The forum is to promote and sharing experiences, consolations, informations for betterment and finding solutions for arthritis. This is a forum to post awareness, logical statements and contribute views in right prospectives.
There is one devious autocrat also a racist giving names like Troll, Scammer, Sales person whose views do not fit her theory. "The thing he promotes is the book...". "I have had many friends in person and on line to whom English was not their primary language....". It is the nastiness that he (and others like him) tryto convey that come out nonsensical".
This forum as if belongs to her, any other views not fit her theory are deemed quackery, fraud, sales person selling herbal products, books that are written by doctors emphasize on healthy foods without drugs, are also fraud and quackery. This a democratic society, viewers are mature enough to assess logical statements in this forum. Even scientists should have spirit of curiousity. They must say, "Let's try to understand it", and not "It doesn't fit my theory, so it doesn't exist." This the case of Dr. Prusiner, a nobel price winner, who found the mad cow disease. For three decades most scientist have believed that no life can exist or reproduce itself without DNA or RNA, which are the genetic blueprints for life. Dr. Prusiner proved the low disease prions to the contrary.
I hope this forum is not solely controlled by persons who are insensitive, autocratic, unreasonable, making false accusations, and calling others' names. Everyone is entitled to his or her views and expressions!!!!
You should take a break from the computer. It would seem to me that you are taking the internet waaaaaaaaaay too seriously. It is a question of logic, defending integrity and right of views.I agree Az. I myself received a mesage in my email today from a troll, I think?? about it being her duty to alert others to a new drink for Arthritis. Know what I told her?
if I was looking for a product to buy, I was more then capable of finding it myself and did not need a constant reminder of products, there are enough out there as it is.
This forum is not for others to try and push off their views about products and selling them, it is about self help plain and simple.
When all the trolls realize that things will change.
Kokako88 do you have RA? Most of us are dealing with this on a daily basis. We are all open to each others ideas on how to cope daily with this disease. No-one here is against any type of therapy that is proven. We are also (as Seagoat says) internet literate and quite capable of investigating whichever therapy we are interested in and making our own decision as to whether or not we will purchase it. I don't think any one here is saying you are not entitled to your views but just that they don't necessarily belong in this forum. You've had your say, now it is time to move on to a different place. Please don't keep going from thread to thread repeating the same thing as if it is a cure-all for every aspect of this disease. You have said your piece, any one who is interested can contact you but please stop pushing your stuff at every opportunity.When I first read this I thought to myself.....does this person have RA, OA, fibro? Does this person understand the difficulty of life and the change that took place? Does this person understand the impact it has had on our relationships, family and friends not to mention our finances? Do they have any idea that in fact as stated before, if we wanted to find a product out of the the realm that our RD's prescribe to us that we would take the time and endurance through all our pain and fatigue and diseased bodies to find it? Does this person actually think we want to learn about a new product or read argumentative statements about something we do not want to read nor are remotely interested in?
So then I thought, what does this person actually have to gain? They have already lost all credibility with the person and or person's he/she is bothering on the website, so why bother to keep posting? A true business person would get the hint, rather, the true and genuine person would have the respect of others on this board who come here for a boost in moral, to forget the pain, to ease the lingering thoughts that our lives will only get worse, maybe better bit by bit but overall if nothing else full of pain each and every waking and sleeping minute of our lives. So why are these people making all these statements that none of us are interested in and just go away as in stop posting?
So I figure these "trolls" or inconsiderate people do not know or realize American culture or English culture for that matter. We have posters from Canada and well as Australia and other places beyond our borders here in the United States; they do not push products, they come here to share a devestating and terminal illness.YEs and I repeat a terminal illness because there is no cure. Everybody knows that if there was a real cure it would be on CNN and all the talk shows.
So I will cut through the Miss Nicey Nicey "Bull". WE are a sickly bunch whether we want to be or not. We get rather cranky because our bodies are falling apart from the inside and quite frankly there are no cures,there are medicines to pause the disease for those individuals who are lucky enough #1 to be able to afford the medications, and #2 lucky enough that the drugs actually work.
