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JSNM posted this in the AP thread:
"And the new endo's PA/RN knew about DES, and she about fell out of her
chair when I said I was an in-utero DES baby (its in the chart). I was
shocked too and said you know about DES? She said yes of course, and I
told her then please understand why I respond opposite to what you
expect. At least one medical professional who is aware of this
situation. It's horrifyng that it's still being used in baby formulas,
pet foods, etc. "
What infant forumulas and pet foods contain DES?
perhaps I'll take a seat here
I had also wanted to know.....
Perhaps you should have searched Pubmed?
This is worse - it's in the food!
Pip
I doubt we are still eating cows that were alive in 1981. while i don't doubt it was a well researched article a 28 year old beef catte study is not relavent to the food supply of 2009And Veal -
And chicken -
It's enough to take one Vegan -
Cathy - did you know there are 9446 articles on DES in Pubmed?
Pip
Well, it's against the law to use DES in food in Austrailia.
Jasmine and Babs:
Since you both seem to be on a vendetta against my character, I will not be able to produce for you the evidence you seek. The information is deep in the archives of my DES-List Serve, which is impossible to research and pull back up.
The baby formula and pet foods that have DES in them are being used in third world countries, so you don't need to worry about your own family or pet getting it. The people and animals that are receiving this DES-tainted baby forumula and feed/pet foods are probably grateful just to get a meal, albeit one with a timebomb in it. It's also probably why you cannot find anything on the Net about it, third world countries don't count for much in this day and age.
I would be more worried as Pip posted above about how much DES you have consumed over the years in feed stock or the possible prenatal vitamins your mothers were prescribed during her pregnancy with you. Eli Lily did not stop producing DES until 1997.
So, if you want to call me a liar for not being able to produce the documentation to back up my statement, which I still stand by, go for it, have fun.
I suspect that 99% of you in here have never even heard about DES, have no idea what an in-utero DES baby is, nor have the slightest clue you possibly were exposed if your mother was prescribed certain DES-based prenatal vitamins. The list of these DES-based prenatal vitamins is over in the Center for Disease Control website re DES, so you may want to consult with your mothers and find out. Check out the cute posters for the doctor's offices to convince your Mom. You might want to ponder why you haven't heard of DES before, as it has been America's medical nightmare that has been hushed up for decades. The "flipper babies" over in England were harder to keep secret.
Studies now show that DES-exposed babies develop autoimmune diseases. This is all over the Net and very easy to find. I would think very hard about this truth and your own autoimmune disease if you have wondered why me?
Cathy - DES and mycoplasma pneumonia -
Baby food - no abstract available -
More in Italy -
Vitamin D toxicity???
Well well well Pip - bet you about fell out of your computer chair with that one? LOL
Edited to add this was about the mycoplasma, you posted four more before I got one sentence in. Hit the motherlode?
justsaynoemore2009-04-12 16:05:16Well, I'm a bit freaked out here. The French have a study that says 'it's in the plants' (alfalfa) because of the fertiizer and say it's another reason to not allow DES in the food chain in France.
Also, some interesting connections from DES and other pseudo-estrogens being related to arterialsclerois and cholesterol production.
And it's interesting all the baby formula studies in other countries yet we can't get the study here???
Pip
[QUOTE=justsaynoemore]Jasmine and Babs:
Since you both seem to be on a vendetta against my character, I will not be able to produce for you the evidence you seek. The information is deep in the archives of my DES-List Serve, which is impossible to research and pull back up.
The baby formula and pet foods that have DES in them are being used in third world countries, so you don't need to worry about your own family or pet getting it. The people and animals that are receiving this DES-tainted baby forumula and feed/pet foods are probably grateful just to get a meal, albeit one with a timebomb in it. It's also probably why you cannot find anything on the Net about it, third world countries don't count for much in this day and age.
I would be more worried as Pip posted above about how much DES you have consumed over the years in feed stock or the possible prenatal vitamins your mothers were prescribed during her pregnancy with you. Eli Lily did not stop producing DES until 1997.
So, if you want to call me a liar for not being able to produce the documentation to back up my statement, which I still stand by, go for it, have fun.
