It seems to me that one of your meds can have some pretty horrific side effects Maz.
And I didnt check the others but imagine the scenario would be similar.
I have not needed MTX so far, and hope that continues but I will certainly take it if prescribed. Thats not to say I wouldn't try AP therapy if all else failed...I most certainly would.
Lyn
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I agree LyndeeNZ,
All medications have side effects it just depends on which meds you need at the time!, but to suggest I shouldn't be concerned about mtx or that I have somehow insulted the people on this forum is ludicrous.
Glad you haven't needed mtx so far, and happy to hear you would try AP if all else failed, I am just the other way around - if all else failed with me, I would then try traditional medications.... as I said in another post it depends on your own circumstances as to what treatment path is open to you and which is not.
Maz-aust2009-08-03 21:42:27
[QUOTE=Maz-aust]Funny isn't it ---
What you said was "I would think that the possibility of these side effects would
make anyone question the value of taking such a drug if they in fact
had an alternative ??? "
and yes, that sounds awfully negative, and also seems to imply that those taking methotrexate are perhaps not so bright.
On the other hand, the same logic could be applied to any treatment, including antibiotics for RA.
[QUOTE=Maz-aust]What you said was "I would think that the possibility of these side effects would
make anyone question the value of taking such a drug if they in fact
had an alternative ??? [/quote]
[QUOTE=JasmineRain]and yes, that sounds awfully negative, and also seems to imply that those taking methotrexate are perhaps not so bright. [/quote]
I agree, Jas. The question certainly struck me as casting doubt on the intelligence of those who take MTX. Whether or not it was meant that way. It seems apparent that the majority of those who responded are well-versed in the possible side-effects and had calculated the risk-benefit ration. Additionally, it appears that at least in a couple of circumstances
alternatives were tried and failed.
[quote]On the other hand, the same logic could be applied to any treatment, including antibiotics for RA. [/QUOTE] I'm a little confused here....... Why is posting the side effects of methotrexate more inflammatory than posting the side effects of antibiotics? I, for one, have had bad side effects with both.
I didn't take any offense to what maz said. Of course she feels she chose the best treatment option. If she didn't think it was best, she would have chosen differently.
Everyone has reasons behind the choices they make. I thought Maz was simply telling us hers. The possible side effects of mtx seem too risky to her. For those of us taking traditional meds, the damage to our bodies from this disease seems more certain than suffering the more harmful mtx side effects. I think she's taking a big chance. She thinks I'm taking a big chance. Time will tell, but let's hope we all come out ok.
I didn't take any offence to Maz's post either. The reason I posted my experience with mtx was for anyone new to RA to see that mtx can work very well with minimal side effects. I know how afraid I was to take mtx and it would have been nice to see what experiences others had had when I started out.
[QUOTE=panda]I'm a little confused here....... Why is posting the side effects of methotrexate more inflammatory than posting the side effects of antibiotics? I, for one, have had bad side effects with both. [/QUOTE]
Maz's opening line was the issue not the actual information. Maz was implying that no intelligent person would take MTX once they were aware of the side effects. SHe discounts the fact that most of us have done our homework and have weighed the risks and benefits of our medications vs the risks of the disease and made informed descions. At least that was my personal interpertation of her post. If that wasn't her intent then perhaps she will explain her opening line in less offensive terms I know people who had severe nausea with MTX and stopped for that reason. That was what was very unacceptable to me.
Let me repeat...never had any significant side effects from MTX Neither has my sister-in-law who has taken it for over 15 years for RA....
ps...Jan Lucinda, did you actually use MTX and have nausea from it?
ooh this is a loooong thread...
i just wanna say somethin too.. so here i go...
ive been takin mtx and havent had any TERRIBLE side effects, altho my mom was pretty worried when she had read about the side effects at first, back in May.
but all i get is a lil sickish the day i take it, and the day after. nothin TERRIBLE.
yay, i added something to the discussion, wah.