So troll or salesperson that you are, do not waste your time trying to speel products, theories or books with us because we are not interested.Do you know why so many people from here have formed their own message boards?! do you? It is to get away from people who try to sell things to us that we make ever so clear that we do not want. Yep that is right, we do not want your product, or your conversation or your theories on RA because we do not find them worthy or valid of our best interest.
This person previously has had chronic gout and RA of neck shoulder's joint and chest. Methotrexate and corticosteriods were drugs used. badbone, "We are a sickly bunch .........." that the way and the fact of your life.
Did I post to sell anything? This is a fact of life, I do not take any drugs for my gout/RA. Whether you like it or not is a fact of my life to share with people who believe in building up healthy body with healthy foods. I am one of the those who loves health foods not drugs.
Sorry to upset. You are not wrong to said there is no cure in medical field with drugs and knifes. As a consultant rheumatologist mentioned in a arthritis congress "Methotrexate is a very potent, immuno-suppressive anti-inflammatory agent that can cause liver or lung disease and that corticosteroids can have side effects of diabetes mellitus and high blood pressure". Thanks god I do not need them anymore. With Vioxx pulled from the market and Celebrex also showing evidence of a link to heart attacks. What are all these life savers!
Not all believe the way you think otherwise there will be healthy foods clinics flourish in America and Europe, and other part of the world. You don't benefit others do.
And this is the first post out of 33 in which RA is mentioned. And so the story and the tone change. I give up on this. It is a pointless arguement. I only hope that people who do not agree with 'western medicine' will realize that we all are bright individuals who will seek out holistic care. Meaning we will look for physical therapy and exercise, food and nutrition, herbal and vitamin supplements, and drugs that when used in combination will offer us the best chance of beating this disease and others like it. Maybe some of the self proclaimed 'bringers of light' into our 'darkness' will see that we are well aware of these options and we either choose not to use them, or are already using them in conjunction with other methods. To Mr Kokako-if you have suffered with Gout and have found that by eating certain foods and takeing of herbs you have been medication free and disease free-then you are fortunate and it is a wonderful thing that you must no longer endure the pain that Gout brings. However, as I initially set out to make clear, many-not all but many sufferers of Gout injest foods that are high in purines which increases uric acid in the body and causes the attack of Gout. This is a simplified explanation, but that is the jist of it. So it would stand to reason (and has been proven) that elimination of the high purine foods will relieve the suffering. RA and OA are not caused by uric acid levels being to high. I am sure that there are some people who have gone into long term remissions from their arthritis simply by following a healty diet and taking herbal supplements. My own mother was dx'd at the age of 9 with JRA and is now 62. She has never taken steroids or DMARDS. Only ASA and eating healthy. She has flare ups and days when she is just really tired. She is starting to show slight changes in the shape of her fingers and she has osteoporosus. But she still works full time, running her own business; she was out in the yard on Saturday helping my Dad trim branches and mowing and pulling weeds. But her sister has RA and has not had luck managing it with OTC meds and diet alone. So you see, even among families, what works for one does not help another. It has already been said and I will say it again: we always welcome new people and new ideas, but not one idea-pushed repeatedly-no matter what the topic. Having our words brought down into a new post and broken down for analysis and criticism. It is rude and suspicious. It reeks of a salespitch--however poor an attempt it may be. And in this case, if a self employed herbalist is not here to push a 'rare' herb or flower, wonderful. But dont make yourself appear as a Troll by continually spouting off about all of us being in the dark. You like your way and we dont tell you after every one of your posts that you really should go get some medicine and see a doctor. Likewise, we demand the same respect. We didnt ask, but if anyone is looking for a dietary and herbal cure for Gout we will send them your way. I dont have Gout, I am not interested in the herbs, foods, or research that you have read about. I personally dont care to hear anything about any of those things. I guess that will be my loss, but I am willing to take that chance. I am telling you this so that you will not be mistaken if you read one of my posts at a later time. This way you will not waste your time responding, because I am not interested.
