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Sometimes I think I live in a parallel universe. 

 
It struck me last night that this is probably something that happens on a lot of boards, for a lot of reasons.  Mainly I think that because everyone is faceless, so some posters don't feel the need to be polite or kind.  In real life, in our daily lives, condemning someone's opinion simply because you don't share it is just rude, unnecessary and probably doesn't happen all that much.
 
One of the things that makes AI good place to debate, discuss and share is that everyone comes here  by choice. I don't know about everyone else, but I accept that discussions, debates and arguments will appear, and it's understood each person writes and reads by choice, each taking the risk of what might be said.
 
I don't believe there is anything wrong with disagreement, discussion and debate.  It's how some choose to express their displeasure at other's opinions that disturbs me. I think it would be wise to ask yourself from time to time if out in the real world, in your day-to-day lives, is this how your would respond to someone who disagrees with you.........



 
 
 
 




what i post is EXACTLY what i would say to that persons face and then some. i am a smartass, so i am told. well... i hardly ever disagree with people, but when i do... i do it in my own smartass way. what makes a good forum is when there is no Lunatic Lev on it. then we can all come out and partay and support one another. he's a real party pooper, always makes a big stink when everyone is enjoying themselves. he would join in on the fun, if there were heineken's involved.... i bet.[QUOTE=joonie]what makes a good forum is when there is no Lunatic Lev on it. then we can all come out and partay and support one another. he's a real party pooper, always makes a big stink when everyone is enjoying themselves. he would join in on the fun, if there were heineken's involved.... i bet.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
 
You made the choice to come back here and you made the choice to taunt Lev.  Only you have control over what you post and what you read here.......
 
You know that old saying don't you:
 
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
Starting to think that you " Joonie " are the problem here at times. Well put Lynn. Take a Chillax pill before you post maybe and to be frank most people don't like a smartass[QUOTE=6t5frlane]Starting to think that you " Joonie " are the problem here at times. Well put Lynn. Take a Chillax pill before you post maybe and to be frank most people don't like a smartass[/QUOTE]
 
agreed!!
 
grow up..
 
 
[QUOTE=joonie]what makes a good forum is when there is no Lunatic Lev on it. then we can all come out and partay and support one another. he's a real party pooper, always makes a big stink when everyone is enjoying themselves. he would join in on the fun, if there were heineken's involved.... i bet.[/QUOTE]
Lev is not responsible for your behavior...you are.   Act like an adult and you will be treated like one...its pretty simple when it all comes down.  Stop blaming others for what you do, say, or act you made the choice to act like a 3 year oldI think if everyone would simply treat all the others with the same dignity and respect they would treat their best clients, forums would be a thousand times better. There are ways to disagree without meanness and name-calling or rudeness.
 
Frankly, I find it boring to see the shouting and disparaging remarks.
Sam...that thought was repeated over and over again but nobody listens.  A good forum would have a moderator that lets people debate and post their beliefs but puts a stop to the personal attacks. TeedOff2010-02-05 12:59:23Well then, the only solution is to ignore, ignore, ignore rude posters.That has been tried also....doesn't work.
One of the things that makes AI good place to debate, discuss and share is that everyone comes here  by choice. I don't know about everyone else, but I accept that discussions, debates and arguments will appear, and it's understood each person writes and reads by choice, each taking the risk of what might be said.
 
I don't believe there is anything wrong with disagreement, discussion and debate.  It's how some choose to express their displeasure at other's opinions that disturbs me. I think it would be wise to ask yourself from time to time if out in the real world, in your day-to-day lives, is this how your would respond to someone who disagrees with you.........
Lynn492010-02-05 13:17:42
And yes, gays are a lot like me except, I don't stick my tongue, fingers and penis into a hole filled with human feces. I find that to be filthy and absolutely unhealthy and believe it or not, science and medical data back me up.
 
 
This is the kind of thing that turns my stomach and when this kind of thing is being professed along with the personal attacks that are way out of line I will continue to post my displeasure.
If someone spoke like that to me in public I would turn him in and let the authorities take care of him but since we are on an unmoderated forum we have nothing but words to fight back.
TeedOff2010-02-05 13:40:48[QUOTE=TeedOff]
And yes, gays are a lot like me except, I don't stick my tongue, fingers and penis into a hole filled with human feces. I find that to be filthy and absolutely unhealthy and believe it or not, science and medical data back me up.
 
 
This is the kind of thing that turns my stomach and when this kind of thing is being professed along with the personal attacks that are way out of line I will continue to post my displeasure.
If someone spoke like that to me in public I would turn him in and let the authorities take care of him but since we are on an unmoderated forum we have nothing but words to fight back.
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What lev said isn't nice, but it is an opinion....I don't know how things work where you live, but where I come from people aren't arrested for expressing an opinion...However rude and unpopular it may be.
OMG  I have seen it all now.  You can justify anything can't you?   What next???   And where I come from nobody would have the b***s to be that rude, narrow minded, crude and whatever else you can think of.   Besides, I do believe that is called homophobia...maybe even descrimination.TeedOff2010-02-05 14:33:40 [QUOTE=TeedOff]That has been tried also....doesn't work.[/QUOTE]

yeah... we see you trying.........  by the above posts..

nothing was started here........... til you had to bring in the lev attacks...