[QUOTE=buckeye][QUOTE=panda]I'm a little confused here....... Why is posting the side effects of methotrexate more inflammatory than posting the side effects of antibiotics? I, for one, have had bad side effects with both. [/QUOTE]
Maz's opening line was the issue not the actual information. Maz was implying that no intelligent person would take MTX once they were aware of the side effects. SHe discounts the fact that most of us have done our homework and have weighed the risks and benefits of our medications vs the risks of the disease and made informed descions. At least that was my personal interpertation of her post. If that wasn't her intent then perhaps she will explain her opening line in less offensive terms [/QUOTE]
exactly...
and that is insulting to our intelligence.. as I stated.
i have something relevant to say this time...
since we're talkin about mtx, i just wanted to say
TOMMOROW is my mtx day
now, babs, how many glasses of water should i drink? one with the pill
and a few every once in a while? i'll try for 5 glasses tommorow, like i did today. maybe
Star the best way to know if you have drunk enough water is to check out the color of your pee...if it is clear or very very pale yellow you are hydrated..the darker the color the more concentrated (lacking in water content) the urine.ok im NOT hydrated then
and i must never be
only on rare occasions is my pee clear or light yellow
its usually really dark, my parents get mad, and say i dont drink enough water
i guess, i should start drinking water, maybe i get headaches from not being hydrated well enough. if thats even possible...
oh yeah headaches from dehydration are very possible...water is your friend....we (star andI) just had a long PM session about water.......... and eating..... ;)then either my headache is from:
1. dehydration
2. side effect of prednisone or mtx
3. eatin chocolate (sometimes it does happen)
4. sitting in an odd position on my bed while using this laptop (my mom sayd it could)
5. being tired
i could have a headache for alot of reasons, but im guessin dehydration MIGHT be a likely one
[QUOTE=buckeye][QUOTE=panda]I'm a little confused here....... Why is posting the side effects of methotrexate more inflammatory than posting the side effects of antibiotics? I, for one, have had bad side effects with both. [/QUOTE]
To Panda, Linncn & Kelstev,
Thank you.
My post was never intended to be inflammatory or demeaning to anyone.
During the course of our lives we all have to make decisions, sometimes when you have a disease such as RA you (the patient) don't have a choice. I understand that. The traditional medications were offered to me as well as being offered an alternative, I simply chose the alternative. If my circumstances change I may have to re-evaluate that decision. I also hope that we all come through this ok.
I am not a stranger to having to make, what is for me, difficult decisions. An example of that is when I had a staph infection (of unknown origin). To attempt to keep it at bay so it didn't spread I had to agree to a picline which was pumping max strength antibiotics into my heart 24/7 for a period of 4 mths, I chose the picline. The side effect of that decision is that I now have PRA.
I will always be concerned about the medications we take and the affect of long term use, to do otherwise for me would be unconscionable.
Maz-aust2009-08-04 17:27:18[QUOTE=Maz-aust]
I am not a stranger to having to make what is for me difficult decisions. An example of that is when I had a staph infection (of unknown origin) - to attempt to keep it at bay so it didn't spread I had to agree to a picline which for me was pumping max strength antibiotics into my heart 24/7 for a period of 4 mths, it was that or possibly lose my foot, I chose the picline. The side effect of that decision is that I now have PRA.
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you were told that?
(is it a PICC line)
babs102009-08-04 17:23:53Yes Babs --- I was told that !! The Rheumatologists at the hospital told me that, they believe the antibiotics srewed my system.
Yes, sorry couldn't spell PICC line (thanks for letting me know how to spell it)
Edited to put this bit in:
Must say though, had someone told me a possible side effect would be that the abx would screw with my immune system I probably wouldn't have known what that meant. Would I have still made the same decison, I think so!
Maz-aust2009-08-04 17:36:46ok.. so mega dosing of antibiotics caused PRA... and you're treating the disease you have with antibiotics?
Im having a tough time following the logic here..... help me
[QUOTE=babs10]ok.. so mega dosing of antibiotics caused PRA... and you're treating the disease you have with antibiotics?
Im having a tough time following the logic here..... help me
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There isn't any logic Babs. I was clutching at straws to find something to take away the excruciating agony of PRA, nothing worked. I had people telling me you have PRA, we don't know what causes it, but, in your case we believe it was caused by the use of long term abx, the abx screwed with your immune system; we believe that was the catalyst to your current health problems. Were they right in their assumption, I have no idea. What I do know is they said we don't know how to treat PRA, but in the meantime please take plaq, mtx & these other drugs, we think it may stop you getting RA in the future.
