They are clever- spikes with blunt ends so they don't hurt the birds but prevent them from finding a landing place.[QUOTE=Jan Lucinda]
They are clever- spikes with blunt ends so they don't hurt the birds but prevent them from finding a landing place.[/QUOTE]
Blunt ends or not it is a spike and this is cruelty to animals!
How is it cruel if it doesn't harm the animal? I take a floor mat that's has little plastic "spikes" on the underside. It's a runner that you would use in high traffic areas to keep the carpet clean. I flip it and lay it on the sofa to keep the dogs off. Works like a charm.
Linncn2009-04-05 16:16:35
[QUOTE=Linncn]How is it cruel if it doesn't harm the animal? I take a floor mat that's has little plastic "spikes" on the underside. It's a runner that you would use in high traffic areas to keep the carpet clean. I flip it and lay it on the sofa to keep the dogs off. Works like a charm. [/QUOTE]
OOH I bet that would work to keep the cats off too! Though I imagine they would just move up and sit/lay on the back of the couch instead.
Yeah. Easy manuever for a cat. Not so much for a Golden Retriever.I have a birdhouse bark deterrent........ works well for three of my dogs... my daughter's mutt, on the other hand doesn't stop barking long enough to hear the sound....
also.. any noise makes it go off.;.. people talking..... doors opening, closing..... etc......
There is a big difference between the soft plastic spikes on a car mat and metal. My cat used to love to lay on the mat in front of our door, it was like a massage for him. I have seen these spikes they are used here for pigeons and while I do not like pigeons I still think this is cruel. I am from the coast where during the summer there are hundreds of seagulls and we have a lot of tourists who eat on the beach and I have never seen a seagull swoop down and take their food.
[QUOTE=Dalmatinka]There is a big difference between the soft plastic spikes on a car mat and metal. My cat used to love to lay on the mat in front of our door, it was like a massage for him. I have seen these spikes they are used here for pigeons and while I do not like pigeons I still think this is cruel. I am from the coast where during the summer there are hundreds of seagulls and we have a lot of tourists who eat on the beach and I have never seen a seagull swoop down and take their food. [/QUOTE]
Then the gulls in Croatia must be much more polite and well-trained than the gulls over here in the States. Some of the American gulls can be downright mean, and they have quite a sense of entitlement.Jas-
VERY TRUE.
These are some of the organizations that have sought help dealing with seagulls:
City of Oceanside, City of Glendale, U.S. Navy, 32 St. Statiion(San Diego), Vons, Longs Drugs, Home Depot, Fresno State Uni., Continental Homes, U.S. Navy, Pearl Harbor, Oregon State Univ. Target, Robinsons May.
They are quite a problem.
[QUOTE=Dalmatinka]There is a big difference between the soft plastic spikes on a car mat and metal. My cat used to love to lay on the mat in front of our door, it was like a massage for him. I have seen these spikes they are used here for pigeons and while I do not like pigeons I still think this is cruel. I am from the coast where during the summer there are hundreds of seagulls and we have a lot of tourists who eat on the beach and I have never seen a seagull swoop down and take their food. [/QUOTE]
I have not seen these spikes. Jan said the ones she's talking about have a blunt end and merely prevent landing. I don't see how this is cruel if the animal is not harmed.
Dalma-
Take the time to read the website. They spikes are plastic.
I read the website, maybe you think because I am not on AP I dont know how to read, spikes are spikes, plastic or not and it is cruel and the birds will be hurt I dont care what you say.Actually Jan, I think you need to check the website again. The rods are stainless steel.Hill- The pictures show plastic.I can't get the website to load.
Jas-
Click from this thread.
The picture looks like plastic but says they are stainless steel.
I don't think the U.S. Navy, 32nd St. Station (San Diego), the U.S. Navy, Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Air Force, Indian Springs and the U.S. Navy, North Island would do anything illegal, like mistreating animals.
Dalma, you're weird.
[QUOTE=Jan Lucinda]Jas-
Snow-
Yes, they can be a big problem for boats. Big problem.
[QUOTE=SnowOwl]Well, maybe I should tell, they weren't poisoning them or shooting them, nothing like that. They'd take big blocks of ice and scatter shrimp across the surface, let them partially freeze on the ice surface. Then they'd toss the ice blocks overboard where they'd bob in the water. The gulls would see what just looked like shrimp floating in the water and would dive at the ice blocks and bang their beaks.[/QUOTE]
I wonder what the Lake Michigan gulls would think of french-fry popsicles?
[QUOTE=JasmineRain]
I still can't get it to load,..[/QUOTE]
All I get is some pictures. It
appears that all of these deterrents are mounted on roofs, in gutters, along edging, or on street lamps.
How will they prevent seagulls for going after unattended bags of groceries left on the curb?
[QUOTE=Jan Lucinda]Tuesday I had gotten some groceries and unloaded
them on the curb. Some seagulls hang around the apartment. As soon as
I left the groceries for a minute, THE SEAGULLS CAME AFTER THE
GROCERIES!!!!! I talked to Animal Control. She said they are
scavengers and go after food so will be careful in the future!!!
AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SnowOwl] but I'm going to guess that if the deterrent devices discourage gulls from even hanging around an area they won't be hovering and so spot the unattended groceries?[/QUOTE]
Like you, SnowOwl, I do not live in an area that is beset with seagulls, however during monsoon season they can arrive in great numbers blown in from the Sea of Cortez. It
seems from where I stand, that such deterrent devices would have to be used in a large area to be effective for the scenario.
I have seen seagulls lined up, one every few feet, along a lengthy stretch of barbed wire fencing as well as resting on the poultry wire +
slinky wire covered top of our chicken run (the slinky wire is to foil the all-too-clever coatimundis and desert gray squirrels for chewing through the poultry wire and raiding the coop.
I do not know how expensive any of the _solutions_ presented on the site are, but it seems to me that not leaving parcels of food unattended would be the most practical and economical way. ... ... ... ...
[QUOTE=Jan Lucinda]Jas-
Click from this thread.
The picture looks like plastic but says they are stainless steel.
I don't think the U.S. Navy, 32nd St. Station (San Diego), the U.S. Navy, Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Air Force, Indian Springs and the U.S. Navy, North Island would do anything illegal, like mistreating animals.
Dalma, you're weird.
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Why, because I am not on the almighty AP protocol? Or because I dont believe in cruelty to animals?
It is said that animals sense when a person is not nice and attack them. Maybe this is your problem?
Dal~Where is the cruelty in this? Seriously, how do you think these birds are being harmed by being averted from landing in a particular area? [QUOTE=Linncn]Dal~Where is the cruelty in this? Seriously, how do you think these birds are being harmed by being averted from landing in a particular area? [/QUOTE]
Ummmm...because there are metal spikes on these areas and the birds could get impaled?
I talked to a gal at the company about this situation and she suspects that someone is feeding them. She said if they do not get food, they will not come back. I asked the manager and she said as far as she knows no one is feeding them but will check.
She said if someone wants to feed them they should do so AWAY from the entrance.
The gal was very nice. Will see what happens.
Anything used by this company is legal and DOES NOT harm birds. If they did the SPCA would be there in a minute. They offer a valuable service.
[QUOTE=Dalmatinka][QUOTE=Linncn]Dal~Where is the cruelty in this? Seriously, how do you think these birds are being harmed by being averted from landing in a particular area? [/QUOTE]
Ummmm...because there are metal spikes on these areas and the birds could get impaled?
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remember birds see much better than we do... so I don't expect they would even attempt to light on the rods......
I do however, see all your points, Dalmatinka....
THe SPCA is Very active.
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