I suspect that 99% of you in here have never even heard about DES, have no idea what an in-utero DES baby is, nor have the slightest clue you possibly were exposed if your mother was prescribed certain DES-based prenatal vitamins. The list of these DES-based prenatal vitamins is over in the Center for Disease Control website re DES, so you may want to consult with your mothers and find out. Check out the cute posters for the doctor's offices to convince your Mom. You might want to ponder why you haven't heard of DES before, as it has been America's medical nightmare that has been hushed up for decades. The "flipper babies" over in England were harder to keep secret.
Studies now show that DES-exposed babies develop autoimmune diseases. This is all over the Net and very easy to find. I would think very hard about this truth and your own autoimmune disease if you have wondered why me?
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first of all....... A Vendetta? against your character...my god, flatter yourself much?
Think again Cathy about WHO you are talking to AND about what things we've discussed.... OK? I think YOU owe me an apology for that comment....
secondly....... I WANTED to know the answer to the question..
Why must you always think there is something about a question......
YOU ignored it in the APer thread. OF course, It's not applicable even though YOU brought it up there... but you always ignore things in the APer thread.
the rules are only for others.......not for you...I see.
I see alot of things right here ... right now... I see and understand that though I've been open about my sincere cheers for your good results... You chastise me in PM when I inquired why you didnt' reply to something I wrote on the AP thread....
you are not what you pretend to be by sending Easter emails.......
Oh yeah........I get it...
Babs,
I think there must be a full moon...Babs - you didn't care a bit about DES until Jasmine brought it up. You chose on the AP thread to push it along, egging me on, trying to make me out to be a liar. That's you, not me. Think about it. Go back and read your butt-kissing comment to help Jasmine along and then try to deny your collusion in Jasmine's ongoing attempts at character assassination of anybody who doesn't toe her line in here.
Jasmine - I have asked you politely, and I am going to ask you again, LEAVE ME ALONE. Stop stalking me around this forum and posting lies and trying to trap me into your sick, psychotic mind games. And this also goes for your group of henchwomen, led by Lynn et al. Can't you leave anybody alone with their posts? Do you always have to start attacking any and everybody and ruining every thread? Thank you. Cathy
[QUOTE=justsaynoemore] And this also goes for your group of henchwomen, led by Lynn et al. Can't you leave anybody alone with their posts? Do you always have to start attacking any and everybody and ruining every thread? Thank you. Cathy[/QUOTE]
You are a potty mouthed nut case!
[QUOTE=justsaynoemore]Babs - you didn't care a bit about DES until Jasmine brought it up. You chose on the AP thread to push it along, egging me on, trying to make me out to be a liar. That's you, not me. Think about it. Go back and read your butt-kissing comment to help Jasmine along and then try to deny your collusion in Jasmine's ongoing attempts at character assassination of anybody who doesn't toe her line in here.
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You're ridiculous........ HERE is my "push" post:
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Does everyone in your life lie to you? that you can't see when people are honest?
Everyone see how I pushed this? I DID GOOGLE IT...... and then I joked around w/leila .....guess she's in on it too, huh? This great big character assassination
I can't make you look more foolish than you yourselves can........
(before I'm accused of something ELSE.....I edited to correctly spell assassination.
babs102009-04-12 18:39:31I might suggest that anybody interest in DES search Pubmed because there is definitely something strange going on there. I've never seen anything like this on Pubmed before. Page after page with 'no abstract available' and "no authors give'. The search terms I used was 'diethylstilbestrol food' How is this possible?