By the way did you check out my 'word of the day' thread? I thought it was good for a laugh. And yes, I make jokes--It is my sense of humor that keeps me sane. I not only deal with my own illness, but my husband has some health issues as well, my son has asthma and has been severely ill, my 80 yr old grand parents live a block away and I am always helping them, and then I go to work and have to deal with everything from 2week old babies with meningitis to people with gun shot wounds and rape victims, to heart attacks and codes. If I didnt find a way to laugh about the BS that life dishes out I would be in a mental institution. I have been criticised for my joking nature and I just wanted it to be said that most of us here do have a silly side and we enjoy the fun and light heartedness that this type of nonsense brings to our stressful lives.
You go girl!!!
Thanks. I agree AZ-I have very strong feelings about people pushing their religous beliefs on others. I strongly disagree with is the unrelenting advertisment of ones lifestyle onto others whether it be political, religious, social or ethical. I have open views about many things, but I agree, I dont want anything 'shoved down my throat'. The worst thing is the hypocracy--being called closed minded by someone who only thinks that their way is best. What Crunchy has stated is exactly what we have all been trying to tell you kokako88 ..aka...Mr. Singapore. And believe it when it is said, you do not, I repeat, you do not want to mes with a bunch of women that are not only well versed in Rheumatoid Arthritis, but in pain as well....you don't wanna go there! "THE POSSIBE" - No drug. Healthy and Correct Foods. American, English and European doctors and Researchers are authors of books and papers. Even cancer, a life threatening disease is possible, as a Cancer Researcher said "In my research, I have shown that if cancer cells are grown in a high potassium medium, they revert to normal cells. Cancer is reversible". "If it is not reversible, then we have to cut it out destroy it with radiation or chemotherapy. But I have proven that it is a reversible process." By promoting healthy foods no $. "THE IMPOSSIBLE" and "THE POSSIBLE" in this respect will never reconcile. Did anybody just here the theme from the Twilight Zone? 'Cause I swear I just got sucked into another dimension and dropped back to two days ago.There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a
dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the
middle ground between light and shadow, between science and
superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit
of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area
which we call the Twilight Zone.
Oh my gosh! Let me wipe away a tear! You are cracking me up!!!
Today I tame the vicious attacks of arthritis like slaves with no drug. If the vicious army of attack that is no hold bar starts its usual cycle from one joint to one and another that is one bones are crackings and one is made a slave the disease. With all the drugs one is still in pain and subject to "bombardment" and immobility. What a sunny day with fresh air, fresh healthy foods, no drug, sleep soundly. Life is great. I like Elvis's "It's Now Or Never". Tomorrow will be too late, it's now or never. Today I tame the vicious attacks of arthritis like slaves with
no drug. If the vicious army of attack that is no hold bar starts its
usual cycle from one joint to one and another that is one bones are
crackings and one is made a slave the disease. With all the drugs one
is still in pain and subject to "bombardment" and immobility. What a sunny day with fresh air, fresh healthy foods, no drug, sleep soundly. Life is great. I have great respect for doctors and authors of books against the use of drug in treatment. Precription drugs can be lucrative imcome and one of the important "ammunition" for practising doctors. Yet these doctors denounce drugs that is unusual in their medical professionalism for humane ethic and reality. There were numerous reports about some rogue doctors sold cough syrup to addicts illegally, stole dead bodies' organs and preserved them without dead persons' relatives knowlege, slowly drugged patients and killed them for insurance monies as their beneficiary etc.. For all the sincerity and truthfulness, these respected doctors are labelled as if they are not in the medical norm. Their messages are viewed as Twilight Zone!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! What are all these thinkers! Must be from outer space. This is twilight zone, the post is labeled wrong. THis Singapore guy is like a pop up ad. Have you ever seen the AOL ad for popups where these sales reps get right in the face of the guy walking toward the building, but when he gets to the door the popup guy can't get in....this is a perfect example. There is no doubt in my mind that sales rep attack Dr.'s on a daily basis with their drugs and their toys and pens...it seems everytime I go to the RD's office or my internists there is a sales rep in there. The Portage Pfizer plant is located near me, if I take that route I would pass it each day taking my daughter back and forth to school. There have been many layoffs an dthey have a couple buildings for sale. Yes they had problems with a few drugs, drugs that helped people and I am one of those individuals that clearly believe, if the medication works, let me make the choice concerning the side effects. I spose this guy that obviously knows very little about western medicine is our popup guy and we can view him as the "Jester". Dunno.....he just doesn't get it I guess.He is attempting to brainwash and convince, as you can all clearly see...IT ISN"T WORKING!!!!!!!!!!! The sales reps dont chase us down, or bug us, they do bring us pens---which we love---and alot of times they drop off pizza or donuts. Totally different experience. We have also had drug reps come and give the nurses an inservice on how to use life-saving cardiac drugs.