[QUOTE=TeedOff]OMG  I have seen it all now.  You can justify anything can't you?   What next???   And where I come from nobody would have the b***s to be that rude, narrow minded, crude and whatever else you can think of.   Besides, I do believe that is called homophobia...maybe even descrimination.[/QUOTE]

'homophobia' is not illegal
I thought you didn't want to speak to me Babs.  What happened???
 
I said I would continute to attack Lev and bring up his old posts that call people names and abusing them and only then will I stop.  Do you have short term memory loss?
[QUOTE=JasmineRain] [QUOTE=TeedOff]OMG  I have seen it all now.  You can justify anything can't you?   What next???   And where I come from nobody would have the b***s to be that rude, narrow minded, crude and whatever else you can think of.   Besides, I do believe that is called homophobia...maybe even descrimination.[/QUOTE]

'homophobia' is not illegal
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So you agree with what he does and says too???
[QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=JasmineRain] [QUOTE=TeedOff]OMG  I have seen it all now.  You can justify anything can't you?   What next???   And where I come from nobody would have the b***s to be that rude, narrow minded, crude and whatever else you can think of.   Besides, I do believe that is called homophobia...maybe even descrimination.[/QUOTE]

'homophobia' is not illegal
[/QUOTE] TeedOff,
 
Why do you use just snippets? Why take snippets out of context. Why not link to the whole story or discussion? What do you find to be so offensive? The word feces? The word finger? The word tongue? The word penis? Is it dirty? Is it vulgar? Is it filthy? It seems that you would find what I said to be just a way that two people show love for one another, something that you claim to be an advocate for, right? Well if you think that that is making love, why are you so offended. Oh, I know, it's because LL said it and it's your life work to attack LL and then go back to the birds nest and brag about your good works. You are a piece of work TeedOff, just not a good piece, and that's a shame, but the shames on you.
 
And I'm not homophobic. I believe what science and medicine says and that those "acts of love" are unhealthy, often deadly and very costly to our healthcare system.
 
LEV
Jasmine...it is not necesarilly his beliefs but the fact that he is so utterly without a consience to make a post like that....and there are many more.
 
 
[QUOTE=JasmineRain] Lev is a troll; as long as people keep engaging it, it will keep trolling.  It's best not to feed the trolls. [/QUOTE]
TeedOff2010-02-05 15:05:13Larry...take note.  I posted the page that your tirade came from...do you want me to go and post the whole thing?TeedOff,
 
If it will make you feel more sane, please, post away. I know that you feel that you are looking good on the advice of your fellow "crooked group" members but trust me TeedOff, you are looking more and more distant from reality. I would certainly suggest to your friends at this forum that they need to give you some "gentle" advice if they really care about you.
 
LEV
levlarry2010-02-05 15:05:05 [QUOTE=TeedOff]Jasmine...it is not necesarilly his beliefs but the fact that he is so utterly without a consience to make a post like that....and there are many more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=levlarry]TeedOff,
 
If it will make you feel more sane, please, post away. I know that you feel that you are looking good on the advice of your fellow "crooked group" members but trust me TeedOff, you are looking more and more distant from reality. I would certainly suggest to your friends at this forum that they need to give you some "gentle" advice if they really care about you.
 
LEV
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Believe me Lev...nobody is advising me on anything.  This is exactly how I feel.  I have been told by my "friends" on this board that you are not worth the time but until you realize what you have been doing to this site for the past 3 or 4 years I will keep posting your crap so hopefully everyone will either remember or see what you are about.
Thanks again Waddie for your compassion and clear thinking.  I unfortunately am blinded by the fact that year after year we have lost really, really great members.  Why?   Better still...why is he allowed to do this.   Freedom of speech or not, these are attacks on entirely unsuspecting ladies who did not deserve what he was dishing out.TeedOff2010-02-05 15:15:34TeedOff,
 
And I'm telling you. You may feel like you are showing what I am about when in fact, you are showing your idiocy, no offense. Sometimes you need to relize that your friends are seeng it from the outside and the inside and that they can actually see the whole picture rather that just what part of the picture you think you are showing.
 
LEV
levlarry2010-02-05 15:32:12[QUOTE=levlarry]TeedOff,
 
And I'm telling you. You may feel like you are showing what I am about when in fact, you are showing your ass, no offense. Sometimes you need to relize that your friends are seeng it from the outside and the inside and that they can actually see the whole picture rather that just what part of the picture you think you are showing.
 
LEV
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What makes a great forum....one that is without the likes of levlarry.
 
Believe you me, I haven't even started yet.  And again with your (freedom of speech) leave my ass out of this.
TeedOff2010-02-05 15:20:23Hey TeedOff,
 
There is a forum without LevLarry, it's the Praris forum.
 
LEV
[QUOTE=levlarry]Hey TeedOff,
 
There is a forum without LevLarry, it's the Praris forum.
 
LEV
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Yup...quiet, peaceful, supportive.  You know how to make me go away.
You know what I'm sick of?  People screaming "Homophobia" every time someone disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle.

Kweenb,

 
Better be careful. "They" will turn you in to the FBI, CIA, the Queen of England and George Michaels.
 
LEV
[QUOTE=kweenb]You know what I'm sick of?  People screaming "Homophobia" every time someone disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
 
 
So you are in agreement with lev about this too.  I feel so bad that he has such an influence over so many.
 