If you are talking logic, could someone please explain that to me.
Until recently I was diagnosed by 3 rheumies as having PRA, they were very specific in saying it is not RA. Why then should I take medication given to patients to treat RA, I don't understand that.
Maz-aust2009-08-04 18:05:44Maz....many, if not most, of the meds for RA are used to treat other AI diseases. Bottom line is, we also use an anti malarial drug and one used to treat Leukamia so if they work...who cares what they were originally intended for.
[QUOTE=LyndeeNZ]Maz....many, if not most, of the meds for RA are used to treat other AI diseases. Bottom line is, we also use an anti malarial drug and one used to treat Leukamia so if they work...who cares what they were originally intended for. [QUOTE=Maz-aust][QUOTE=babs10]ok.. so mega dosing of antibiotics caused PRA... and you're treating the disease you have with antibiotics?
Im having a tough time following the logic here..... help me
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There isn't any logic Babs. I was clutching at straws to find something to take away the excruciating agony of PRA, nothing worked. I had people telling me you have PRA, we don't know what causes it, but, in your case we believe it was caused by the use of long term abx, the abx screwed with your immune system; we believe that was the catalyst to your current health problems. Were they right in their assumption, I have no idea. What I do know is they said we don't know how to treat PRA, but in the meantime please take plaq, mtx & these other drugs, we think it may stop you getting RA in the future.
If you are talking logic, could someone please explain that to me.
Until recently I was diagnosed by 3 rheumies as having PRA, they were very specific in saying it is not RA. Why then should I take medication given to patients to treat RA, I don't understand that.
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I can't..
this entire thread is nonsensical to me.
I'm completely confuddled.
Maz,
I'm not trying to pick at little things, but a PICC line doesn't go INTO the heart. It goes near the heart, but not into the heart. There is a difference.
Phats
[QUOTE=Maz-aust]To Panda, Linncn & Kelstev,
Thank you.
My post was never intended to be inflammatory or demeaning to anyone.
During the course of our lives we all have to make decisions, sometimes when you have a disease such as RA you (the patient) don't have a choice. I understand that. The traditional medications were offered to me as well as being offered an alternative, I simply chose the alternative. If my circumstances change I may have to re-evaluate that decision. I also hope that we all come through this ok.
I am not a stranger to having to make, what is for me, difficult decisions. An example of that is when I had a staph infection (of unknown origin). To attempt to keep it at bay so it didn't spread I had to agree to a picline which was pumping max strength antibiotics into my heart 24/7 for a period of 4 mths, I chose the picline. The side effect of that decision is that I now have PRA.
I will always be concerned about the medications we take and the affect of long term use, to do otherwise for me would be unconscionable.
[/QUOTE] And please Maz-Aust,
Which ra drugs destroy the immune system? That's what you've said before.
LEV
[START MAZ-AUST QUOTE] The majority of doctors seem to want to treat the symptoms of PRA the same as if you had RA with the same drugs; but at the same time they say to me 'we don't know how you get PRA so we don't know how to treat it' - strange thing to say I think ... For me I am treating mine with AP therapy (see my signature line for what I am on) and although it is a long hard haul it seems to be working for me. I have my life back, I have resumed full time work etc etc. I just didn't want to take any drugs that were going to destroy my immune system and possibly my liver and kidneys as well, plus most of them will eventually stop working and you have to go on to something else. [END MAZ-AUST QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LyndeeNZ]Maz....many, if not most, of the meds for RA are used to treat other AI diseases. Bottom line is, we also use an anti malarial drug and one used to treat Leukamia so if they work...who cares what they were originally intended for. [/QUOTE]
AGREED, BUT WE WERE DISCUSSING LOGIC!
Is it logical, I don't think so...
Do we do things like that all the time, the most likely answer is yes we do...
As to whether something should be taken or done is not my call, but if it works ok with me!
