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Has anyone tried medical marijuana for RA pain and inflamation?I"ve tried it -- made me concentrate on the pain more. So that didn't work!I don't know anyone who has tried it for RA pain, though I do know a few who have tried it for fibromyalgia.  I think, if it were legal in my state, I would try it for RA pain.  I currently don't take anything for pain because I don't like the way it makes me feel and I don't like running more stuff through my liver!

Is it legal in your state?  Have you discussed the possibility with your RD?  I wouldn't take anything for pain (or otherwise) without first discussing it with my RD.  There are many who can't tolerate traditional pain meds that this may help. 

Waddie

I didn't like the effects of marijuana at all.  I tried it when I was a teenager, yuck, thinking maybe it would be different in my 20's I tried it again, yuck.  Same thing in my 30's.  It made me so depressed, sick in my stomach and paranoid as Hell.  I just do not like it at all and it tasted and smelled nasty.

If it did help RA I would choose the pain over pot, I hated it that much.
Active ingredients in marijuana found to spread and prolong pain
Published: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 16:43 in Health & Medicine

Imagine that you're working on your back porch, hammering in a nail. Suddenly you slip and hit your thumb instead — hard. The pain is incredibly intense, but it only lasts a moment. After a few seconds (and a few unprintable words) you're ready to start hammering again. How can such severe pain vanish so quickly? And why is it that other kinds of equally terrible pain refuse to go away, and instead torment their victims for years?

University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston researchers think they've found at least part of the answer—and believe it or not, it's in a group of compounds that includes the active ingredients in marijuana, the cannabinoids. Interestingly enough, given recent interest in the medical use of marijuana for pain relief, experiments with rodents and humans described in a paper published in the current issue of Science suggest these "endocannabinoids," which are made within the human body, can actually amplify and prolong pain rather than damping it down.

"In the spinal cord there's a balance of systems that control what information, including information about pain, is transmitted to the brain," said UTMB professor Volker Neugebauer, one of the authors of the Science article, along with UTMB senior research scientist Guangchen Ji and collaborators from Switzerland, Hungary, Japan, Germany, France and Venezuela. "Excitatory systems act like a car's accelerator, and inhibitory ones act like the brakes. What we found is that in the spinal cord endocannabinoids can disable the brakes."

To get to this conclusion, the researchers began by studying what happened when they applied a biochemical mimic of an endocannabinoid to inhibitory neurons (the brakes, in Neugebauer's analogy) on slices of mouse spinal cord. Electrical signals that would ordinarily have elicited an inhibitory response were ignored. They then repeated the procedure using slices of spinal cord from mice genetically engineered to lack receptors where the endocannabinoid molecules could dock, and found that in that case, the "brakes" worked. Finally, using electron microscopy, they confirmed that the receptors were in fact on inhibitory, not excitatory neurons. Endocannabinoids docking with them would suppress the inhibitor neurons, and leave pain signals with a straight shot to the brain.

"The next step was to make the leap from spinal slices to test whether this really had anything to do with pain," Neugebauer said. Using anesthetized rats, he recorded the spinal cord electrical activity produced by an injection in the hindpaw of capsaicin– a chemical found in hot peppers that produces a level of pain he compared to a severe toothache. Although the rats were unconscious, pain impulses could be detected racing up their spinal cords. What's more, formerly benign stimuli now generated a significant pain response — a response that stopped when the rats were treated with an endocannabinoid receptor blocker.

"Why was this non-painful information now gaining access to the spinal "pain" neurons?" Neugebauer said. "The capsaicin produced an overstimulation that led to the peripheral nerves releasing endocannabinoids, which activated receptors that shut down the inhibitor neurons, leaving the gates wide open."

Finally, the researchers recruited human volunteers to determine whether a compound that blocked endocannabinoid receptors would have an effect on the increased sensitivity to pain (hyperalgesia) and tendency for normally non-painful stimuli to induce pain (allodynia) often reported in areas of the body near where acute pain had been inflicted. In this case, the researchers induced pain by passing electricity through the volunteers' left forearms, with the intensity of the current set by each volunteer to a 6 on a scale of 1 to 10. At a second session a month later, the volunteers who had received the receptor blocker showed no reduction in perceived acute pain, but had significantly less hyperalgesia and allodynia — a result that matched up well with the endocannabinoid hypothesis.

"To sum up, we've discovered a novel mechanism that can transform transient normal pain into persistent chronic pain," Neugebauer said. "Persistent pain is notoriously difficult to treat, and this study offers insight into new mechanisms and possibly a new target in the spinal cord."

It also raises questions about the efficacy of marijuana in relieving acute pain, given that endocannabinoids and the cannabinoids found in marijuana are so biochemically similar. "If you had a toothache, you probably wouldn't want to treat it with marijuana, because you could actually make it worse," Neugebauer said. "Now, for more pathological conditions like neuropathic pain, where the problem is a dysfunction within the nerves themselves and a subsequent disturbance throughout the nervous system that's not confined to the pain system, marijuana may be beneficial. There are studies that seem to show that. But our model shows cannabinoids over-activating the pain system, and it just doesn't seem like a good idea to further increase this effect."

Source: University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston

'Cannabis alters human DNA' -- new study
Published: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 09:53 in Health & Medicine

A new study published by University of Leicester researchers has found "convincing evidence" that cannabis smoke damages DNA in ways that could potentially increase the risk of cancer development in humans. Using a newly developed highly sensitive liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry method, the University of Leicester scientists found clear indication that cannabis smoke damages DNA, under laboratory conditions.

They have now published the findings in the journal Chemical Research in Toxicology1.