 
 
And yes, gays are a lot like me except, I don't stick my tongue, fingers and penis into a hole filled with human feces. I find that to be filthy and absolutely unhealthy and believe it or not, science and medical data back me up.
TeedOff2010-02-05 15:42:45TeedOff,
 
It was quite clear what she said. She didn't say she agreed whith me. What's wrong with you?
 
LEV
[QUOTE=levlarry]TeedOff, [QUOTE=TeedOff]Jasmine...it is not necesarilly his beliefs but the fact that he is so utterly without a consience to make a post like that....and there are many more. [QUOTE=levlarry]TeedOff,
 
It was quite clear what she said. She didn't say she agreed whith me. What's wrong with you?
 
LEV
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It was suppose to be a question for her, not you.  What's wrong with you?
[QUOTE=JasmineRain] [QUOTE=levlarry]TeedOff,
 
It was quite clear what she said. She didn't say she agreed whith me. What's wrong with you?
 
LEV
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Logic ain't her strong suit.
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What have I ever done to you Jasmine?  You have a dog in this fight I take it?  It was between and about lev not anybody else...you all injected yourselves into it.
I'm not sure TeedOff,
 
I felt somewhat responsible for you attacking Kweenb. I don't know why, I just did. And so I lashed out at you. I just feel sorry for those that you attack only because they don't swear they lifelong hate for me.
 
LEV
[QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=JasmineRain] [QUOTE=levlarry]TeedOff, [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=levlarry]I'm not sure TeedOff,
 
I felt somewhat responsible for you attacking Kweenb. I don't know why, I just did. And so I lashed out at you. I just feel sorry for those that you attack only because they don't swear they lifelong hate for me.
 
LEV
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There you go lev.  I asked Kweenb a question.  What about that was an attack.  Another imaginary attack.
It's Friday night, kids are kicked back playing video games, and I've got nothing better to do.  And I find it amusing when people act like Freedom of Speech doesn't apply to opinions they disagree with.
 
So saying Logic is not my strong suit Jasmine, is your idea of freedom of speech.
Oh boy.
[QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=JasmineRain] [QUOTE=TeedOff]OMG  I have seen it all now.  You can justify anything can't you?   What next???   And where I come from nobody would have the b***s to be that rude, narrow minded, crude and whatever else you can think of.   Besides, I do believe that is called homophobia...maybe even descrimination.[/QUOTE]

'homophobia' is not illegal
[/QUOTE] What is the logical leap that would cause one to pose such a question?
 
So you agree with what he does and says too???
[QUOTE=JasmineRain]What is the logical leap that would cause one to pose such a question? [/QUOTE]
 
I still want to know Jasmine...what have I ever done to you?
 [QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=JasmineRain]What is the logical leap that would cause one to pose such a question? [/QUOTE] I believe that everyone knows everyone elses opinions at this point. To come here just to badger and attack one person and try to get others to agree with you is a rediculus waste of everyones time. Just my opinion.
 
I think we all know the difference between freedom of speech and a group personal attack against one member. It is obvious who the trouble makers are. We all get along fine with Lev. I am not saying we always agree with him 100 percent on every issue. I do not agree 100 percent with anyone on every issue.
 
I do not like the thinking that if someone disagrees with you that you should attack them in this manner. It does effect the forum. Thier are issues about spamming. That would be continuesly trying to force your opinion down the throats of others. Freedom of speech is what this great country of America is all about. You are equally aloud to voice your opinion. The rest of us do not need to be told what conclusion to come to. We have brains and can come to our own conclusions with freedom. So I would appreciate it if the spamming would stop.
[QUOTE=milly]I believe that everyone knows everyone elses opinions at this point. To come here just to badger and attack one person and try to get others to agree with you is a rediculus waste of everyones time. Just my opinion.
 
I think we all know the difference between freedom of speech and a group personal attack against one member. It is obvious who the trouble makers are. We all get along fine with Lev. I am not saying we always agree with him 100 percent on every issue. I do not agree 100 percent with anyone on every issue.
 
I do not like the thinking that if someone disagrees with you that you should attack them in this manner. It does effect the forum. Thier are issues about spamming. That would be continuesly trying to force your opinion down the throats of others. Freedom of speech is what this great country of America is all about. You are equally aloud to voice your opinion. The rest of us do not need to be told what conclusion to come to. We have brains and can come to our own conclusions with freedom. So I would appreciate it if the spamming would stop.
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Millie...I have always had the utmost respect for you but I happen to disagree with you on this one.  If you notice, I have been the only one on here until a short time ago.  Do I disagree with the way lev has treated so many great ladies over a time span of 3 years...you bet I do.  Do I feel bad for all of those great ladies...you bet I do.  Did they contribute to this forum...you be they did.  Freedom of speech is not about badgering people who you think is weeker than you or differ from you until they cannot stand it and leave.
I did not come here to badger anyone, only to make you people open your eyes but then again, maybe I sould wait until he singles you out to attack.
Sorry Millie. TeedOff2010-02-05 17:10:26 [QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=milly]I believe that everyone knows everyone elses opinions at this point. To come here just to badger and attack one person and try to get others to agree with you is a rediculus waste of everyones time. Just my opinion. [/QUOTE] Do I disagree with the way lev has treated so many great ladies over a time span of 3 years...you bet I do.  Do I feel bad for all of those great ladies...you bet I do.  Did they contribute to this forum...you be they did.  Freedom of speech is not about badgering people who you think is weeker than you or differ from you until they cannot stand it and leave. maybe I sould wait until he singles you out to attack.
Lev doesn't have the power to make anyone leave....People come and go because they make that choice. 
He must have some power over these numnuts who just cant stop thinking about him.  LOL[QUOTE=mabus]He must have some power over these numnuts who just cant stop thinking about him.  LOL[/QUOTE]
 
True enough...They do seem quite fascinated with him If anyone wants "THE POWER", I'll be glad to overnite it to you.
 