In my case however taking traditional drugs used for RA was not suggested to help my current condition, they were being suggested to help me stop getting RA in the future as preventative medications ... I didn't know there were any 'preventative medications' you could take to perhaps stop you getting RA ???
u ppl r REALLY upset/mad about Maz-Aust
at least thats what i made out, after reading some of this thread
it sure is LOOOONG
so does that mean she hates mtx? and she thinks its a very icky bad drug? right? thats what i figure... maybe im wrong tho, wah
edited to say: oopsie, i didnt see her latest post. cuz it wasnt there when i was writing this one, so SORRY Maz-Aust, if i was sorta rude to u.
i didnt mean it, im just tryin to get in on the conversation, its late at night and theres not much to do right now...
anyways Sorrie, im gonna leave the post tho, just so i remember it...
StarPerson1212009-08-04 19:08:55
[QUOTE=Maz-aust][QUOTE=LyndeeNZ]Maz....many, if not most, of the meds for RA are used to treat other AI diseases. Bottom line is, we also use an anti malarial drug and one used to treat Leukamia so if they work...who cares what they were originally intended for. [/QUOTE]
No Star,
I don't hate mtx, I am just really wary of it.
Yes some of these people are upset/mad at me, but I can't help that.
Seems to me you hit the nail right on the head Star, thanks....
[QUOTE=StarPerson121]
edited to say: oopsie, i didnt see her latest post. cuz it wasnt there when i was writing this one, so SORRY Maz-Aust, if i was sorta rude to u.
i didnt mean it, im just tryin to get in on the conversation, its late at night and theres not much to do right now...
anyways Sorrie, im gonna leave the post tho, just so i remember it...
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It's OK Star, I didn't take your post as rude and don't think it was 'sorta rude' either.
You have a nice night....
u too, Maz-Aust
or since ur in Australia, maybe its have a nice day
anyways, ur super awesome and nice
so thanks for not being mad or nothin
ur awesome!!!
Your welcome Star ...
Yes it's 'have a great day!'
It is day here & we are in winter here so maybe you could send me over some sunshine!
How could I be mad at you, you haven't done anything ....
Cheers,
Maz
ps - sweet dreams
Maz-aust2009-08-04 19:26:35Just so you know Maz.....Im not mad/upset with you either! Just a wee bit perplexed is all.
ooh winter well does that mean its super cold too?
wow, that'd sure feel weird to me, cold in august yikes... lol
anyways, Goodnight/ GoodMorning, for EVERYONE here. hope whatever u ppl r doing is awesome and fun, and MOST importantly, PAIN FREE!!!
im going to bed, so bye ppl!!
[QUOTE=LyndeeNZ]Just so you know Maz.....Im not mad/upset with you either! Just a wee bit perplexed is all.
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It's OK Lyndee,
I didn't think you were - (doesn't take rocket science to work it out though..lol)
Phats,
Sorry if I got it wrong, I was actually told the PICC line would be to the heart, I just believed that was the case ....
Bye Star ,,,
[QUOTE=StarPerson121]u ppl r REALLY upset/mad about Maz-Aust
[QUOTE=StarPerson121]
Good grief - Spelunker are you for real !!!
If you believe his signature line, and I have no reason not to, this is a young teenager. Strangely enough teenagers sometimes get it right and other times get it wrong. However, I don't believe he needs a lecture from you or any of us (so called adults).
No mirrors at your place?
Have you forgotten how you were as a young teen?
How can you take on a 14 yr old boy and feel good about yourself ?
Maz,
ps - JR got it right, explaining the difference between disagreeing with someone and being upset or mad ... in a nice way.
Maz, I am truly not interested in having you scold me as if I too am 14. As you say, StarPerson is a 14 year old and if he is going to make judgments then he can expect to be called in them. If that is a lecture, then yes I am going to do so.
You bet I remember being 14 and I certainly would have been more than lectured for making judgments about my elders.
Taking him on...no, I was not taking him on whatever you may think. Frankly, it is my considered opinion that Star may not be the only one who is in need of a zealous
in parentis loci.
Oh Spelunker - sweet talking will get you nowhere with me, or I'm guessing with anyone else either ...
Congratulations - you really are showing your true colours now aren't you!!