The research was carried out by Rajinder Singh, Jatinderpal Sandhu, Balvinder Kaur, Tina Juren, William P. Steward, Dan Segerback and Peter B. Farmer from the Cancer Biomarkers and Prevention Group, Department of Cancer Studies and Molecular Medicine and Karolinska Institute, Sweden.

Raj Singh said: "Parts of the plant Cannabis sativa, also known as marijuana, ganja, and various street names, are commonly smoked as a recreational drug, although its use for such purposes is illegal in many countries.

"There have been many studies on the toxicity of tobacco smoke. It is known that tobacco smoke contains 4000 chemicals of which 60 are classed as carcinogens. Cannabis in contrast has not been so well studied. It is less combustible than tobacco and is often mixed with tobacco in use. Cannabis smoke contains 400 compounds including 60 cannabinoids. However, because of its lower combustibility it contains 50% more carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons including naphthalene, benzanthracene, and benzopyrene, than tobacco smoke."

Writing in the journal Chemical Research in Toxicology, the scientists describe the development of a mass spectrometry method that provides a clear indication that cannabis smoke damages DNA, under laboratory conditions.

The authors added: "It is well known that toxic substances in tobacco smoke can damage DNA and increase the risk of lung and other cancers. Scientists were unsure though whether cannabis smoke would have the same effect. Our research has focused on the toxicity of acetaldehyde, which is present in both tobacco and cannabis."

The researchers add that the ability of cannabis smoke to damage DNA has significant human health implications especially as users tend to inhale more deeply than cigarette smokers, which increases respiratory burden. "The smoking of 3-4 cannabis cigarettes a day is associated with the same degree of damage to bronchial mucus membranes as 20 or more tobacco cigarettes a day," the team adds.

"These results provide evidence for the DNA damaging potential of cannabis smoke," the researchers conclude, "implying that the consumption of cannabis cigarettes may be detrimental to human health with the possibility to initiate cancer development."

Source: University of Leicester

And now my own opinions of marijauna use for pain. For sure, marijuana is a mind altering drug. It is possible that a person that smokes marijuana may find relief from pain as the drug alters the minds thoughts to focus so deeply on a subject or thoughts so deep that the pain is overseen, and so the spaced out look of a person that has just smoked marijuana. Marijuana does cause paranoia and anxiety, no ifs ands or buts about it. Marijuana takes a mind away from reality. But, like I've always said, I believe that everyones body is their own but, I will not excuse criminal activity or even an accident, especially injury or death, because someones good thought process is altered from a drug.
 
LEV
I had no pain relief.I think it should be legalized, taxed and regulated, just like alcohol.  Did we learn anything from the great Prohibition in the early 20th century? Any Brits on this thread?
 
I thought they were doing this in the UK with some success.
 
I'd probably try it but I think  I'll keep remembering my ex's son and how he literally fried out his brains by using MJ over a long period of time.
 
I think I can deal with almost anything except my brains going blotto. But then, if they've gone blotto, maybe I won't care!
I like smoking grass, though I don't do it much anymore.  I can't imagine it's an alternative for any of the common RA drugs that are prescribed.  It can help a headache, but that's about the extent of its pain relieving power.  It CAN, however, be good for those that suffer from nausea as a side effect. [QUOTE=JasmineRain]I think it should be legalized, taxed and regulated, just like alcohol.  Did we learn anything from the great Prohibition in the early 20th century? [/QUOTE]
totally agree.
 
for me, I don't think I'd use it....I didn't like the way it made me feel.  Although, I must say...once past the paranoid feeling, I liked it.
Hi guys, I have always wondered if it would work esp when I was allergic to pain killers of different types but I was too uncomfortable with the fact that it is illegal and also was too scared to try it as I don't like not being in control of my mind/body.
 
I can tell you if smoking grass helps with pain.
 
I have had PA for 24 yrs or so(lol).In the morning it takes the pain away enough that i can
start moving around and get loosened up for work and at bed time it helps with the pain and getting to sleep.
 
oh ya,to all you guys and gals getting paronoid(sp?) its the cheap mexican grass your smoking...lol
twisted2010-07-18 05:28:07It has been legalized in my state and they are now looking for outlet locations.  It will be very interesting to see the results of this in the future.  I do not plan to try it, but ya never know!
Perhaps it they put it in pill form, I might entertain the idea.  I can't tolerate smoke of any kind.  Ah Choo! 

[QUOTE=GG]It has been legalized in my state and they are now looking for outlet locations.  It will be very interesting to see the results of this in the future.  I do not plan to try it, but ya never know!
Perhaps it they put it in pill form, I might entertain the idea.  I can't tolerate smoke of any kind.  Ah Choo! 

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FYI it can be eaten or vaporized and I'm sure it will be in pill form soon.
I have tried it (I have PA) and it did help. It didn't last long, but it was long enough to allow me to fall asleep and I actually got a good nights rest. A lot can be said for it's relaxation properties. I agree with it's use but worry about the bone-heads out there that will drive after they have used it. I tried this once when I was "young and stupid", some might say, still stupid. Bodak2010-07-30 16:33:34My state has Indian casinos, casino boats, OTB, lottery, etc., etc. to get taxes and we're still in the red.  They should legalize and tax weed.

I would try prescription weed, from what I saw on a History Channel show the stuff they sell in the medical clinics is very high quality.  However, I would NOT try it before driving.  I'd have to save it for one of those really bad nights after I somehow managed to make it through a day at work without crying.  I think I'd like to try smoking a doobie instead of having to take Percocet and then the rest of my night is shot because I have to go to bed.
I agree Tara. Tax and regulate like cigarettes and our states would benefit.

I know on the occasions I have tried it, it was beneficial to me. It's not something I would use to replace what the doctors have given me, but on those really bad days it does seem to help
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