LEV
[QUOTE=levlarry]If anyone wants "THE POWER", I'll be glad to overnite it to you. [QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=kweenb]You know what I'm sick of?  People screaming "Homophobia" every time someone disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
 
 
So you are in agreement with lev about this too.  I feel so bad that he has such an influence over so many.
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TeedOff,
 
Are you referring to the post Lev made about the dangers of that lifestyle?  If so, while I wouldn't have delivered it the way he did, everything he said was absolutely true.  All you have to do is Google it.
 
To insinuate that someone is "afraid" of homosexuals because they don't agree with that lifestyle is absolutely ridiculous.
 
 
Homophobia -
–noun
unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
[QUOTE=levlarry] If anyone wants "THE POWER", I'll be glad to overnite it to you.

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You made me snort my diet pepsi. "THE POWER" is strong indeed![QUOTE=kweenb][QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=kweenb]You know what I'm sick of?  People screaming "Homophobia" every time someone disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
 
 
So you are in agreement with lev about this too.  I feel so bad that he has such an influence over so many.
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TeedOff,
 
Are you referring to the post Lev made about the dangers of that lifestyle?  If so, while I wouldn't have delivered it the way he did, everything he said was absolutely true.  All you have to do is Google it.
 
To insinuate that someone is "afraid" of homosexuals because they don't agree with that lifestyle is absolutely ridiculous.
 
 
Homophobia -
–noun
unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
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Do you actually believe everything you fear or only what other people tell you.  Many nice people are homosexuals.[QUOTE=JasmineRain] [QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=JasmineRain]What is the logical leap that would cause one to pose such a question? [/QUOTE]
 
I still want to know Jasmine...what have I ever done to you?
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You annoy me, and I don't care for many of your posts.  So I call you out on it.
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You annoy the hell out of me too and I don't care for any of your posts but I still don't stand in the shadows with a knife waiting to stab you in the back.[QUOTE=babs10] [QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=milly]I believe that everyone knows everyone elses opinions at this point. To come here just to badger and attack one person and try to get others to agree with you is a rediculus waste of everyones time. Just my opinion.
 
I think we all know the difference between freedom of speech and a group personal attack against one member. It is obvious who the trouble makers are. We all get along fine with Lev. I am not saying we always agree with him 100 percent on every issue. I do not agree 100 percent with anyone on every issue.
 
I do not like the thinking that if someone disagrees with you that you should attack them in this manner. It does effect the forum. Thier are issues about spamming. That would be continuesly trying to force your opinion down the throats of others. Freedom of speech is what this great country of America is all about. You are equally aloud to voice your opinion. The rest of us do not need to be told what conclusion to come to. We have brains and can come to our own conclusions with freedom. So I would appreciate it if the spamming would stop.
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Millie...I have always had the utmost respect for you but I happen to disagree with you on this one.  If you notice, I have been the only one on here until a short time ago.  Do I disagree with the way lev has treated so many great ladies over a time span of 3 years...you bet I do.  Do I feel bad for all of those great ladies...you bet I do.  Did they contribute to this forum...you be they did.  Freedom of speech is not about badgering people who you think is weeker than you or differ from you until they cannot stand it and leave.
I did not come here to badger anyone, only to make you people open your eyes but then again, maybe I sould wait until he singles you out to attack.
Sorry Millie. [/QUOTE]

thank you so much, Milly.

Read your own post, Teed......  read your own post.
[/QUOTE] Oh I see Babs....you can talk to me but I can't talk to you...right???
I don't need to read my own post Babs, I wrote it.  Pardon me....I was the only one from the good guys who was on here until a short time ago.
 
It sounds like a double edged sword here.  We can't talk about you but you can rip the hell out of us.  Sounds about right.
Anger and HAte create disease (dis-ease) you never get better till you figure it out [QUOTE=mabus]Anger and HAte create disease (dis-ease) you never get better till you figure it out [/QUOTE]
 
Mabus...I do not hate anyone but I have a very very strong dislike for lev and his heavy handedness but maybe you have just explained something to me.  Mmmm.
[QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=JasmineRain] [QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=JasmineRain]What is the logical leap that would cause one to pose such a question? [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] I don't think I implied anything...I said it straight up.  I thought that is what the members of this board wanted....honesty. [QUOTE=TeedOff]I don't think I implied anything...I said it straight up.  I thought that is what the members of this board wanted....honesty.[/QUOTE]

No, actually, your post seemed to imply that I wait around for you to post then I pounce and stab you in the back.  LOL - do you really think you're that important to me?
No...just that sneeky!!!![QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=kweenb][QUOTE=TeedOff][QUOTE=kweenb]You know what I'm sick of?  People screaming "Homophobia" every time someone disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
 
 
So you are in agreement with lev about this too.  I feel so bad that he has such an influence over so many.
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TeedOff,
 
Are you referring to the post Lev made about the dangers of that lifestyle?  If so, while I wouldn't have delivered it the way he did, everything he said was absolutely true.  All you have to do is Google it.
 