As far as side effects, there many more who do not have side effects from drugs. When there are adverse reactions affecting an large number of people, at least the FDA can pull it. With herbals, there is no regulation on the purity or consistancy of ingredients or even the processing and packaging. Herbals are powerful, that is true, and for that reason people need some sort of monitoring. There is a growing increase in the number of reliable resources available to patients who want to use herbal medications. But there is still a risk there, just like any other drug. Herbals could be great, but it is a common misconception that they are all safe all of the time. Cocaine is natural to...dont see to many people with chronic fatigue looking to do some coke!
Now, that said, the true debate here really is not east vs. west, herbal vs. medicinal, or who has read the most articles on the whole subject. The original issue was the posting of messages inappropriatly, out of context and in an attempt to sell others on a product, book, website, person, way of thinking. There is a point when a line is crossed between gentle suggestion and persistant harrassment. The line was crossed along time ago. It is time for it to stop. The administrator on this board would like us to notify the moderator anytime there are salespersons or other pushy peoply bothering the members. So for anyone reading this that has the intent to sell or manipulate, you need to know now that you are not welcome here by the members who post here, the readers who read here, and the group that moderates and administrates for this board. I clearly am not speaking for myself only, but for the group.
Yes, i too hate people who spam, but you know, that is 90% of the internet, so i just let it go and move on and don't let it trouble me. I suffer from RA, one of the worst cases you can imagine. I understand what it is like to want to give up and hate the world and hate this and that, but I just can't let it get to me. Let it go. Ignore it, complain to the site owner if it happens again, but other than that, ignore it. We all know there is no miricle cure yet and if there was a doctor would come out with it and it would be posted in the news everywhere. I understand how frustrated people can get from things like this. But I hope we are all aware that these things are spam and that we shouldn't jump immediately into any new drug without the help of our doctors. Just don't let it eat you alive. The post was frustrating to me that I didn't real the whole thing, so maybe I missed something. boy oh boy I 'm not around for a couple days and everything goes nuts!!!!
ps Crunchy you're the bomb xoxoxox I am feelin' the love yall!!
And I hear ya when you say ignore it---that was even my own advice once upon a week ago! But I guess I just kinda snapped when this koko-nut started in on Fiona on one of the other threads. I really wish this was not even an issue here and it doesnt have to be anymore. From now on we just need to report any trolllers to the admin.---besides in all truthfulness, this has kept us busy and somewhat entertained to say the least. It is kind of like our own little AI version of Jerry Springer!