Pip
I did my research but not using pubmed... where
and found most things were outdated to say the least.... 70's and before
Phytoestrogens and mycoestrogens are naturally occurring dietary compounds that strongly resemble the structrure of the mammalian steroidal estrogens. Lignans, isoflavones, and coumestans are the three major classes of phytoestrogens to which humans and animals are exposed. Animals may be exposed to high levels of phytoestrogens while grazing in pastures or consuming feed rich in clover of alfalfa. Domestic livestock may be exposed to mycoestrogens, primarily zearalenone, by consuming feed that is contaminated with Fusarium spp. toxins. Livestock consuming feed is exposed to 907--1195 mg of isoflavones/kg of feed. In clover pastures, livestock is exposed to isoflavones at a level of 0.05--4.8% (dry weight). Mycoestrogen exposure varies according to the level of contamination of feed. The zearalenone content of animal feed is estimated to be within 14--215 ng/g depending on the geographical region and type of grain or cereal consumed. With respect to human exposure, lignans and isoflavones are most commonly found in foods containing flaxseed or soybeans, respectively. Since the extent of phytoestrogen exposure is dependent on dietary composition, vegetarians or infants receiving soy-based infant formulas have a significantly higher level of exposure to phytoestrogens. Humans may be exposed to trace or low levels of mycoestrogens via consumption of cereal or cereal products that are mildly contaminated with zearalenone. Dietary intakes of zearalenone are estimated to be 100--500 ng/kg body weight per day. Both animal and human studies have demonstrated that exposure to phytoestrogens and mycoestrogens can result in estrogen-like or antiestrogen-like effects depending on the timing of exposure in the life-cycle, the duration of exposure, and the dose administered. Accordingly, these compounds can have adverse effects or health benefits. Alterations in reproductive indices that lead to reduced fertility rates have been reported in animals grazing in pastures containing phytoestrogens or consuming feed ontaminated with mycoestrogens. Impairments in sexual behavior and alterations in measures of masculinity as well as modifications in carcass composition have been reported in animals implanted with a synthetic analogue of zearalenone. In humans, the progression of diseases in which estrogen may play a role, such as cancer, cardiovascular disease, and osteoporosis, may be attenuated with phytoestrogen exposure. Exposure to phytoestrogens during critical developmental periods may reduce the risk of disease development in later life.
pretty much damned if you do... damned if you don't..... and timing is everything.
babs102009-04-12 19:25:31Of the 9446 articles on Pubmed about diethylstilbestrol, quite a few (most?) were about testing it NOW and trying to figure out how bad this is from an estrogen-stimuating stand point. First page has quite a few references to MS, Crohn's, and other AI diseases. Many studies compared this to BPA which is a new estrogen-mimicry 'outroar' because Canada and OTHER country's have outlawed BPA's because of the damage to children should a parent use a BPA plastic to heat a child's milk for example. I noticed at Toys-R-Us that they now have signs up saying none of their plastic bottles contain BPA's. Snopes STILL says this is not a problem. Odd, now that I see so much more research freely available on Pubmed.
I'd like to also point out that in the PBS special 'Sick Around the World' there is a part where the Swiss (???) blatently say 'we sell our meds to America where they have lesser regulatory restrictions than we do". Turned my stomach. Trust me, US manufacturers do not have a problem selling drugs we pulled here to countries that have 'lesser regulations' than we do. It happens all the time.
Anybody remember the Nestles baby food scandle of the late 70's and early 80's?
How about Phen-fen? Pulled here because people were dying...still sold in other countries.
How about Celebrex? Vioxx? Whatever? If it was a money maker, it's still available somewhere else.
Then there's the DDT manufacturing - anybody read about how, because of globalization, much of our food is NOW contaminated with it because we sell it to other countries that use it NOW and then buy the food that comes contaminated with it. Hell, there was even a Law and Order episode on it recently - because it was front page news in the LA Times and all the writers who live here read the same articles and covert it to a TV episode. If you like House, I guarantee you there will be an episode on DES within the next 4 months (maybe longer as hiatus is coming up). Why? Look at the date on this.
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Of the 9446 articles on Pubmed about diethylstilbestrol, quite a few (most?) were about testing it NOW and trying to figure out how bad this is from an estrogen-stimuating stand point. First page has quite a few references to MS, Crohn's, and other AI diseases. [/QUOTE]
so... why are you running down the halls w/ your hair on fire.......???
It's testing...... not hiding the use of...
and House? It's called a drama for a reason... I don't understand your correlation there.
Another aside to Cathy, I have a grandson who is a preemie.. they are more delicate and have more issues than full term babies not to mention he is being tested tomorrow for extreme allergies by an endoscope into his little stomach for biopsy.......... I want to know ALL things that potentially could harm him........
and if that isn't reason enough to question a blatant statement made about DES and baby foods..... well then.... you have issues bundled into subscriptions.
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