To insinuate that someone is "afraid" of homosexuals because they don't agree with that lifestyle is absolutely ridiculous.
 
 
Homophobia -
–noun
unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
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Do you actually believe everything you fear or only what other people tell you.  Many nice people are homosexuals.[/QUOTE]
 
Did you even read my post?  I did not say that homosexuals weren't nice people.  I said I agreed that there are dangers to the homosexual lifestyle and I'm sick of homosexuals screaming "homophobic" at people who don't agree that it's an accepted lifestyle.  I don't "fear" it.  I have homosexual friends, but they also know where I stand on the issue.  God says  it's wrong.  I can't argue against that.
I agree with you Kweenb.
 I do not dislike the homosexual, I dislike what they practice. It is wrong
[QUOTE=#1inflamedOnline]I agree with you Kweenb.
 I do not dislike the homosexual, I dislike what they practice. It is wrong
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I really find it odd that anyone would think about what another couple does in private.  It's not my concern at all.  I have my own life to concentrate on..not what another couple does in their own privacy.
That it's right or wrong means nothing to me since it doesn't have anything to do with my life.
kelstev,
 
I don't think about what people do behind closed doors.  I was responding to the name calling.
[QUOTE=kelstev][QUOTE=#1inflamedOnline]I agree with you Kweenb.
 I do not dislike the homosexual, I dislike what they practice. It is wrong
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I really find it odd that anyone would think about what another couple does in private.  It's not my concern at all.  I have my own life to concentrate on..not what another couple does in their own privacy.
That it's right or wrong means nothing to me since it doesn't have anything to do with my life.
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Kelly,
The "practice" of Homesexuality goes against Christian beliefs. I do not sit and think or even imagine what they might do in private. That would be "Odd".
 
I do not condone the behavior or embrace the acceptance of the Homosexual lifestyle. But, I have known and like, and have loved people who practice the lifestyle. I am not a hater of people who are gay.
 
I dislike the fact that our country allows Gay marriage in some states. I feel it does have something to do with me, not personally, but as an American....Our country was founded on "In God we Trust"
 
I think of my cousin, a lesbian, who is the kindest and most charitable person I know - how she's been ostracized and shamed. Her significant other was barred from family functions by her mother.
 
I don't think it's right or wrong. It's not MY persuasion, but I'll be darned if I judge someone else for what they do in private [as long as it doesn't hurt either of them].
[QUOTE=Sam1234]I think of my cousin, a lesbian, who is the kindest and most charitable person I know - how she's been ostracized and shamed. Her significant other was barred from family functions by her mother.
 
I don't think it's right or wrong. It's not MY persuasion, but I'll be darned if I judge someone else for what they do in private [as long as it doesn't hurt either of them].
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Thank you Sam, you took the words right out of my mouth exactly.  I have met so many great people who would never hurt a soul but have been hurt over and over again.  I think that until someone very close to you is either a lesbian or a homosexual you cannot imagine the hurt they endure day to day, especially the very young[QUOTE=Sam1234]I think of my cousin, a lesbian, who is the kindest and most charitable person I know - how she's been ostracized and shamed. Her significant other was barred from family functions by her mother.
 
I don't think it's right or wrong. It's not MY persuasion, but I'll be darned if I judge someone else for what they do in private [as long as it doesn't hurt either of them].
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exactly, Sam.
As far as being against what Christians believe...well..I've always thought no one was to judge.  So I'll leave that to God.
 
[QUOTE=kelstev][QUOTE=Sam1234]I think of my cousin, a lesbian, who is the kindest and most charitable person I know - how she's been ostracized and shamed. Her significant other was barred from family functions by her mother.
 
I don't think it's right or wrong. It's not MY persuasion, but I'll be darned if I judge someone else for what they do in private [as long as it doesn't hurt either of them].
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exactly, Sam.
As far as being against what Christians believe...well..I've always thought no one was to judge.  So I'll leave that to God.
 
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I agree.  God will be everyone's judge. 
 
I don't hate homosexuals so quit trying to put words in my mouth.   As I said before, I have a very close friend who is a lesbian.  If I hated them, I definitely wouldn't have a friend who is a homosexual.  Just because I believe God's word says it's wrong doesn't mean that I dislike anyone who is.  God says adultery is wrong, but I don't hate people who have affairs on their spouse.  Sheesh! 
 
What I DO hate is the word homophobic.
 I specificly did not say that i was in agreement with Lev. I said he has a right to his opinion. He has a right to his religious believes. This is America I believe strongly in that. I do not put much thought in to homosexuality. I prefer not to think about it.
 
 If what Lev said offended anyone it was me. My father was molested as a child by a relative of his mother. There is a difference between a child molester and a homosexual. This particular person was a homosexual. There is good and bad in everyone. There are many bad hetorosexual people.
 
 My father never told anyone until two years ago he is 68. I am still sorting out my emotions. My father is a religious man from a religious family. I think he felt shame over being harmed as a child. It effected him and it effected his children because it made him an angry man.
 
