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To anyone that is doing very well with their current RA treatment what is your level of stiffness, pain and inflammation not only in the morning but throughout the day?  I ask because I was told that my current treatment is obviously working but I feel like total crap.  It's strange because when I wake up, I'm not too stiff but after about an hour it comes on and hangs about the entire day.  Then again my RA has never been "typical."

 
thanks
Bob
Well, Bob-o, I thought I was doing ok until this recent motherhellovaflare that I'm still struggling with. (Think it was kicked off by stress and the move and such.) When I'm feeling "decent" as in tolerable pain/swelling/stiffness, I'm still sitting at about an 8. I have one more level to bump up to on my imuran, but have to wait until I find a new RD because it has to be monitored. I get stiffness in the mornings that lasts about 2 hrs and I'm with you where sometimes it lasts all day. Or sometimes it's there in the morning and shows back up in the evening as a special treat. I don't think any of our RA is "typical." We're just all extra-special. Bob, if it helps, I was never stiff in the morning but got progressively worse all day.  By 4 - 6 PM I'd be in hell and couldn't walk, hence the need for a walker.  About 6 months ago I started researching sleep patterns and from what I've seen, our internal circadian rythyms (never could spell that word) determine when we get stiff.  Mine were waaaay off so I think maybe that's why I got worse as the day progressed.
 
I have no pain or stiffness now, not even a few steps, which is weird as that was the way it was up until Christmas, stiff until I could walk to the bathroom.  Go figure.
 
Hugs,
 
Pip

I'm doing pretty good these days, waking some days with minor stiffness/pain and none on other days. It's gone by the time I take a hot steamy shower, unless I do something crazy like wear heels to work. When I'm in a flare, tho, much more like you say where it gets progressively worse through the day.

I hope you find some relief and a better doctor than your backwoods RD that you seem to be stuck with currently.
Bob,

I have no stiffness and no aching joints.  I feel just like I did before the RA.  My RD treats me based on how I feel, not my test results.  I'm glad he did or I never would have reached drug-induced remission.  My ESR and CRP have been normal for a long time.

I still have problems if I have to stop the Enbrel due to infection, but I get the same great results once I start back on my shots.


Bob, my RA is not as bad as yours, but I wanted to suggest, have you ever considered switching NSAIDs?  I take the max dose of Mobic every day, and that is my lifeline.  Obviously doesn't stop the progress of disease, but keeps me out of a lot of pain. I've read that different NSAIDs work better/worse for different people.  I have been on Celebrex/Vioxx before, but not when my pain was as bad.  I feel lucky that I respond to Mobic so well.  It did take about a month of being on it before I got the max effect. 
 
I do still have some aches and pains and had some swelling still until Humira...mostly but not totally gone now.
Every day is different for me. Since going off the MTX for a couple of weeks I have not regained the level of "comfort" I had prior to going off even with the increase to 10 mgs pred a day and 20 mgs MTX weekly.
 
My stiffness increases over the course of the day- after dinner being the most pronounced.  My pain fluctuates around my body flitting from joint to joint at times but it's just about always in my wrists & sides of my hand. I find myself fatigued. It's all annoying if I think about it but I don't let it and can't let it stop me from doing what I have to do. In fact I find the busier I keep myself the less I notice it. I find I feel my worst on weekends when I try to give myself a break.
 
I think if I start a biologic at the end of this month when I see my RD and if I still feel like this...it will piss me off.
Hi Bob,
 
When I'm in a flare (just got out of one) I am stiff from the moment I wake up until about 6 or 7 hours later.  Since I'm out of my flare, I have morning stiffness that lasts about 1 hour.  My pain is highest on waking but it seems to sit around a 5 or 6.  Not too bad overall.  I agree with kweenb that my doctor treats off of symptoms and not tests alone.  I am one of those people whose blood results are not too bad but the swelling could be awful.  My rd doesn't get "hung up" on blood tests alone. 
 
I have chronic pain from a riding injury I sustained several years ago and I think that is what bothers me on many occassions.  I am on a fentanyl patch 25 mcg every three days with percocet for breakthrough.  I have been on the same lower dose for two years now.  To be honest, the patch does help me and I'm not sure what my ra pain would be like without it. 
 
I hope this helps.  Good luck with your new rd appointment.  I'll be thinking of you...Hiking_gal
 
For me I am mostly stiff in the morning and it lasts in some degree throughout  most of the day.  Mine pain/immflamation travels from place to place. Just last night my one wrist was swollen, you could see the immflamation on the top of my hand too. Looked really awful. Then about 20 min later it went to the other wrist. Really weird. or My feet will hurt and be stiff and then my knees will hurt, or one shoulder wrist and on the other side a knee will hurt. I am totally weird as far as that goes too. For me the MTX and Plaquinel aren't doing enough. I am off the diclofanic totally and would love to get off the prednisone too.  When I get up my only stiffness is in the ankle that is damaged.  Other than that I have no stiffness.  Some pain from damage and that's about it.  Sometimes if I overdo then the damaged areas hurt and also PsA will cause some pain.  Take care.  Lindy

I am not one of those considered "doing well" but I wanted to chime in here... IMO, RDs should look at the physical symptoms.... some of us are SeroNeg... and we don't show blood test levels of RA.......

I hope you keep your May appointment, Bob...  You deserve an RD who listens.....
Slight stiffness upon rising; but I go straight from bed to shower most mornings and I do think that helps a lot. Stiffness rarely a problem during the day unless the weather is wicked and then I notice I'll have more problems.
 
