Would supplementing D help them?  Or were there counterparts with higher levels of D just doing better anyway and able to live a healthier lifestyle?

Like they said, a clinical trial is needed for 'proof'.
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00208793  <  this is one starting after a short duration trial..
 
THE ENTIRE NET is full of articles w/ information about positive associations w/ Vit/D and these cancers... and other cancers...  and discussing trials
 
Almost as strong a concensus is against VitD as for it.. such as those for AP and those feeling it's not a viable option..  so........IF you chose not to agree.... so be it....  but you can't ever say it's due to lack of information available and being uninformed on either side of the spectrum.......
 
 
 
I can say there is some lack of knowledge on the con-side of the spectrum. I can say it with confidence! Because the vitamin D lobby has an incredibly effective marketing group, all the stories we get are the pro side of the Vitamin. And yet there are many voices in the wilderness trying to present the con side that people are completely unaware of.

To be clear, I am neither for or against Vitamin D. The jury is out (but stacked). There is just not enough evidence on either side.

I am leery of anything which is promoted as a panacea for as many conditions as Vitamin D is. Isn't that what we're warned to look out for from Snake Oil salesmen? [QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]

To be clear, I am neither for or against Vitamin D. The jury is out (but stacked). There is just not enough evidence on either side.

I am leery of anything which is promoted as a panacea for as many conditions as Vitamin D is. Isn't that what we're warned to look out for from Snake Oil salesmen?[/QUOTE]

That's where I am coming from, too!  All these scary conditions linked to low D and even if it is true, not everybody has low D!  So much has been put out there, it seems the marketers want you to skip the important step of finding out what your levels are.  'I'll just buy a bottle next time I'm at Costco, and be protected from cancer, osteoporosis, diabetes, Alzheimer's, Cat Scratch Fever, indigestion, and hangnails.'
someone tell me... what advantage is it to push Vit D?  to lobby it?  It's not an enbrel that brings in MEGA cash... it's a vitamin....... often taken in a host of vitamins..  and  nothing is particularly special about any one VitD over another.. it's Vit D *shrug*
 
Why would someone want to "lobby" ????
 
Snake Oil Salesmen promote something with NO outside validations... Only their customers who can say that this product is the save to to end all ......
 
big difference...
 
can't compare....
 
Apples and Ford Trucks  Um...because they sell Vitamin D?

A Vitamin D council does exist, you know, and most councils main job is to lobby.

There have been many ethical concerns with all these "outside validations" the main ones being they are not at all "outside".


http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_strauss/20080213.htmlThis is one example from the article Gogo posted:
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Then he told me he had been angered when his name had been taken off some scientific papers after he, in complete openness, told agencies and journals that he and his wife have set up a vitamin D company in Toronto called Ddrops Inc. She is now the company’s president and it sells a year’s supply of 1,000 IU liquid vitamin D for about . "I was told my name was being taken off papers because of my wife’s occupation. That is something I find infuriating and upsetting," he said.

A little additional research found that Elaine Vieth has told the Hamilton Spectator that pharmacies initially had little interest in selling her product, which can be sprinkled on food or in drinks, but that after the Creighton cancer study appeared she sold 30,000 bottles within two days.

I am not often struck speechless by life’s contradictions, but here I am. Who would have thought that the research pertaining to what Ddrops markets as "the sunshine vitamin in just one drop" could be so conflicted?"

I've looked at the pros and cons.  All info was easy to find, at least for me it was easy to find because I was looking for both sides of the D disagreement.  My blood work showed a low level and I chose to take D, my cardiologist recommended a combo of vitamins and D was part of that combo, the others being folate, magnesium, and calcium.  This wasn't recently, I started Vit. D 5 years ago.  There wasn't much info out there.  I get plenty of sunshine living in the tropics for 6 months of the year, so my doctors really think due to the disease we may process D differently or in some cases not process it. 
 
I don't recommend any vitamin or medication unless it's warranted but I do think that people with low levels need to seriously consider using D until levels stabilize, then have follow-up tests to see if levels are remaining  normal.  If I had colon cancer you betcha I'd take Vit. D.  I'd take just about anything for remission of cancer and I bet each of you would do the same.  Lindy
Lin, since you did the research you are probably aware of the theory that people with AI diseases have low vitamin D because the AI gene hijacks the vitamin out of their system and uses it to express itself, so the more D you have, the more the disease is able to manifest, and the lower your D levels will test.