 My father lost his right to his freedom of religion. I defend Lev's right to his freedom of religion. His freedom to speak what he believes in.
 
 It was offensive to me because it made me think of the horror that my father experienced as a young boy. I guess it is important for people to keep this argument going. Yet it is simple. America stands for freedom of religion and free speech. That is simple and basic and should not be up for discussion. Why does it bother people so much what others believe in how is that effecting your life? Noone has to abondon thier religious believes to please others. This is America.
[QUOTE=kweenb][QUOTE=kelstev][QUOTE=Sam1234]I think of my cousin, a lesbian, who is the kindest and most charitable person I know - how she's been ostracized and shamed. Her significant other was barred from family functions by her mother.
 
I don't think it's right or wrong. It's not MY persuasion, but I'll be darned if I judge someone else for what they do in private [as long as it doesn't hurt either of them].
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exactly, Sam.
As far as being against what Christians believe...well..I've always thought no one was to judge.  So I'll leave that to God.
 
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I agree.  God will be everyone's judge.  
 
I don't hate homosexuals so quit trying to put words in my mouth.   As I said before, I have a very close friend who is a lesbian.  If I hated them, I definitely wouldn't have a friend who is a homosexual.  Just because I believe God's word says it's wrong doesn't mean that I dislike anyone who is.  God says adultery is wrong, but I don't hate people who have affairs on their spouse.  Sheesh! 
 
What I DO hate is the word homophobic.
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WTH? I wasn't even talking to you.  I didn't put any words in your mouth and I didn't say you hated anyone![QUOTE=kelstev][QUOTE=Sam1234]I think of my cousin, a lesbian, who is the kindest and most charitable person I know - how she's been ostracized and shamed. Her significant other was barred from family functions by her mother.
 
I don't think it's right or wrong. It's not MY persuasion, but I'll be darned if I judge someone else for what they do in private [as long as it doesn't hurt either of them].
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exactly, Sam.
As far as being against what Christians believe...well..I've always thought no one was to judge.  So I'll leave that to God.
 
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Kelly,
The link I am posting will give you an idea about what I believe to be true of the Christian faith.
 
When we go for a job interview, are we not being judged by our qaulifications? When we elect an offical , we judge them against thier running mate...to say no one should never judge and to say God does not require us to Judge, I feel is incorrect and I have to disagree.
 
http://biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Judging.html

What is a good Christian?

A Republican of course. LOL[QUOTE=TeedOff]

What is a good Christian?

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Are you asking me? I should have said, "What makes a GOOD Christian?"  When God tell us not to judge others, He does not mean that we can have no opinion on what  is right or wrong.  He means that we are not to judge the motives of the heart, we cannot see what is anothers's heart, only He can.  To say that homosexuality (or lying, adultery, stealing, murder...) is wrong is only to agree with a judgement that God already made.  If anyone has an argument with that, your argument is with God and His word.
As for what makes a "good" or a "bad" Christian, who can say?  That is for God to judge.
When a Christian says that God will sort it out. That is not a bad thing. I have seen people act as if that is an evil statement.
 
Everyone sins in one way or another. No one is without sin. God knows what is in thier heart and will judge in his way. So I do not see that to be an agressive statement. We do not have all of the answers. We all face judgement day.
[QUOTE=Linncn]When God tell us not to judge others, He does not mean that we can have no opinion on what  is right or wrong.  He means that we are not to judge the motives of the heart, we cannot see what is anothers's heart, only He can.  To say that homosexuality (or lying, adultery, stealing, murder...) is wrong is only to agree with a judgement that God already made.  If anyone has an argument with that, your argument is with God and His word.
As for what makes a "good" or a "bad" Christian, who can say?  That is for God to judge.
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Well said. I agree :0)[QUOTE=#1inflamedOnline][QUOTE=kelstev][QUOTE=Sam1234]I think of my cousin, a lesbian, who is the kindest and most charitable person I know - how she's been ostracized and shamed. Her significant other was barred from family functions by her mother.
 
I don't think it's right or wrong. It's not MY persuasion, but I'll be darned if I judge someone else for what they do in private [as long as it doesn't hurt either of them].
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exactly, Sam.
As far as being against what Christians believe...well..I've always thought no one was to judge.  So I'll leave that to God.
 
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Kelly,
The link I am posting will give you an idea about what I believe to be true of the Christian faith.
 
When we go for a job interview, are we not being judged by our qaulifications? When we elect an offical , we judge them against thier running mate...to say no one should never judge and to say God does not require us to Judge, I feel is incorrect and I have to disagree.
 
http://biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Judging.html
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I think I would have to say that you and I would not agree on this subject.
 
Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things
 
Romans 14:10,13
10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 13...therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another...
 
James 4:11-12
11... Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it... 12... who are you to judge your neighbor?
 
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
 
Matthew 7:1-2
1Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Kelly,
I am fine with agreeing to disagree!
Thank you.
[QUOTE=milly]A Republican of course. LOL[/QUOTE]  funny Milly!

Kelly, question....is it your understanding of the Bible that we are to go through life acting as though we have no idea at all of what is right and what is wrong?  If so, wouldn't the very act of telling anyone that it's wrong to judge others go against that very belief?  By doing so, you have made a judgement between what is right and what is worng, correct?