Over here in Oz children have laws to protect them from over zealous strangers and, parents don't look too kindly to others chastising their children. Must be different over there, how fortunate for you.
Come to think about it, you seem to spend a great deal of time scolding people you don't know on a website, have you ever thought of getting a professional to analyse why you do that ... do you think you actually have power over someone on a website ?? Wouldn't think so.
Remember, power is given not taken!!
Maz-aust2009-08-04 22:29:18I too believe that you were out of line Shug, this is a 14 year old boy and he will read the first two lines of your post and say blah blah blah blah as we all did when we were 14 and adults preached to us.
He wasnt making assumptions about anything he was stating what this thread is, people disagreeing and seeming to be angry with each other. Also the reason he may be up late is the reason many of us are here during the night, because we are in pain, have you ever thought of that?
I personally think Star should have more parental supervision and should be on a JRA board talking about arthritis with other kids his own age but that is for his parents to decide and it also is for his parents to decide whether or not to lecture him, not yours. I am 44 years old and honestly I stop reading your posts after 2 or 3 lines, just a lot of words with nothing really being said! IMHO!
I agree with Shug. If Star is going to play with the big boys, he needs to be accountable for his posts. I still believe that he needs to be on another board with people his own age.
Phats
[QUOTE=Maz-aust]Oh Spelunker - sweet talking will get you nowhere with me, or I'm guessing with anyone else either ...
Congratulations - you really are showing your true colours now aren't you!!
Over here in Oz children have laws to protect them from over zealous strangers and, parents don't look too kindly to others chastising their children. Must be different over there, how fortunate for you.
Come to think about it, you seem to spend a great deal of time scolding people you don't know on a website, have you ever thought of getting a professional to analyse why you do that ... do you think you actually have power over someone on a website ?? Wouldn't think so.
Remember, power is given not taken!!
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you are SO off base on this Maz...... if YOU only knew what SHugs profession was.. You would hide your embarrassed head in shame....
what a fool you've made yourself out to be to those of us who KNOW who Shug is.
How many 14 year olds have you raised, Maz?
I'm on my FIFTH... and yes, if he's to become a productive member of society.. he should be told when he steps out of line..... otherwise.. he may grow to be an adult who insults people without thinking before posting.
NOT To mention.. she is the most supportive person on this site...
damn.
babs102009-08-05 06:17:50Judged, found lacking and out of line. OK, I accept that.
We are each viewing this latest much ado from our own mindset, through our own points of view, and from various perspectives. I accept that to.
I am, I freely admit, less tolerant than most. If that is a fault, I accept that to.
Now, my sins have been writ in text, and published. I accept that as well.
My faults and foibles are what they are. At my age they may well be cast in stone. I accept that to.
I am, without the shadow of a doubt that old wrinkly meanie discussed elsewhere. I accept that.
hmmmm, r u ppl mad at me?
can i apologize?
maybe...
well ANYWAYS since this post was origanally about mtx
i wanna say:
i took it this morning and my mom wouldnt give me nothin to eat
except for cottage cheese, wah. (babs had sayd in PM, to eat with it)
so then i went back to sleep until 10 this morning.
last night, my right hand hurt so bad, i could barely write "right" in my diet diary type book.
but now it doesnt hurt at all. so thats nice. bad thing is, im sure im gonna feel sickish later.
so, before that happens, im gonna make a new youtube video, i musnt keep my "ppl" waiting. i got 250 subscribers now on utube. thats ALOT for a "average" kid, my friend who has the most, but less than me. she only has 55 subscribers, she had her account since december 2007, ive had mine since february 2009. so, its video time. which, i'll post a link later, for anyone interested...
have an awesome day ppl
[QUOTE=Spelunker]Judged, found lacking and out of line. OK, I accept that.
We are each viewing this latest much ado from our own mindset, through our own points of view, and from various perspectives. I accept that to.
I am, I freely admit, less tolerant than most. If that is a fault, I accept that to.
Now, my sins have been writ in text, and published. I accept that as well.
My faults and foibles are what they are. At my age they may well be cast in stone. I accept that to.
I am, without the shadow of a doubt that old wrinkly meanie discussed elsewhere. I accept that.