What are all these fuss? I firmly stated NO DRUG, HEALTHY & CORRECT FOODS to the world at large. IT WORKS FOR ARTHRITIS! In all treatments the conclusion is whether "Does It Work" This statement is for others to pick up and make lifestyle changes. Many people follow the "Natural Zone" or "Biological Zone". You have your cocktail of drugs to persue for a cure and go ahead. You have your curative methods of accepted orthodox treatment with drugs. You follow your Twilight Zone. Your substances are all about sales pit, giving names, making sweeping statements, about this guy and thay guy where is the logic!!! Kokako88 you have gone over the line!!! You have your beliefs fine and dandy, but you do not have the right to insult the people of this board!!!! I know what book your are talking about and let me tell you that person is not a certified anything, so go peddle your insults some where else and leave the good people of this board alone, they have stated they are not interested in your statements or your quotes, so in other words stop the foolishness now!!!
ps I am done wit this post because this person thinks they know everything and no matter what we say they are just going to continue to rant. Such anger kokako 88 isn't good for ra either!! I just have to say this because, well it is the truth, and it needs to be said. Contrary to what you may believe, we do not see advertisments for the medications which we are taking. I can honostly say that for a while, years ago, I think Celebrex ran a commercial but it was general and not focused on RA/OA. The only one that I do see is for Tylenol Arthritis, and I have commented on this in a previous post...Tylenol Arthritis is a joke. Tylenol is good for some things but not RA. Most of us are well aware of the differences between acetominaphen and NSAIDS. So I can truthfully say that I have had more advertisement on this board for products than I have ever seen on television (and I watch alot of TV). Also if you read the posts and signitures you will find that the majority of us are on generic drugs, so the whole theory of our RD's being influenced by drug reps is a wash. Prednisone, methotrexate and folic acid are all generics. Ibuprofen and naproxen are generic as well. The good doctor writes for generic where possible to ensure that his patient can afford the medications which based on scientific clinical studies have proven to be the most effective for his patients condition. I work with doctors on a daily basis. These men and women are real people who work hard to do the right thing by their patients. They work the long hours and endure alot of stress and liability because they care about people, they want to touch lives---and hopefully make them just a little bit better. I am no fool, I know that healthcare in general terms is alot about money. But we all do what we do because of a calling to meet the needs of others. It is important not to let a few bad experiences cause us to make generalizations. The fact is that most doctors are trying their best to make people better, and their best is based on phenominal educations. I have had the pleasure to work with and be friends with several medical doctors who are exceptionally intellegent and really wonderful people.
""Your substances are all about sales pit,"" You leave my Rheumatologist and his sales reps out of this. He has studied for many years, passed more exams than you will ever see in a lifetime, has more certifications than you can count on one hand and is head of the AMA. THat is the American Medical Association is case you are not familiar with it. To add to this he is a good friend, my confidantwe and saved me from RHeumatoid damage and helped me through one of the worst times of my life. So think twice before you mock our ways of medicine, think three times before you insult me because you are also insulting my Rheumatologist. WE need drug companies and I like their pens too and many times I have recieved free meds from them when I simply had no money because I WAS SO SICK WITH THIS DISEASE I COULD NOT WORK> I have a degree, I have researched, do not INSULT MY intelligence or the good RD's of this world. I am so glad that there are other forums to go to of which I am a member of and you cannot insult us there cause guess what...on those boards you will get kicked off! I too have fed you enough words of argument to feed your cause or your ego, whichever it may be. I too will not be giving you anymore attention. I hate to waste my time on such foolishness. How you come about the word "insulting". The authors of some of those books are also American doctors. They wrote books expressed their experiences and views. Nobody is interfering your believe and the drug companies, the way you work on "this disease", insult your intelligence nor your academic degree, research and your ideal - the good RD's of this world. Others do not fit your bill, you are not going to shut NewsWeek down, withdraw all books that encourage the world at large not to use drug in libraries, Spa and Health Foods Clinics in America, Europe etc. I repeatedly mentioned you have your world and methods of drug treatment, others have theirs. Because of these I will get kicked off! That's really reflect the selfish way of thought, tyranous behaviour, thinking and attitude. What sort of mentality you have, erase all records of Egyptian hieroglyphics, the Bible, Hypocrates etc. all herbal remedies. Toll the way you think! The World Health Organization has estimated that at least 80% of the world's population relies mainly, if not totally, on natural medicines. Try to wipe them out!!!!! BB-I couldnt help it but to laugh when in the middle of your serious rant you threw in the "and I like their pens too"! So funny.
