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FROM FACTCHECK.ORG:
A
group called Conservatives for Patients' Rights began airing a
television ad this week that criticizes government-run health care and
falsely suggests Congress wants a British-style system here in the U.S.:
The ad neglects to mention that President Obama hasn't proposed a government-run plan and, in fact, has rejected the idea.
It
claims that a research council created by the stimulus bill is "the
first step in government control over your health care choices." The
legislation actually says the council isn't permitted to "mandate
coverage, reimbursement, or other policies."
The ad
quotes a Canadian doctor who has been critical of his country's system,
but leaves out the fact that the doctor has praised other
government-funded systems, such as those in Austria and France.
Conservatives
for Patients’ Rights is, as its name indicates, a conservative group,
and it’s also quite obviously not a proponent of government-run health
care. Its minute-long ad was launched April 27 with what the group said was a month-long million buy. (We've seen it on CNN several times this week.) CPR was launched this year and is led by Rick Scott, former head of Columbia/Hospital Corporation of America.
The ad states that government-run health care systems, in particular
those in Britain and Canada, take control away from patients and ration
health care. CPR is certainly entitled to state its own view. But the
ad implies that the U.S. Congress wants to implement a health system
like those in Britain and Canada. That's contrary to what President
Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress have said.
For rest of analysis see:
http://www.factcheck.org/politics/government-run_health_care.html
Hi Joie
Can I just add that I dont think our control is taken away from us with the healthcare we have.
I go to see my doctor with a health problem, he will try to treat it in house, if that doesnt work and he feels I need further investigation he will suggest I see a specialist in the field. I then get a choice of what hospital I go to, its called "Choose and Book" He looks on the computerized booking system to find out where I could be seen quicker and closer to home.
I then get my appointment. I have been seen within 4 weeks with all appointments since this system was brought out. The NHS is trying to improve waiting times all the time.
My healthcare is certainly not rationed. This year alone I have seen my rheumy, my gyn, ENT specialist, had a endoscopy and colonoscopy, scan on my kidneys and mammogram.
Surely this kind of healthcare is better than being told you can not be seen by a doctor or hospital due to lack of money.
We read time and time again on this board that so many people can not get their meds due to lack of money they have coming in or their insurances wont pay out . If you are really sick and need medication the last thing you need to be worried about is cost.
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FROM FACTCHECK.ORG:
GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE???
April 30, 2009
SUMMARY
A group called Conservatives for Patients' Rights began airing a television ad this week that criticizes government-run health care and falsely suggests Congress wants a British-style system here in the U.S.:
The ad neglects to mention that President Obama hasn't proposed a government-run plan and, in fact, has rejected the idea.
It claims that a research council created by the stimulus bill is "the first step in government control over your health care choices." The legislation actually says the council isn't permitted to "mandate coverage, reimbursement, or other policies."
The ad quotes a Canadian doctor who has been critical of his country's system, but leaves out the fact that the doctor has praised other government-funded systems, such as those in Austria and France.
ANALYSIS
Conservatives for Patients’ Rights is, as its name indicates, a conservative group, and it’s also quite obviously not a proponent of government-run health care. Its minute-long ad was launched April 27 with what the group said was a month-long million buy. (We've seen it on CNN several times this week.) CPR was launched this year and is led by Rick Scott, former head of Columbia/Hospital Corporation of America.
The ad states that government-run health care systems, in particular those in Britain and Canada, take control away from patients and ration health care. CPR is certainly entitled to state its own view. But the ad implies that the U.S. Congress wants to implement a health system like those in Britain and Canada. That's contrary to what President Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress have said.
For rest of analysis see:
http://www.factcheck.org/politics/government-run_health_care.html
Obama also said he would not any bills with Earmarks......we know how that went
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6t5, Heh....
Rick Scott is the head/spokesperson for the group "Conservatives for Patient's Rights." Just who is he?
Rick Scott was forced to resign as CEO of Columbia/HCA Healthcare, the largest hospital chain, amidst an FBI investigation for defrauding the US government.
From 2000 Forbes article:
". . . the nation's largest hospital chain, known until recently as Columbia/HCA Healthcare
(nyse: HCA - news - people),
pleaded guilty to a variety of fraud charges. It admitted to bilking
various government programs and agreed to pay a total of 0 million
in fines and penalties. The fraud settlement is the largest in U.S.
history . . . parts of the investigation into the company's practices remain unsettled. The
guilty plea follows a seven-year federal investigation that resulted in
charges being filed in five different federal courts in Florida, Texas,
Georgia and Tennessee, where HCA is headquartered. The fraud revealed
by that investigation ran deep within HCA's way of doing business.
Speaking at a news conference yesterday, U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno
said about the plea deal, "It's a simple message--if you overbill the
U.S. taxpayer, we're going to make you pay it back, and then some." The
company admitted to systematically overcharging the government by
claiming marketing costs as reimbursable, by striking illegal deals
with home care agencies, and by filing false data about how hospital
space was being used. The
company increased Medicare billings by exaggerating the seriousness of
the illnesses they were treating. It also granted doctors partnerships
in company hospitals as a kickback for the doctors referring patients
to HCA. In addition, it gave doctors "loans" that were never expected
to be paid back, free rent, free office furniture, and free drugs from
hospital pharmacies. "
http://www.forbes.com/2000/12/15/1215disaster.htmlFROM DEPT. OF JUSTICE PRESS RELEASE:
"For a number of years, the Department, working with private
whistleblower-plaintiffs and their attorneys, has been in litigation with HCA
(the former Columbia/HCA Healthcare Corporation) concerning its billing
practices and conduct with respect to its charging of Medicare, Medicaid and
other federally funded health care programs. This litigation has included
allegations of overcharging the government on HCA's cost reports, payment of
kickbacks and other improper remuneration to physicians in exchange for
referral of patients, and overcharging in connection with the company's
agreements for management of its wound care facilities. During this time we
have had discussions with HCA about resolving this civil litigation. The staff
assigned to this matter has now reached a tentative understanding with HCA for
a settlement of 1 million. If formally approved, this settlement would
resolve the litigation as well as HCA's administrative liability to the
Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services for an additional 0 million, but
would be conditioned on a number of future events. Any formal agreement must
be authorized by appropriate Department officials in consultation with the
affected agencies.
When added to the prior civil and criminal settlements
reached in 2000, this settlement would bring the government's total recoveries
from HCA to approximately .7 billion.
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2002/December/02_civ_731.htmFROM THE LOS ANGELES TIMES:
". . . Columbia has been vilified by doctors, labor unions, consumer groups
and state attorneys general who contend that these for-profit health
care conglomerates are placing profits ahead of quality medical care.
They also complain that Columbia has reduced charitable and community
services--traditional roles of nonprofit hospitals--after it has
acquired them.
Already, several states have moved to slow the
rush toward for-profit hospitals. Health care analysts say the Columbia
scandals will accelerate a reassessment of the free-market approach to
medicine.
http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/26/news/mn-16535
HEALTHBEATBLOG.COM - WHO IS RICHARD SCOTT?
http://www.healthbeatblog.com/2009/03/who-is-richard-scott-and-why-is-he-saying-these-things-about-healthcare-reform.html
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