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12 Dead and 31 wounded at Fort Hood.
My thoughts to those that have been affected by this tragedy and the American peoples in general.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/seven-killed-in-army-base-shooting-at-fort-hood-military-base-in-texas/story-e6frf7jo-1225794894398
Bodak2009-11-05 14:22:36The numbers have gone up since I last heard. Yes, a tragedy.http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ft-hood-death-toll-up-to-12-shooter-was-soldier-2009-11-05

Words fail.

horrific. :(

Now I hear he is alive and will most likely survive. How can this happen?

This is such a tragedy...I am at a loss for words...

Just another nice Muslim man....Nidal Malik Hasan is the shooter. More to followIt is just horrible. And surprising-military bases are some of the safest places you can be. Even as young kids, we were allowed freedom to run about. It just proves that nowhere is truly safe.

Pray for all those involved....

Just heart breaking.

[QUOTE=6t5frlane] Just another nice Muslim man....Nidal Malik Hasan is the shooter. More to follow[/QUOTE]

This does not surprise me coming from you. Just another nice Muslim man? There are many not so nice Chritian people out there 6t5. Don't stereotype these people.Absolutely a tragedy. It is so hard to believe someone who has taken whatever oaths they must take to serve in the military and someone who has had such advanced medical/psychiatric training and experience would do such a terrible thing. I am glad he is alive. Perhaps one day we will learn more about what brought this about. My prayers to all those touched by this tragedy.

I agree it is a tragedy...and I also am glad he survived. I am hoping to find out the truth behind his terrorist killing spree. I am not buying “Post War Traumatic Stress Disorder", he was never deployed. I am not buying his “fear of being deployed“. He spent to much time in the army already and everyone knows they will be deployed at some point. I am not buying the fact that he was “a lonely man,” the army is not a lonely place.

I am interested to know the truth to the madness he displayed that caused so many people to lose their lives and the pain it has caused loved ones and family members Heart felt sympathy echo’s across this Great Country. This will in fact hurt the Islamic community.

I however am viewing this currently not as a Muslim problem but as a soldier in the army problem...First and foremost he is an American Soldier...his motives are not known at this time. But , somewhere this soldier lost his way and so many are suffering ...it is a tragedy

Breaking......Looks like he may have been on the Obama " Transition Team " for Homeland security....[QUOTE=lorster] [QUOTE=6t5frlane] Just another nice Muslim man....Nidal Malik Hasan is the shooter. More to follow[/QUOTE]

This does not surprise me coming from you. Just another nice Muslim man? There are many not so nice Chritian people out there 6t5. Don't stereotype these people.[/QUOTE]

And this does not surprise us coming from you. He was passing out the Koran the day before the shooting.

6t5,

Anything against christianity is a-okay in Lorsters book. Al-Qaeda, Shia law, radical islam, Jihad. How many times have we listened to Lorster rail against christianity and christians, the cause of all the worlds woes, according to Lorster. Maybe this is a wake up call to the Obama administration. Not just to be aware of Muslims in the armed forces but also in the whole United States. Maybe the Obama admin will now start giving the same amount of attention to American haters as they do to those that they see as Obama haters.

LEV

Well Lev, once again, you have outdone yourself, twisting my words to make me look evil. I do not care what you believe, I could care less, it is your business. What irritates me is that a good christian man can walk into a church, open fire on an abortion doctor...and it is all good because what he did was right according to Christian beliefs. But, a Muslim man walks into a building and opens fire, and it is automatically a terrorist act. What this man did was reprehensible, he planned it and even did away with some of his belongings prior to the act. It does not matter who commits these acts, they are wrong and these people should be put away for life. Do not go and twist my words and make it seem like I think that Christians are bad, and Muslims are good. People are people no matter what religion they happen to believe in. The sad thing in all of this is that many of these violent acts are due to peoples religious beliefs and a general intolerance towards others of different religions and beliefs. [QUOTE=levlarry] 6t5,

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This muslim man was an American Lev. This whole post was filled with HATE![QUOTE=lorster]Well Lev, once again, you have outdone yourself, twisting my words to make me look evil. I do not care what you believe, I could care less, it is your business. What irritates me is that a good christian man can walk into a church, open fire on an abortion doctor...and it is all good because what he did was right according to Christian beliefs. But, a Muslim man walks into a building and opens fire, and it is automatically a terrorist act. What this man did was reprehensible, he planned it and even did away with some of his belongings prior to the act. It does not matter who commits these acts, they are wrong and these people should be put away for life. Do not go and twist my words and make it seem like I think that Christians are bad, and Muslims are good. People are people no matter what religion they happen to believe in. The sad thing in all of this is that many of these violent acts are due to peoples religious beliefs and a general intolerance towards others of different religions and beliefs.[/QUOTE]

Lorster,
I believe any person walking into a building and shooting people is automatically considered a terrorist.