All in all I'm doing better than I have in years if you don't count the random back problems that do cause problems by the end of a busy day.
Bob,

I am doing very well with my current treatment and I'd be happy to share what works for me.  I take Enbrel once every 10 days (progressed from once a week) which has completed stopped the majority of the pain.  I get occasional swelling and pain, but nothing like before.  I also take EPA Fish Oil and Glucosamine vitamin supplements everyday.  In addition, I try to avoid white sugar and flour, red meat, and tomatoes which has been shown to make inflammation worse in some people (I reccomend speaking with a nutritionist).  I also exercise 3-4 times per week.  I believe the integration of tradition medicine as well as the use of vitamins, proper diet, and alternative therapies such as acupuncture and masseage therapy have helped me with treating my disease as a whole.  I hope this helps, and I truly hope you find some more relief soon.
I do want to get one thing straight about the doc I have now.  She knows her stuff of that there is absolutely no doubt.  She is a very intelligent woman but she doesn't have the most charming bedside manor which is one reason I initially left.  I had hoped maybe it might be a little different this time around but I was wrong.   If anyone were to look at my joints they would swear that I have never had RA.  I don't know if the 40mg of pred I'm still on is keeping the swelling away or what but it is clearly influencing my ESR and CRP.   I do not doubt that remicade and mtx are doing something but since the ultimate goal of treatment is remission, I don't think they are potent enough.  That is why I want another opinion...to see if what is being done is all that can be done or if maybe something else might kick this RA in the butt better.  
 
Having said that.  I have a TON of pain in my feet and ankles with this feeling in my left foot like there is a ping-pong ball size mass in there.  Xrays said something about a "bone island" whatever that is.   Also, my neck hurts like hell and my shoulders are terribly stiff as are the elbows.  Don't get me wrong, I've had RA for 24 years now and have learned to live with a certain amount of pain.  (we have no choice right)  I just thought that the biologics, along with controlling inflammation, helped with a good bit of the stiffness and maybe some for pain too.  I hate pain meds!  
pain meds + constipation from the pain meds =
 
Bob
I don't know all of the answers of course. I think the stiffness is RA related. The docs seem to believe in this fibromyalgia stuff. LOL  I have really bad fibro I guess. But in my personal opinion it is the pain and stiffness of RA.
Take my toe for example. It has narrowing of the joint space and swelling. It also gets stiff and it gets awful muscle contractions that last for hours. I think that is part of the process that deforms our joints. The doctor did suggest Lyrica. I might try it? I just don't want to be tired and dizzy. But then again I am really tired of all of the pain and stiffness. I will have to see if my insurance covers it and if so what my copay is.
[QUOTE=mom2threeinaz]For me I am mostly stiff in the morning and it lasts in some degree throughout  most of the day.  Mine pain/immflamation travels from place to place. Just last night my one wrist was swollen, you could see the immflamation on the top of my hand too. Looked really awful. Then about 20 min later it went to the other wrist. Really weird. or My feet will hurt and be stiff and then my knees will hurt, or one shoulder wrist and on the other side a knee will hurt. I am totally weird as far as that goes too. For me the MTX and Plaquinel aren't doing enough. I am off the diclofanic totally and would love to get off the prednisone too.  [/QUOTE]

I agree...my RA is a lot like yours. I describe it as the "Marco-Polo" syndrome or the twinkling of a swarm of lightening bugs. I am in a flare as we speak. I think I will have to bump my prednisone.
 
Have you been thru the fibro exam? Most of the places you are talking about that hurts like your elbows & neck are fibro areas. Fibro can cause stiffness as well and of course wicked muscle pain.
 
Well... I hope you keep your appt and they can help you.
 
Much hugs to you.
Oh and here is what a bone island is Bone Island is a term used for Enchondroma.
 
Good question - I always wonder how I am doing compared to others since I don't personally know anyone else who has RA.  From what I read and knowing how my mother suffered with RA, I guess I am doing good. 
 
During the night I have some pain in my hands, wrist and toes.  When I get out of bed (slowly), I am stiff with mild pain.  Coming down the stairs, I walk one at a time because my knees are stiff.  I watch a little TV and have coffee for about 2 hours to "get moving".  Take a shower and then I feel a little less stiff with a little less pain and I go to work.
 
During the day I notice that I "push" myself up out of my chair, rather than just standing up.  If I squat down to the bottom file drawer, I use the drawer pulls to "lift" myself back up.  My hips appear to be very weak.
 
Fatigue is always a problem, some days worse than others.  I tend to get a little better, pain and stiffness-wise, later in the day. 
 
I have been on Plaquenil for a few weeks now, but can't see any difference so far. 
 
At my last visit to my RD, I mentioned my concern that I was getting worse and was afraid I may not be able to continue working at some point.  He said he didn't think I would get that bad.  At the beginning of my diagnosis he said I had an aggressive form of RA and was surprised at how well MTX had been working for me.  But in just over a year, my MTX was increased and Plaquenil added. 
 
I, too, feel like "total crap" most of the time.  Not severe pain, just don't feel good.  One day recently I actually felt almost "normal" and it was amazing to me to realize how far from "normal" I have come. 
 
I just don't understand this disease.  But I'm thankful I'm not nearly as bad as a lot of other people are pain-wise.  OK, I'm through whining now.
 
 

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