Tara L - You are making a sweeping statement. Which statements make no sense? Please illustrate and elaborate. You are again long winded, I have been repeatedly posted to you and others in your dom that nobody is interfering the right of choice in drugs treatments, your lots of research, the exchange and support amongst your group. You and others in your dom keep the belief and assesment that you all deem correct. What I make statements are my and others who share similiar, related experiences, views and common belief that herbs and correct healthy foods still can work on theirs chronic diseases without drugs. Professional medical doctors, researchers, naturopathic doctors, nutritionists, herbalists, and sufferers of arthritis and other chronic diseases are contributors and attesting "it works" in this approach. What your dom belief is impossible without drugs with RA, it does not rule out others MUST BE THE SAME. By using arm twisting and slurring tactics and making unreasonable means to discredit without reasonable grounds are tyrannous act. I like to let the world at large know that through the use of appropriate herbs and correct natural foods without drugs can rejuvenate and build up the body system to stop pain and gradually reverse chronic diseases like arthritis that I have suffered previously for over 2 decades. This statement is a true and is not for you dom to believe so please ignore. It is intended for others who pursue the path of healthy foods and healthy living. I can appreciate those that use alternative theropy verses toxic medications like so many of us do....please don't misunderstand that. What I can't appreciate is anyone who comes into a forum that is friendly, respectful and supportive and causes such negative vives as you have caused here KokaKo. Is there a single person here that would support your continued presents in our forum here? Granted I have not read ALL of the threads your involved in....but the ones I have read left me feeling rather sorry for you? Do you not understand that your advise is not really appreciated here? I imagine there is a forum out there somewhere that might appreciate your point of view. As of now....I don't think its AI. Why do you continue to visit here? Lovie-if ever the use of word understand first you must understand yourself. There again you seem not to understand "your advise...." I am not in a position at all to advise. What I stated are my experiences as arthritis sufferer without drugs also can do and can work too, lal
I brought in inferences, publications, doctors, researchers, nutritionists who share a common goal of relieving pain and uplifting of health and reversing gradually chronic diseases. If the belief and common goal are different, how can I expect? Unfriendly accusations, ostracizism, unsensible remarks, unruly attitudes etc.. It can refer to a case in over 360 years ago, Galileo invented the telescope.Through his telescope he found that the Earth actually revolves around the Sun but that information contradicted the existing thought of that time - that the Earth was the centre of the Universe and the Sun revolved around the Earth. It went against the prevailing ideas, whcih were the teachings of the church, he was forbidden to publish his works and none of them would look into his telescope as if he had commited a crime then. Only recently the church formally removed his "crime".
And by the way that last paragraph in your post is plagarized, 'cause we all know that is a direct copy from someone elses words (with the exception of the mis-spelled words and typos). Lovie, your attempt at being kind and understanding just brought on more of his piss-poor attitude. There is no way to ever make him happy. AZ showed interest, you showed kindness, it is not about selling things or pushing thing or ideas on people who dont want them...it is being a jerk and antagonizing people. Unfortunatly I have to deal with vagrants in the ER and I guess they will be here too. Even if they are on the other side of the planet. So no matter what "clever" little response he or his buddies come up with to our posts, we need to ignore all of them. lal... Hey all, I don’t usually post to topics with this kind of heat, but I just can’t let some things go without my cynical comments. Very succinct! Later y’all! DFWmike "lal
Likewise WTF is a polite attribute to you. It is like you as you are fond of this expression. So WTF is attested to you! This answer your Q5. As for Q1 WTF you provided an answer that "Prusiner didn't discover mad cow! He helped forward the theory that prions cause the disease." Good on you WTF
The answer: He (Dr Prusiner) found great similarity between scrapie and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. He discovered mad cow disease and found the disease agent. He name the disease agents "prions". His theory contrary to most scientists' assumption that slow diseases are caused by slow viruses. "For some slow diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, this may be so. But Prusiner believes, in that certain other slow diseases, in particular those that affect the nervous system, are caused by something that may be far smaller and stranger than viruses". Q2 Please ignore WTF don't scroll, skip next time! Q3 WTF you are real hero to the opposite sex in your dom. Keep it up WTF. Rubber Ball bouncing back to You
By the way DFW...is that where you live?
