I posted elsewhere before introducing myself and got my hands smacked for doing so, so here it is: Hello, for anybody... for anybody... An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2] The contemporary use of the term is alleged to have first appeared on the internet in the late 1980s[3], but the earliest known example is from 1991[4]. It is thought to be a truncation of the phrase trolling for suckers, itself derived from the fishing technique of slowly dragging a bait through water, known as trolling.[5] The word also evokes the trolls portrayed in Scandinavian folklore
and children's tales as they are often obnoxious creatures bent on
mischief and wickedness. The verb "troll" originates from Old French
"troller", a hunting term. The noun "troll", however, is an unrelated
Old Norse word for a giant or demon. [6] The most likely derivation of the word troll can be found in the
phrase "trolling for newbies," popularized in the early 1990s in the
Usenet group, alt.folklore.urban (AFU).[7][8]
Commonly, what is meant is a relatively gentle inside joke by veteran
users, presenting questions or topics that had been so overdone that
only a new user would respond to them earnestly. For example, a veteran
of the group might make a post on the common misconception that glass flows over time.
Long-time readers would both recognize the poster's name and know that
the topic had been done to death already, but new subscribers to the
group would not realise, and would thus respond. These types of trolls
served as a Shibboleth
to identify group insiders. This definition of trolling, considerably
narrower than the modern understanding of the term, was considered a
positive contribution.[9][7] One of the most notorious AFU trollers, Snopes,[7] went on to create his eponymous urban folklore website. By the late 1990s, alt.folklore.urban had such heavy traffic
and participation that trolling of this sort was frowned upon. Others
expanded the term to include the practice of playing a seriously
misinformed or deluded user, even in newsgroups where one was not a regular; these were often attempts at humor rather than provocation. In such contexts, the noun troll usually referred to an act of trolling, rather than to the author. Most languages have adopted the English word "troll" to refer to Internet trolls. The Japanese word, arashi (荒らし) means "laying waste" and can also be used to refer to simple spamming. In Chinese, the word báimù (白目), meaning "white eye", is used for individuals who are "mean or hard to get along with". In academic literature, the practice was first documented by Judith Donath (1999), who used several anecdotal examples from various Usenet newsgroups in her discussion. Donath's paper outlines the ambiguity of identity in a disembodied "virtual community":[10] In the physical world there is an inherent unity to the self, for
the body provides a compelling and convenient definition of identity.
The norm is: one body, one identity. ... The virtual world is
different. It is composed of information rather than matter. Donath provides a concise overview of identity deception games which trade on the confusion between physical and epistemic community: Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is
played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts
to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common
interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant
of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish
real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make
the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former
depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues;
their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is
sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group. Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the
discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the
feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group
that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is
high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as
trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon
venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry
accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll
is quite damaging to one's online reputation." (Donath, 1999, p. 45)[10] Application of the term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling,
while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to
the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used as an ad hominem strategy to discredit an opposing position by attacking its proponent. Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's
motives. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may
attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the
robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical,
communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the
most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or
her, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue
disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed
the trolls".[11] Frequently, someone who has been labelled a troll by a group may
seek to redeem their reputation by discrediting their opponents, for
example by claiming that other members of the group are closed-minded,
conspirators, or trolls themselves. A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet
claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its
declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or
opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.[12] For example, in 2006 Tad Furtado, a top staffer for then-Congressman Charlie Bass (R-NH), was caught posing as a "concerned" supporter of Bass's opponent, Democrat Paul Hodes, on several liberal New Hampshire
blogs, using the pseudonyms "IndieNH" or "IndyNH." "IndyNH" expressed
concern that Democrats might just be wasting their time or money on
Hodes, because Bass was unbeatable.[13] A recently declassified World War II
manual on sabotage recommends such techniques to derail any effective
action: "Advocate 'caution.' Be 'reasonable' and urge your
fellow-conferees to be 'reasonable' and avoid haste which might result
in embarrassments or difficulties later on... Be worried about the
propriety of any decision — raise the question of whether such action
as is contemplated lies within the jurisdiction of the group or whether
it might conflict with the policy of some higher echelon." [14] Although the term "concern troll" originated in discussions of
online behavior, it now sees increasing use to describe similar
behaviors that take place offline. For example, James Wolcott in Vanity Fair[15] accused a conservative New York Daily News columnist of "concern troll" behavior in his efforts to downplay the Mark Foley scandal. Wolcott links what he calls concern trolls to Saul Alinsky's "Do-Nothings," giving a long quote from Alinsky on the Do-Nothing's method and effects: In a more recent example, The Hill
published an op-ed piece titled "Dems: Ignore 'Concern Trolls'." Again,
the concern trolls in question were not Internet participants; they
were Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats.