Also, I am a Christian and I can assure you we do not believe it is "all good" for any person to open fire to terrorize and kill ...

Lisa

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#1inflamedOnline2009-11-09 20:04:58Lorster,

If I twisted your words to make you evil, you straightened them out to show that you are evil. I am around christians all the time and believe that i can honestly say that not one would advocate or condone the taking of anothers life, for the sake of murder. Of course as you stated, all crhistians jump for joy when a murder is committed. Eeeeew, the bad christians. Oh, and President Obama has told us to not to jump to conclusions and to wait for all the facts, you know, like he does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZYsW_PxWAM

An excerpt opinion piece from the WSJ
[quote]Dr. Phil and the Fort Hood Killer
His terrorist motive is obvious to everyone but the press and the Army brass.

By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ

It can by now come as no surprise that the Fort Hood massacre yielded an instant flow of exculpatory media meditations on the stresses that must have weighed on the killer who mowed down 13 Americans and wounded 29 others. Still, the intense drive to wrap this clear case in a fog of mystery is eminently worthy of notice.

The tide of pronouncements and ruminations pointing to every cause for this event other than the one obvious to everyone in the rational world continues apace. Commentators, reporters, psychologists and, indeed, army spokesmen continue to warn portentously, "We don't yet know the motive for the shootings."

What a puzzle this piece of vacuity must be to audiences hearing it, some, no doubt, with outrage. To those not terrorized by fear of offending Muslim sensitivities, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's motive was instantly clear: It was an act of terrorism by a man with a record of expressing virulent, anti-American, pro-jihadist sentiments. All were conspicuous signs of danger his Army superiors chose to ignore.

What is hard to ignore, now, is the growing derangement on all matters involving terrorism and Muslim sensitivities. Its chief symptoms: a palpitating fear of discomfiting facts and a willingness to discard those facts and embrace the richest possible variety of ludicrous theories as to the motives behind an act of Islamic terrorism. All this we have seen before but never in such naked form. The days following the Fort Hood rampage have told us more than we want to know, perhaps, about the depth and reach of this epidemic.[/quote]
I have some nice muslim friends, they are not terrorists, they are hard working decent people . What is also sad is that there were really 14 killed as one of the soldiers killed was pregnant. [QUOTE=Abazina]An excerpt opinion piece from the WSJ
[quote]Dr. Phil and the Fort Hood Killer
His terrorist motive is obvious to everyone but the press and the Army brass.

By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ

It can by now come as no surprise that the Fort Hood massacre yielded an instant flow of exculpatory media meditations on the stresses that must have weighed on the killer who mowed down 13 Americans and wounded 29 others. Still, the intense drive to wrap this clear case in a fog of mystery is eminently worthy of notice.

The tide of pronouncements and ruminations pointing to every cause for this event other than the one obvious to everyone in the rational world continues apace. Commentators, reporters, psychologists and, indeed, army spokesmen continue to warn portentously, "We don't yet know the motive for the shootings."

What a puzzle this piece of vacuity must be to audiences hearing it, some, no doubt, with outrage. To those not terrorized by fear of offending Muslim sensitivities, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's motive was instantly clear: It was an act of terrorism by a man with a record of expressing virulent, anti-American, pro-jihadist sentiments. All were conspicuous signs of danger his Army superiors chose to ignore.

What is hard to ignore, now, is the growing derangement on all matters involving terrorism and Muslim sensitivities. Its chief symptoms: a palpitating fear of discomfiting facts and a willingness to discard those facts and embrace the richest possible variety of ludicrous theories as to the motives behind an act of Islamic terrorism. All this we have seen before but never in such naked form. The days following the Fort Hood rampage have told us more than we want to know, perhaps, about the depth and reach of this epidemic.[/quote]
[/QUOTE]And that is the problem we face today and it is only going to get worse.
[QUOTE=Mrs Pincushion]I have some nice muslim friends, they are not terrorists, they are hard working decent people . [/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone believes all Muslim people are terrorist. That would be like saying all Mexicans are illegal’s. The problem is this soldier acted like a muslin terrorist. Really, it is not hard to see through it all. Very sad situation and a situation we can not turn a blind eye to and smooth over as anything but what it appears to be.