This is more fun than force feeding a 3 year old spinach.. I think that kokako88 is perhaps none other than Dr. Stanly Prusiner who continues on with his shameless self promotion. Or maybe he is just a person with has mad cow?? Yeah, I’m stooping to his level, but when you’re “WTF” you get to do that. DFWmike ROCK ON MIKE YOU ARE NUMBER 1 IN OUR BOOK
WTF, glad to have another fellow Texan here...I am just barely north of Houston...not quite as picturesqe as your neck of the woods. I was actually leaning more towards the Bird Flu, you know maybe a little fever and delerium. But a Doctor? No, there is no way he has a doctorate in anything...of course, I am not really a nurse either. I am getting paid by the makers of methotrexate. In fact, what am I doing here...my yacht awaits! ps crunchy I'm a real good cook too so I can make the meals
Also, you don't want to mess with a gang of women in pain. The result won't be pretty.
LOVE YOU,REPLY.THIS GUY IS HILARIOUS MAKES MY DAY.
NEW TO PC,S-NEW TO FORUM-LONG TIME WITH RA.TYPING WITH ONE FINGER IF THIS POSTS I,LL REALLY BE SURPRISED.MY GOD IT WORKED.JUST READ MY RELY I,M NOT FROM THE CAYMAN ISLANDS I,M CANADIAN,A. [QUOTE=arizonara]
Also, you don't want to mess with a gang of women in pain. The result won't be pretty.
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I love that. I'm going to have to post that on my fridge.
I've been trying to ignore this person but sometimes it gets to be annoying especially if we're in pain at the time.
Have a good day all.Gaff-your posts are also funny-we can make fun of you-we been in your situation!!
Congratulations.
Yes, I have shared that sentiment in a previous post as well AZ. I just will never understand how gout turned into arthritis. Maybe it did, maybe it didnt. But then why not state that earlier. Like it matters anyways, I have already been soured to this one. Loving family, beautiful children, rewarding career, nice house, lots of friends, clear conscience, sweet dreams. Life really is great!crunchy
thanks for the yall!-eh!KEBOB MAKES A GOOD COURT JESTER.I HAVE TO MAKE FISH AND CHIPS TODAY FOR 12 PEOPLE AND ONLY HAVE ONE PIECE OF HADDOK.THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SAY HADDOCK,MY FINGER DOES NOT GO WHERE I POINT IT.JESTER YOU WORKER OF MIRACLES CAN YOU SOMETHING WITH MY PIECE OF FISH SO I CAN FEED THE MASSES?
rep - but I sell newspaper ads. A good salesperson sells with
integrity - by treating your customer as you would like to be treated.
Insulting your customer's intelligence is a bad way to try to make a
sale! Herbals are great if they work for you but they are
SUPPLEMENTS - hence the name they supplement other things that
are proven.
This person pushing herbals is not selling with integrity. We've all
dealt with pushy salespeople. That's not what I come here for - I
come here to read crunchy's and other's posts because they inspire
me to push a little harder. Crunchy hit the nail on the head - if there
were a miracle cure for this - you can bet your sweet bottom that it
would be mass distributed. There would be no need to harass and
insult people to try to sell your product. You would have people
beating down your door to invest in your company!
As for the gout/RA thing - I don't think that one can morph into the
other - I think there could be a misdiagnosis like in my case. The
mtx is making a difference after 2 months. I have had 2 days in a
row now where I feel decent. Its a "2" out of "10" on the pain level
and I can keep up with work and my kids busy sports schedules.
Life is what you make of it - my doc saved my life by getting me off
the gout medication and getting my diagnosis right.
Please try to market your products in more mainstream ways. We are
simply a group of people who need encouragement from each other.
Sorry guys, I'm a newbie but I'm vocal!
Dee
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