The author defines "concern trolling" as "offering a poisoned apple in
the form of advice to political opponents that, if taken, would harm
the recipient."[16] While most webmasters and forum administrators consider trolls to be
a scourge on their sites, some websites welcome them. For example, a New York Times article discussed troll activity at the /b/ board on 4chan and at Encyclopedia Dramatica, which it described as "an online compendium of troll humor and troll lore." [3] These types of sites are generally unmoderated (or loosely so) and can be extremely offensive.[17] Hello Shug, Welcome to the board. I just wanted to say very cool with the diving and all. The closest I have is snorkleling, and I did do the Cave tubing in Belize. I loved all of it. Good to have you aboard the board... Well... you took the way I said "poor" as not the way I meant it to be read. I meant that she was being made to look like she was wrong when she was not wrong about shug being a troll. I meant "poor" as in sorry for how she was treated and chasitized for calling shug a troll. Well... you took the way I said "poor" as not the way I meant it to be read. I meant that she was being made to look like she was wrong when she was not wrong about shug being a troll. I meant "poor" as in sorry for how she was treated and chasitized for calling shug a troll. nope, it is not pipster. It is someone else. Probably Lisa0nline. maybe that is why it is being so quiet? No way of thinking or doing, however ancient, can be trusted without proof. What everybody echoes or in silence passes by as true to-day may turn out to be falsehood to-morrow.
Like others, I was offered a choice of therapies on diagnosis in 2004. I did the research and opted for IV to PO AP and diet typing. Erosions in my wrists, thumbs, right index finger and left ring finger appeared at ten months along with “anemia of chronic illness” and RA induced neuropathy. I chose to continue the therapy in the hopes of reaching a plateau where inflammation, pain, and damage where controlled by AP and diet. At 18 months the erosions had become worse and several other joints where involved.
I never experienced the herx effect described in the literature. I simple went from one flare to the next with my sed rate climbing higher and higher and in the process was diagnosed with secondary Sjögren's Syndrome with both pterygium and pinguecula. At 18 months, X-rays convinced me that it was time to try something else. I started on MTX and did a gradually increase to 20 mg (subcutaneously). Plaquenil was added at about the 10th week to extend the duration of effectiveness, and recently Arava as my white blood cell count had dropped and MTX was reduced to 15 mg.
Except for some limitations from the erosions, especially in my ankles and wrists, I am doing very well both subjectively and clinically.
Seronegative RA; secondary Sjögren's Syndrome; RA induced anemia of chronic illness; RA neuropathy
MTX 15 mg, Plaquenil 200 mg twice a day, Avava 20 mg daily, folic acid 2mg/day, Gabapentin 300 mg/3Xday, Leucovorin 15 mg/weekly, B-12 injections 70 mg every three weeks.
So, in a nutshell, that is my RA herstory. Shug
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Welcome, Spelunker! I have two questions for you. What is 'PO'? I'm not familiar with that abbreviation yet. Also, what kind of diet typing did you have done? Are you still on the diet that was recommended based on the results? Were the results something you expected, or surprising?
Diet is something that still intrigues me with our jra daughter, based on our other daughter's experiences with dairy. I just can't figure out how to pinpoint it. The tests an allergist did were all negative.
[QUOTE=CathyMarie]Spe... why did you get your hand smacked? [/QUOTE]
Hi CathyMarie, I was called a troll for asking questions before posting an introduction.
I am the inquisitive type and find that unless you ask questions you do not get informed, so jumped right in and asked questions.
Now I should be square with everyone and ready to participate...or so I hope LOL.
Welcome to the board! Some of us are kinda "paranoid" around here. I am one of them, sometimes. But I think everyone on this board gets that way from time to time, because of all the troll activity we have had in the recent year and all.
Hi CathyMarie, I was called a troll for asking questions before posting an introduction.
I am the inquisitive type and find that unless you ask questions you do not get informed, so jumped right in and asked questions.
Now I should be square with everyone and ready to participate...or so I hope LOL.
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Spelunker, welcome and I am sorry you had less that a warm one! You know, I don't remember introducing myself when I first started posting either! I am sorry someone was rude enough to call you a troll.
Thank-you for posting your story, sounds like you have been through the muck with RA. Hopefully, you are where you want to be in your treatment and now have found a great support group! Welcome!
Waddie
[QUOTE=Suzanne]Welcome, Spelunker! I have two questions for you. What is 'PO'? [/quote] Per os, by mouth.