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Kelly, question....is it your understanding of the Bible that we are to go through life acting as though we have no idea at all of what is right and what is wrong?  If so, wouldn't the very act of telling anyone that it's wrong to judge others go against that very belief?  By doing so, you have made a judgement between what is right and what is worng, correct?

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I have no idea if we are to go through life acting any way.  I only live by what was taught to me by my parents...like how to treat other people, be polite...be kind...be compassionate...etc.  Then I went on to teach my own children the same things.
 
Kelly,
 
You are completely taking some scripture out of context.  Just look at the scripture of Romans 2:1 that you posted.  Go back to your bible and read the next few verses.  It's talking about being a hypocrite.  About judging other people when you have sin in your life.
 
What do you think of these verses: 
 
John 7:24  Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgement.
 
Matthew 23:23  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hyprocrites! for ye pay tithe of  mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
1 Corinthians 5:3  For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed.
 
If you believe that we should never tell anyone what God says is right and wrong, then aren't you saying it's wrong for a preacher to preach against sin?
 
Concerning your last post.  Why is it that if I believe in God's word, then I'm being uncompassionate or unkind? 
kweenb2010-02-06 20:30:04[QUOTE=kweenb]Kelly,
 
You are completely taking some scripture out of context.  Just look at the scripture of Romans 2:1 that you posted.  Go back to your bible and read the next few verses.  It's talking about being a hypocrite.  About judging other people when you have sin in your life.
 
What do you think of these verses: 
 
John 7:24  Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgement.
 
Matthew 23:23  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hyprocrites! for ye pay tithe of  mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
1 Corinthians 5:3  For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed.
 
If you believe that we should never tell anyone what God says is right and wrong, then aren't you saying it's wrong for a preacher to preach against sin?
 
Concerning your last post.  Why is it that if I believe in God's word, then I'm being uncompassionate or unkind? 
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yes, and that's one reason why we shouldn't judge
 
your verses against the verses I posted.  I don't know..maybe they cancel each other out?
seriously...you will believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe.
 
I have no idea if it's wrong for a preacher to preach against sin.
 
Concerning my last post...I see no where there where I said that anyone who believes in God's word isn't compassionate or kind. Now who's putting words in someone's mouth?
Kweenb...I think you and I will just have to agree to disagree [QUOTE=kelstev]Concerning my last post...I see no where there where I said that anyone who believes in God's word isn't compassionate or kind. Now who's putting words in someone's mouth?[/QUOTE]
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Blind FaithI live in a small town and I can not even count the amount of churches. That is what America is freedom of religion. I would not begin to tell people that what they believe in is wrong. The world is made up of many people and many belifes and opinions. That is a fact of life that I except.
 
From a scientific and socialogical stand point the popularity of gay marriage is due to aids and HIV. Monogamy makes an unhealthy life style cleaner and safer for both heterosexauls as well homosexuals.
 
If I am supposed to judge people I just was not made out of the right cookie cutter to do that. It is someone elses job to judge. I am not saying that we don't need people to judge but I have a hard enough time keeping myself in line to have time to throw stones.
 
This is why people are different. In society different personality types take different roles. We would cease to exsist if we were all the same perfect person. So it is best we all agree to disagree.
Judge not lest ye be judged....is that how it is suppose to go?
Far too many people say all the right words while hiding behind the good book and they interpret it however they want, to suit their own take on things, like Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker and a few others.  Do unto others was the mantra in our house not do unto others because I say so.
I consider a good Christian someone like SnowOwl, Nini, Kelly and Waddie for instance, people who do not judge anyone.
One other thing...I am sure God does not like a hypocrite. 
TeedOff2010-02-06 23:27:21[QUOTE=TeedOff]Judge not lest ye be judged....is that how it is suppose to go?
Far too many people say all the right words while hiding behind the good book and they interpret it however they want, to suit their own take on things, like Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker and a few others.  Do unto others was the mantra in our house not do unto others because I say so.
I consider a good Christian someone like SnowOwl, Nini, Kelly and Waddie for instance, people who do not judge anyone.
One other thing...I am sure God does not like a hypocrite. 
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I had no problem with discussing things with Kelly, I respect her and did not find her offensive. I do not think she had a hidden agenda. I think you do.

You just want to cast a net and cover all the people you disagree with and looked down your crooked little nose at. ( your fishing for trouble).

Get your snobby little nose out of the air and take a minute to read your recent posts: ( I think you will be ashamed, if not you should be)

Before, you start on my past here at AI...I have apologized for my behavior...I went through a lot of abuse and I said things back to my attackers because I was so hurt, angry , and Pissed....So if you want to go dig up the past on me like you are on "LL"..I can not stop you. If I could I would go back and delete all that mess...but I can not.

With that said...what follows next is the statement that compelled me to respond to your statement:

"I consider a good Christian someone like Snow Owl, Nini, Kelly and Waddie for instance, people who do not judge anyone."

I do not know how you were able to chose who you believe are good Christians?...based on the fact you believe it is wrong to judge...based on your belief that only God gets to judge...and anyone who claims they judge is not a good Christian. Your statement makes no sense at all…sorry, but this is really easy to see through.
 