My son is has enlisted in the Army, he leaves for BCT Feb 3rd, I know he will be deployed one day, I want those soldiers and commanders to be looking out for him as he will for them. I am now more nervous for our soldiers than ever. Radical terrorist are hard to fight and they lay in wait and pop up to take out who they can. They are all cowards IMO. I am just getting very nervous for our country and as a mother very anxious for my son. He is young , bright , strong and has a sense of what is right and wrong. My prayer is that he goes in the service with his eyes WIDE open. This whole story has really got me bugged. Where there is one cockroach there are many more....they like to hide out openly...such as in a American Soldiers Uniform...Yes thats true, We have just had 5 soldiers returned home today, an afghan policeman decided to shoot at them while they thought he was on their side

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/11/04/afghanistan.uk.deaths/index.html

I am all for them pulling out of afghanistan, a senseless war, we would be better off using the money to protect our own borders and on intelligence at home

money is not the problem...terrorist are..

you simply can never entertain a terrorist...retreat at this point will not work...

I believe money is the problem....our soldiers are not equiped with the right gear or vehicles to be fighting in this war....Does your army not spend money on your military?...truly I don't know... [QUOTE=Bodak] And that is the problem we face today and it is only going to get worse.
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Precisely. As long as we, internationally, bow to the social tyranny and to the odious nature of political correctness, we will continue to be subjected to horrendous and devastating events such as took place at Fort Hood.

From a wholly personal perspective, I do not believe that anyone is suggesting that ALL Muslims are terrorists, but rather that some are terrorists. Just as a few members of each and every religious group ARE terrorists. I too have acquaintance who are Muslim who are outstanding members of society. However, my acquaintance does not excuse nor exonerate all Muslims. Similarly, there are Christians of every denomination who perpetrate acts of violence and mayhem on those whom they view in enmity: in the US those acts are often conjoined with race or procreative stances. No group is exempt from violence nor from terrorism. I do not condone acts of terror/terrorism from and group of people nor from any cultural/religious denomination. Nor do I relish being subjected to such terror/terrorism.
"My son is has enlisted in the Army, he leaves for BCT Feb 3rd, I know he will be deployed one day, I want those soldiers and commanders to be looking out for him as he will for them. "

I personally do not believe that Hasan is a terrorist with a jihad focus. I believe this situation is similar to Columbine:

1. people unsupervised by those in charge [parents, teachers, Army higher-ups],

2. those who saw signs but didn't do/say anything,

3. the shooter[s] had psychological problems, and

4. the shooter[s] had guns and used the weapons to try to gain some control.

Let me say that I am profoundly sorry for what happened and that Hasan is indeed responsible for the killings and injuries. But a terrorist he is not, based on the facts reported thus far.

What we have is a man who went into the Army before 9/11 so the government would pay for med school. Then, after 9/11 occurred he was ostracized for being a Muslim. He asked to be a conscientious objector but the Army wouldn't release him. Then, as soldiers returned to the US, they were short-staffed with psychiatrists. And what soldier would want Muslim psychiatrist if he just returned from fighting Muslims? [Ask someone who came back from the Korean War just how well he would have responded to a Korean psychiatrist.]

I think the Army dropped the ball - still that doesn't mean that Hasan is not to blame. He most certainly is. And those that ignored obvious signs should be demoted.

My belief is that until we do a MUCH better job providing physical and emotional rehabilitation for soldiers returning home, then perhaps we have no business sending them to Afghanistan.

The Army most certainly did drop the ball. With all his known connections to radical Islam and that Jihadist leader, how is it that they did nothing? This is what your politically correct America gets you. Unbelievable.[QUOTE=Linncn]The Army most certainly did drop the ball. With all his known connections to radical Islam and that Jihadist leader, how is it that they did nothing? This is what your politically correct America gets you. Unbelievable.[/QUOTE]

I agree

I just finished watching a report and apparently the FBI knew of his more than a dozen contacts with the terrorist leader and organizer but they didn't inform the military! From what I understood it's the FBI that didn't follow through and stated that he wasn't a threat, consequently no notification to the military. Lindy It also sounds like he was being deployed overseas and did not want to go. Sounds like he was a bit off his rocker also. [QUOTE=levlarry] Lorster,

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First Lev, quit twisting my words. I'm the one walking in peace protest because I'm against all violence, no matter where it originates. I want these wars stopped, NOW. Second Lev, do not use my name and Obamas name in the same post. I'm tired of that. He is our president, get over it already.His family claims he did not want to go...using this as an excuse???...really anyone in the United States Army knows they can and will be deployed...at least they made it very clear to my son...like I said...eyes wide open [QUOTE=lorster]It also sounds like he was being deployed overseas and did not want to go. Sounds like he was a bit off his rocker also.[/QUOTE]

Yep, sounds like it was a perfect storm.[/QUOTE]

Well put Bodak. Looks like being PC has infiltrated the Army as well. We all know there are some very loyal Muslims here in the USA. The problem is they do not make themselves known. Where is there outcry? All these radical anti American Muslim acts just keep adding up and like it or not the perception is that Muslims follow the Koran not any Government