[quote] Also, what kind of diet typing did you have done? Are you still on the diet that was recommended based on the results? Were the results something you expected, or surprising?[/quote]
The diet typing was through some very expensive visits with a famous diet typing physician's clinic (I am not sure about the policy of 'naming names'...). Actually little in my regular diet changed except the addition of some Omega 3 fish oil supplements and, somewhat reluctantly, an increase in the amount of flax seed oil I was ingesting and a decrease in the yoghurt I used in Dr. Budwig's oil/protein mixture which was looked at much like you and I would look at a bug in our soup, but that I had been eating since I was a child.
Our diet at home is basically what has become known as a "Mediterranean diet" (hmm, that spelling always makes me pause...). At first the nutritionist was scandalized by the grains in my diet, but after some "testing" stated something along the lines that what poisons one person nourishes another.
We do limit sugars and avoid high fructose corn syrup, we do not buy "prepared foods" and we make our own bread and pasta. In season we have a large garden and bottle and/or freeze produce for use during the winter months.
Since those original visits I have experimented with eliminations diets and have not noticed any change in my physical well being. HOWEVER, I know many people have great benefit from dairy free and/or gluten free diets.
[quote]Diet is something that still intrigues me with our jra daughter, based on our other daughter's experiences with dairy. I just can't figure out how to pinpoint it. The tests an allergist did were all negative. [/QUOTE]
Allow me to suggest an elimination diet. As one of your daughters has had an experience with dairy that would be a place to begin. Although I do recognize how difficult such elimination diets are on children.
Good luck and thank for the welcome. Shug
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Allow me to suggest an elimination diet. As one of your daughters has had an experience with dairy that would be a place to begin. Although I do recognize how difficult such elimination diets are on children.
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I've contemplated it a million times, trust me! It was easy with older one, because she immediately felt a difference - she was having terrible headaches and stomach issues.
My little one feels fine, and yogurt is her only source of probiotics (tried soy yogurt and she got a stomachache). I could get probiotics in her other ways, I know, but everything I read about elimination says it takes weeks to see a difference in things like swelling.
Her D levels are good, too, and I'd worry about that with a dairy-free diet.
I really wish there was good test out there so you would know. As sick as my older daughter was on dairy (excema, too!), all of her tests were negative, so technically it is just an intolerance.
[QUOTE=SnowOwl]Fool question here, are you/have you been an actual spelunker? Fascinating hobby, if so.
[QUOTE=JasmineRain]We put the fun in dysfunctional. is one of my most favourite dives. I never made it further south, alas, to some of the other wonderful cave diving sites in Mexico and Central America.
Hello and welcome! I was wodering if you could tell me more about yout RA neuropathy. Symptoms, how diagnosed, who diagnosed it and treatment info would be great!! Thanks so much in advance.Nice to meet you ShugHi Shug...welcome!I always wanted to go deep sea fishing and catch a shark. I have kinda an obession with sharks. I LOVE THEM! I want to see one up close and personal. Only way I can think of being able to do that is to catch one on a hook and reel it in and watch it swim next to the boat and then release it when I am done "poking" it LOL!
Hi wantingtoknow, of course! My _experience_ with neuropathy began as tingling, numbness, and a burning sensation in my extremities but with my hands/arms feet/legs feeling as if they were encased in layers of cotton batting. My PCP sent me to a neurologist for evaluation. In turn, the neurologist did a deep tendon reflex test that was markedly decreased, and then a set of electrophysiologically evaluations via needle array electromyography. Intramuscular EMG and nerve conduction tests were the basis of diagnosis.
Physiotherapy, bracing, and Gabapentin are the therapies of choice, at least for now. When the signs and symptoms become overwhelming I take both opioids and antidepressants. In addition, when nothing else works I drink marijuana tea full-well knowing that I could be arrested and jailed for using a natural substance to ease my physical ailments.Caves scare me. I was not aware that I could go underground and then find myself walking a narrow bridge over a very high drop after I'd been in there awhile. I am afraid of heights! Lots of other interesting things to look at though. I was never in an underwater cave.
[QUOTE=joonie]I always wanted to go deep sea fishing and catch a shark. I have kinda an obession with sharks. I LOVE THEM! I want to see one up close and personal. [/QUOTE]
I have never ocean dived, but have friends who do so regularly. If you want to be up close and personal with a shark, any shark, shallow diving would do it. In addition, shallow ocean diving is one activity that even those with severe RA can participate in with minimal effort and exertion once they are in the water.
I say go for it and indulge your obsession!
Welcome!!!
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Hello and welcome. I saw your hands get smacked on the AP thread and was completely disgusted that that happened simply from you asking some intelligent questions, having been on AP already and not having a successful experience.
I apologize to you for that happening. It was not okay at all. I was appalled at how rudely you were treated. Another person may not have stayed after that welcome.
Shug, there is no 'rule' about having to introduce yourself before you post, so please don't apologize, you did nothing wrong.