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JUDGED?
Who here is so perfect as to judge another.??
We were questioning motivation and discussing a medication..
Let the perfect person come forth and judge another........
[QUOTE=Maz-aust]Oh Spelunker - sweet talking will get you nowhere with me, or I'm guessing with anyone else either ...
[QUOTE=Dalmatinka]I too believe that you were out of line Shug, this is a 14 year old boy and he will read the first two lines of your post and say blah blah blah blah as we all did when we were 14 and adults preached to us.
He wasnt making assumptions about anything he was stating what this thread is, people disagreeing and seeming to be angry with each other. Also the reason he may be up late is the reason many of us are here during the night, because we are in pain, have you ever thought of that?
I personally think Star should have more parental supervision and should be on a JRA board talking about arthritis with other kids his own age but that is for his parents to decide and it also is for his parents to decide whether or not to lecture him, not yours. I am 44 years old and honestly I stop reading your posts after 2 or 3 lines, just a lot of words with nothing really being said! IMHO!
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Thankyou Maria ...
Someone has to stand up for Star and you did ... good for you !!
[QUOTE=JasmineRain] [QUOTE=Maz-aust]Oh Spelunker - sweet talking will get you nowhere with me, or I'm guessing with anyone else either ...
Congratulations - you really are showing your true colours now aren't you!!
Over here in Oz children have laws to protect them from over zealous strangers and, parents don't look too kindly to others chastising their children. Must be different over there, how fortunate for you.
Come to think about it, you seem to spend a great deal of time scolding people you don't know on a website, have you ever thought of getting a professional to analyse why you do that ... do you think you actually have power over someone on a website ?? Wouldn't think so.
Remember, power is given not taken!!
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Are you saying it's illegal in Australia to disagree with someone on the internet, if that person claims to be a minor? Spelunker did nothing illegal - at least not here in the USA!
If he shouldn't be interacting with strangers, that's for his parents to police. Personally, I don't think a 14-year old should be set loose upon the internet, posting videos of himself and his friends/siblings/whatever.
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Babs,
I don't care what profession Shug has/had - it really is irrelevant !! Oh you mean 'preacher or some kind of minister' dear me did I forget to mention I had heard that somewhere, does it make a difference when Shug is out of line - NO!!
You on the other hand don't know what I do.
Suggesting I would 'hang my head in shame' is just silly . . . as my grandmother told me 'remember no-one is better than you, they may be equal to you, but not better than you'.
In answer to your question I have raised 7 children; what possible relevance is that in this whole debate, or are you saying that if someone doesn't have children they no right to remark about children or their upbringing?
This is just yet another one of those times when a post gets twisted and turned into something it wasn't ... some of you just amaze me.
Star, is able to post and interact with whatever website he and his parents allow him to, what we think is irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Maz-aust]Babs,
IStar, is able to post and interact with whatever website he and his parents allow him to, what we think is irrelevant.
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Yes, he is...And everyone is most certainly entitled to post their own opinions...especially on message boards
i thought, this was origanally about mtx, NOT about what a teenager (me) does online. lets go back to discussing mtx.
oh and i feel like askin, how was everyone's day today?
mine was nice, took mtx, i still hurt a lil, but im sure i'll feel better by friday and then im gonna have FUN this weekend, yay!!
i hope my blood sugar is good tonight, i ate a lil bit much...
but ive been keeping my blood sugar good for a loong time now.
so, im sure im ok. i hope so.
anyways, thnx for being nice to me, Maz-Aust
like i sayd last night, UR AWESOME.
Morning Star,
It's only 9.50am here right now and I am having a break. It's bright sunshine and about 15degC, storms coming in though with winds expected right off the Southern Ocean (so for us that will be what we call cold...lol)
I am glad you are going to have some fun this weekend ,,, me too.
You have a good day,
Maz
well, night for me lol
but, have a good day, so what u eat for breakfast?
i had eggs, cereal and a blueberry muffin, yummy
lol
im going to the movies this weekend
and its gonna be awesome
i hope i win more stuffed animals,
theyre awesome
she's not a minister ......
and you are no better than anyone else here Maz....