I am not at all saying I believe that is what happens. I'm just saying some professionals think it is possible, and that we don't know that that doesn't happen. [QUOTE=LinB]I've looked at the pros and cons.  All info was easy to find, at least for me it was easy to find because I was looking for both sides of the D disagreement.  My blood work showed a low level and I chose to take D, my cardiologist recommended a combo of vitamins and D was part of that combo, the others being folate, magnesium, and calcium. 
Gimpy, I'm very aware of the theory but since I'm doing better, labs are good, I'm in clinical remission, cardiac and pulmonary issues are stabilized, and my bone loss has stopped.  In fact in the last year I've gained 3.5% on bone scan.  So no, I'm not going to consider changing my regimen unless there is a full blown, long-term study showing that I shouldn't be taking any of the vitamins and prescriptions that I'm on.  Nothing could have been worse, except death  than the cardiac side effects that I suffered due to Vioxx.  I don't take any of meds just because my doctors recommend them, I take them because I've done the research, weighed the options, and in some instances seeked a second opinion.   Right now I can't argue with how I feel.  LindyI wouldn't suggest that you do, or go against your doctor's advice. I think it's great you're doing great!

I also want to reiterate that I'm not "against" vitamin D. But I do think so much is posted on this forum about the theoretical benefits it just needs a little balance.I agree, but I also realize that people will buy into "the more, the better" philosophy.  They need to really research and balance the pros and cons.  I've preached that one more than once!!  Gimpy, Suzanne, Lynn I've learned so much from all of you.  I don't want you to read the rest of the post and let anger guide you.  It's just my thoughts. 
 
It doesn't hurt to look at differing research and studies, the same as it doesn't hurt to post the differing topics.  What hurts is when one makes it personal or one person is pitted against another.  That doesn't help the people who are trying to make decisions, it only hinders them and turns them off from seeking further help. 
 
I would love to see the research posted without people taking personal affront to the posting because they don't agree or have another opinion.  There's nothing wrong with just having the topic floating out there for people to read, irregardless of who's posted. 
 
There's a lot of agitation on the forum right now and disagreeing on a topic like this is just adding to the agitation.  We should be working together and have a unified front.  We want the best for all the people who are posting and that's also each of us.   I respect all of you for your knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge.  Lindy 
 
 

I'll try Lindy  THANK-YOU LINB [QUOTE=LinB]I agree, but I also realize that people will buy into "the more, the better" philosophy.  They need to really research and balance the pros and cons.  I've preached that one more than once!!  Gimpy, Suzanne, Lynn I've learned so much from all of you.  I don't want you to read the rest of the post and let anger guide you.  It's just my thoughts. 

I view some postings in a very personal way but I leave those personal feelings on this side of the screen.  It does absolutely nothing to enhance either the posters topic or yourself.  It truly inspires people to not read the posts and that's a shame.  Post your studies and research but leave the personal stuff on your side of the screen.   It's really easy to do. 
 
I'm only posting this now because the bickering on the forum has gotten out of hand.  Every post seems to turn into some insane drama and that includes posts that are supposed to inform.  There are several going on right at this minute. 
 
There are many things posted that the "main topic of discussion has no proven cause or cure" and these postings are made by all of you.  Let's just stop and think about how we appear to others.  Someone on this forum may benefit greatly from this post or the one Lynn posted on another topic.  I don't think it's our job to try and discredit one another's posts.  Our job is to support the forum members, post information that they can  use, leave our agendas at home and show a unified front even though we have differing opinions.  We're all in the same game, even though we all have different playing rules.   We don't need to be in agreement, it's always interesting to read the other side, let's just be a little more gentle with one another.  I think we're an awesome, intelligent group of women and I salute all of you.   I'm off to get supper.  Been on the computer too long today.  The cats are hungry and Stan's giving me the evil eye!  Lindy
thanks LinB!!!  oh voice of reason! 
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