New people don't necessarily know about that and if you have already had experience with your RA journey, it's quite natural to see an interesting topic and ask questions or add to what is being said, without thinking about introducing yourself. I was similar when I joined here and don't think I realized to introduced myself until well and truly after I started posting on threads. Many others have also done similar and it's fine.
It's also unwise of us to presume that every newbie here is an RA newbie. That is often not the case so right off, people with years experience with this disease already have things worth sharing or questions that are insightful.
Welcome to the board. I look forward to getting to know you and hearing more insightful, intelligent questions coming from your direction.
Feel free to ask any questions, anywhere. And also feel free to ignore people who are unnecessarily rude. The rest of us will welcome your input.
Hi Shug and welcome to the forum. It's an interesting, enligtening place to be......sometimes more interesting than other times. I just read your story and it sounds a lot like mine, AP and up the ladder of medications.
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Hello and welcome. I saw your hands get smacked on the AP thread and was completely disgusted that that happened simply from you asking some intelligent questions, having been on AP already and not having a successful experience.
I apologize to you for that happening. It was not okay at all. I was appalled at how rudely you were treated. Another person may not have stayed after that welcome.
Shug, there is no 'rule' about having to introduce yourself before you post, so please don't apologize, you did nothing wrong.
New people don't necessarily know about that and if you have already had experience with your RA journey, it's quite natural to see an interesting topic and ask questions or add to what is being said, without thinking about introducing yourself. I was similar when I joined here and don't think I realized to introduced myself until well and truly after I started posting on threads. Many others have also done similar and it's fine.
It's also unwise of us to presume that every newbie here is an RA newbie. That is often not the case so right off, people with years experience with this disease already have things worth sharing or questions that are insightful.
Welcome to the board. I look forward to getting to know you and hearing more insightful, intelligent questions coming from your direction.
Feel free to ask any questions, anywhere. And also feel free to ignore people who are unnecessarily rude. The rest of us will welcome your input.
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My goodness! I had no idea troll is such an official, widely used term!
A troll is someone who posts on a message board for the sole purpose of being disruptive.
That's a simple definition, others might come up with more comprehensive ones though.
Yep...they goes Jas with a thesis to read, CathyMarie, now you will know all about any kind of Troll anywhere. Go Jas,
Hiya Shug!
Nice to "meet" ya!
Hey Shug!! glad to meet you......
[QUOTE=buckeye]and as Shug discovered a Troll is also anyone that may have an opinion not approved by the self chosen Queen's of the board. You will continue to discover that a dissenting opinion makes you a Troll. If you make a point certain people can't refute it becomes a "straw" arguement. If you correctly interpert a nasty statment of particular posters that they will claim that you twisted their words. It is sad that there are posters here who can not or will not take responsibility for their words. Luckily I think most people can figure out who is who and what is what and form their own opinions [/QUOTE]
Very well said, Buckeye.
[QUOTE=Spelunker]I want to thank everyone for their thoughtful remarks and welcomes. Having been tagged as Troll, I can plainly see that the only option left is to wear the guise with gusto. I thought that maybe I was going to have to obtain a bonafides from my physician! I came to this forum after seeing it mentioned in an article about online resources in an arthritis magazine in the therapist’s waiting room. Perhaps the article should have included cautionary statements as well: say, eh?
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Hilarious, Shug. Excellent. You have a very decent sense of humor there. Well put. We can always do with MORE humor here, always.
Lindy, that magical swim in a Yucatan cenote, your walk in the jungle, your moment of delight in silver smithing, blogging, writing a column, journaling, watching the Sun or Moon rise or set are the moments that neither time nor circumstances can take away from you! Nor from those of us with whom you have chosen to share yourself. I, for one, thank you for sharing yourself so freely.
LMAO...you call me a troll and then sign off with Hugs? Too bloody funny. I would have more respect for you if you were honest and eliminated the saccharine 'Hugs'. The only drama I see on this forum at this time is your inability to answer simple, direct questions.
Why don't you turn your laser-like insights in your own direction and listen to yourself, judge your own actions, your own arrogance, your own hyperbole?
Whether or not I remain an active poster on this discussion forum has nothing to do with your guessing games.
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LMAO...you call me a troll and then sign off with Hugs? Too bloody funny. I would have more respect for you if you were honest and eliminated the saccharine 'Hugs'. The only drama I see on this forum at this time is your inability to answer simple, direct questions.
Why don't you turn your laser-like insights in your own direction and listen to yourself, judge your own actions, your own arrogance, your own hyperbole?
Whether or not I remain an active poster on this discussion forum has nothing to do with your guessing games.
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It seems many of us had suspicions back then. I didn't say anything because I wasn't sure one way or the other. Couldn't figure out if it was a flake, a troll, a disgruntled former poster, a psych experiement...
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