ANd I believe you raised 7 children like I believe that little puppy you posted was yours....
this post is exactly what you intended...
YOU came here to break the peace by condescendingly questioning the intelligence of our selections of meds.... you fool no one.... except the 14 year old
Wasn't this between Maz and Shug....not you? It is always the same old B.S. Anything to put someone else down.[QUOTE=babs10]
she's not a minister ......
and you are no better than anyone else here Maz....
ANd I believe you raised 7 children like I believe that little puppy you posted was yours....
this post is exactly what you intended...
YOU came here to break the peace by condescendingly questioning the intelligence of our selections of meds.... you fool no one.... except the 14 year old
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BABBLES, I SWEAR YOU ARE GETTING MORE LIKE LISA0 EACH AND EVERY DAY! Babs you should seriously have a good look at yourself --- who died and put you in charge?
If you really believe you have some power on a website you don't even understand what power is!
Condescending is your bag Babs ... you are always condescending, perhaps you should read your own posts !
I do believe I said 'no-one is any better than anyone else, they might be as good, but never better' !!
I stand by what I said --- NO-ONE has the right to chastise a child 'on a public forum', that's called bullying !!
Yes you can disagree, with him and anyone else you choose to disagree with, and yes you can debate adult to adult but chastise a child for something he supposedly did to you on a chatroom !! Please .....
Shug was out of line and I said so !!
I know who should hang their head in shame !!
Maz-aust2009-08-05 18:06:48[QUOTE=Maz-aust]
If you really believe you have some power on a website you don't even understand what power is!
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Just a little FYI.....You might try taking your own advice This is ridiculous. Someone says.....Wow. You know the possible side effects and you still take it? Sounds way to risky to me......
Instead of answering...Yeah, I know the side effects but to me, bla bla bla........ The response is.....What? You're saying I'm stupid?..........
And then, THEN, this person is accused of having some sinister plan AND (it gets better) lying about how many kids she has! The absurdity of this amazes me.
It makes me wonder when y'all are giving Maz a "friendly warning" about the risk she's taking with AP, deep down you're really thinking what an idiot she is. Count me with the 14 year old. Her opening line was not insulting. Or maybe I'm just not smart enough to see her wickedness.
[QUOTE=Linncn]This is ridiculous. Someone says.....Wow. You know the possible side effects and you still take it? Sounds way to risky to me......
Instead of answering...Yeah, I know the side effects but to me, bla bla bla........ The response is.....What? You're saying I'm stupid?..........
And then, THEN, this person is accused of having some sinister plan AND (it gets better) lying about how many kids she has! The absurdity of this amazes me.
It makes me wonder when y'all are giving Maz a "friendly warning" about the risk she's taking with AP, deep down you're really thinking what an idiot she is. Count me with the 14 year old. Her opening line was not insulting. Or maybe I'm just not smart enough to see her wickedness.
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I cannot control how someone receives things not directed toward or for them..
Teed and linncn...... if you've been offended.. I apologize.
[QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=Linncn]This is ridiculous. Someone says.....Wow. You know the possible side effects and you still take it? Sounds way to risky to me......
Instead of answering...Yeah, I know the side effects but to me, bla bla bla........ The response is.....What? You're saying I'm stupid?..........
And then, THEN, this person is accused of having some sinister plan AND (it gets better) lying about how many kids she has! The absurdity of this amazes me.
It makes me wonder when y'all are giving Maz a "friendly warning" about the risk she's taking with AP, deep down you're really thinking what an idiot she is. Count me with the 14 year old. Her opening line was not insulting. Or maybe I'm just not smart enough to see her wickedness.
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It makes me wonder when y'all are giving Maz a "friendly warning" about the risk she's taking with AP, deep down you're really thinking what an idiot she is.[/QUOTE]
Speaking for myself, generally when I think someone is an idiot...I just tell them
i was gone for a lil over an hour and ALL of this happened, wow. i was suprised that so many ppl posted, and it was a little weird... reading what some ppl sayd.
Spelunker, u dont need to apologize. maybe i was wrong in what i sayd. altho, when i sayd that i wasnt directly talking to U. saying u were mad/upset at Maz-Aust. i was talking, in g