Now before you get your panties in a twist. I know why you started this. It is an inflammatory subject here at AI. I discuss my faith in God with you only if you keep it civil and in perspective.
#1inflamedOnline2010-02-07 06:26:09God loves all his children. Teed...dont you judge Lev?  If you didn't you would not be offended by his words nor wold you cal him out on it.  I'm not being argumentive, I'm just saying it's impossible not to judge without suspending every idea of right and wrong.  [QUOTE=Linncn]Teed...dont you judge Lev?  If you didn't you would not be offended by his words nor wold you cal him out on it.  I'm not being argumentive, I'm just saying it's impossible not to judge without suspending every idea of right and wrong.  [/QUOTE]
Exactly...well said Linnen...I agree 100%

Babs, yes, God does love.  God also hates.  Romans 9:13 says, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

To everyone:  I don't hate anyone, but as a Christian, I have to recognize sin for what it is.  I don't condemn anyone for the life they choose to lead.  I have enough problems trying to lead a life acceptable to the Lord - I strive every single day.  I also certainly don't condemn anyone because they don't have the same beliefs I do.  But if asked, I have to stand up for what I believe God says is right and what He says is wrong.  I'm sorry if you feel that's a bad thing.
kweenb2010-02-07 07:08:34Once again,
 
I want to clear something up. When I posted about GLBT, it wasn't to judge them or condem them. I posted that President Obama on his website had declared June as Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual and Transgender month. That's all. I said that I was tired of President Obama and our politicians giving "special"peoples and groups special attention and rights. I asked what month was hetrosexual month. At that time the forum uglies attacked me for being homophobic. Even though they knew what my post was about, they saw an opportunity to attack me and gather sympathy and support from those members that are so protective of GLBT, some much more so than our brave soldiers. I also mentioned that if the government were going to attack the overweight for their unhealthy lifestyle, then they need to attack the GLBT lifestyle which is so very costly to our healthcare system. But, just like when anyone disagrees with our President they are labeled a racist, so do simple minds label honest people that speak out against the unhealthy lifestyle and habits that are so very costly to our healthcare system as homophobics. There has to be some derogatory word for people like that. Let's see, hmmmm, I know, we'll just call them "wrong". And once again, it was the troublemakers that twisted my post into something it wasn't. And okay, I don't have any GLBT friends. So what? And if I did, I certainly wouldn't call them the best people I know well above my other friends. Yous that do that are weird. And probably deep seeded homophobic or have GLBT swayings. No group of peoples are the best people.
 
LEV
[QUOTE=#1inflamedOnline][QUOTE=TeedOff]I should have said, "What makes a GOOD Christian?"  [/QUOTE]
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I should of said "Blind Faith in Christ"
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apology accepted [QUOTE=TeedOff]

What is a good Christian?

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I suspect that answer will be as diverse as the answers to what makes a good forum..."Seek and you will find."[QUOTE=TeedOff]
I consider a good Christian someone like SnowOwl, Nini, Kelly and Waddie for instance, people who do not judge anyone.
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Thanks, Teed...but I must say, I don't think many Christians would consider me a good Christian. Heck, I don't even go to church anymore.  I've been struggling with a few questions with religion for a while now.
But thanks for the kind words.
Kween...I like your post and I agree.  We need to get the "logs" out of our own eyes before we start picking the "speck" out of everyone elses.  Everyone is guilty before God,we might be guilty of different things, but we're all guilty and we all need a Saviour.  The danger in judging is when we forget that.  I think it must be something we all have a tendancy toward because we are warned so often and so strongly against it.  [QUOTE=#1inflamedOnline]I had no problem with discussing things with Kelly[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I appreciate that we could discuss without any problems
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Babs, yes, God does love.  God also hates.  Romans 9:13 says, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

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I consider a good Christian someone like SnowOwl, Nini, Kelly and Waddie for instance, people who do not judge anyone.
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Thanks, Teed...but I must say, I don't think many Christians would consider me a good Christian. Heck, I don't even go to church anymore.  I've been struggling with a few questions with religion for a while now.
But thanks for the kind words.
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Kelly,
 
Though we disagree on this issue, I believe you are a kind, gentle person and  I also would never say that anyone was a bad Christian.  I hope you didn't get that impression from my posts.  I'm sorry that you are struggling with some questions right now.  I've been there too.  Please feel free to PM me if you ever want to talk about it.
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Babs, yes, God does love.  God also hates.  Romans 9:13 says, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

To everyone:  I don't hate anyone, but as a Christian, I have to recognize sin for what it is.  I don't condemn anyone for the life they choose to lead.  I have enough problems trying to lead a life acceptable to the Lord - I strive every single day.  I also certainly don't condemn anyone because they don't have the same beliefs I do.  But if asked, I have to stand up for what I believe God says is right and what He says is wrong.  I'm sorry if you feel that's a bad thing.
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Agreed. 

I too try not to hate. 

This is an incendenary topic usually brought up in groups to cause an uproar or to inflame others.  no two people who belong to the same faith, raised in the same home will agree completely about their religion and faith...

the agenda with which this was initiated is not one that will be beneficial to any of us or the site.

We should... therefore... agree to disagree, yes?


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Yes, I'm good with that.  [QUOTE=kweenb]Kelly,
 Though we disagree on this issue, I believe you are a kind, gentle person and  I also would never say that anyone was a bad Christian.  I hope you didn't get that impression from my posts.  I'm sorry that you are struggling with some questions right now.  I've been there too.  Please feel free to PM me if you ever want to talk about it.
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No, no..I didn't get that impression from your posts...no problems there.
Thanks
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