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MOST HERE ARE PROBABLY FROM AN UPPER MIDDLE CLASS OR HIGHER BACKGROUND AND HAVE NEVER MISSED A MEAL IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. YOUR PARENTS ALWAYS FED YOU WELL WITH LOTS OF TREATS AND GOODIES JUST LIKE WE GIVE OUR PETS THAT GIVES THEM DISEASE. MOST IF NOT ALL OF YOU IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM LIKE A CAR YOU TAKE IT TO THE SHOP TOSS THE KEYS TO THE MECHANIC AND SAY FIX IT, WHEN YOU GET SICK YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR TOSS YOURSELF INTO HIS OFFICE AND SAY FIX IT, TAKING NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH THINKING WELL I EAT GOOD, I COOK EVERYTHING FROM SCRATCH AND I DON'T DO THIS AND I DON'T DO THAT AND ON AND ON OFFERING REASONS WHY YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THE DISEASE. THE TRUTH IS WE ARE EXPOSED TO MORE TOXINS IN A SINGLE DAY THAT PEOPLE IN 1900 HAD IN THEIR ENTIRE LIVES ON AN AVERAGE. WHAT ABOUT THAT? WHAT ABOUT THE LIVER BEING SO OVERWHELMED IT CAN NO LONGER KEEP UP WITH THE TOXIC OVERLOAD. ALL OF YOU MAKE ME SICK, BECAUSE ALL OF YOU ARE PAMPERED LITTLE CHILDREN THAT ACCEPT NO RESPONSIBILITY AND WANT SOMEBODY ELSE TO FIX THE PROBLEM. I PUKE ON YOU ALL. YOU ALL DISGUST ME, NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK BUT BECAUSE OF THE ATTITUDE. IT IS UNIVERSAL HERE, ALL THE SAME EVERY SORRY LAST ONE OF YOU EXACTLY THE SAME ATTITUDE.ronbn562011-03-31 09:47:54I haven't read most of your posts because, frankly, I haven't been on here. However, if the above statement is true then the ancestors of our past who weren't privy to preprocessed foods would have been disease free and they obviously weren't. How do you explain that?[QUOTE=kweenb]I haven't read most of your posts because, frankly, I haven't been on here. However, if the above statement is true then the ancestors of our past who weren't privy to preprocessed foods would have been disease free and they obviously weren't. How do you explain that?[/QUOTE]

gluttons,pigs,alcoholics and other body abusers have been around since man stepped out of the cave and took to the plow and started eating wheat.

ronbn562011-03-31 16:15:51[QUOTE=SnowOwl]People who glorify "the good old days" haven't studied history. Only the privileged few ate well, or much. Foods were badly preserved, a lot of what was categorized as disease or demons was food poisoning, parasites were commonplace. The average life span was considerably less than the current era and childbirth was dangerous, infant mortality and death from what are now easily treated infections were also commonplace. Foodstuffs were much more likely to be adulterated, crops and animal husbandry were pitifully liable to fail as they fell to plant and animal diseases, malnutrition weakened populaces and lack of clean water and poor hygiene left them ripe for plague and mass deaths.

Anybody interested in an overview of our "healthy" past should at least read, "The Good Old Days: They Were Terrible", by Otto L. Bettmann. He also covers the lack of human rights and the brutal struggles people endured with quiet desperation. Of course it wasn't all terrible, but it's naive and a little silly to believe "the past" was healthier than the present or that people had more freedom from disease and ate better than the average person does in this current era. People ate whatever they could get their hands on, and were often desperate for sugar, fat, calories, and anything that tasted good and didn't leave their teeth broken from gravel in flour, or their insides infested. Every woman who lost a tooth for each baby she bore, who died of "milk fever" because what passed for doctors didn't even have the knowledge of germ theory so they went straight from amputating a gangrenous limb to delivering a baby without washing their hands, every child who subsisted on a diet of heavily salted, half-rotten meat if they were lucky enough to get that, would be in simple awe of what we are blessed with today in health and nutrition and employment and education.

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Those you are referring to had the same bodies we have now. Geneticaly identical to those bodies of people that lived over 10,000 years ago when men were hunter gathers and hunted game on foot eating berries and any other raw foods they could find. The human body is designed for that kind of diet of feast and famine,heavy hard work and dangerous lives. Nobody is saying they were the good old days but those are the genes we carry today and that is the way the body is designed to work at peak effeciency.

SORRY I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THOSE THAT EXPECT DRUGS TO CORRECT THE ABUSE THEY HAVE DONE TO THEIR BODIES.

The above is your ridiculous sig line Ronb.

First off, I for one dont want/need/desire/yearn for/crave/expect etc your sympathy. And I am sure nobody else at AI does either.

Secondly, The drugs I take HAVE helped immensely and I dont even have side effects, whodda thunk it huh?

Thirdly, do not ever assume that RA sufferers have created the problem by abusing their bodies!! That is such a crackup.....

I have never said this kind of thing before but matey, if there was a way I could give you a huge dose of RA I would send it to you express. And I hope that one day you get some godawful disease and that you find the only thing that will help is drugs. DRUGS!

And that is inevitable.

[QUOTE=SnowOwl]You're guilty of specious argument, Ron. Fossil evidence doesn't bear out that our ancient ancestors were healthy or well-fed. Cave paintings made by prehistoric man are perhaps evidence of how much they valued meat as a nutritional source. Comparative biology and anthropology is risky and often misused to support claims that are only useful when like is compared to like in a modern context. We can say pretty conclusively that a diet that's full of empty calories and saturated fats is bad for us. We can't say conclusively that ancient man was healthier or better fed, ancient man was a subsistence consumer and ate whatever he could gather or kill, and probably was constantly on the edge of malnutrition as seasons and migration patterns dried up their nutritional staples.

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[/QUOTE] we carry the genes of the 10000 year old man like it or not. That man was not built for drugs and body pollution we get today.Even those of a hundred years ago were not exposed to nearly as much toxic garbage as we get today. Our diets today are what would have been considered gluttony by earlier generations that had no refrigeration or packaged food. Those of you posting here probably never missed a meal in your life. Your colons are most likely full of toxic matter, many have candida and other modern problems from overuse of antibiotics and sweet food. ronbn562011-03-31 17:39:42[QUOTE=LyndeeNZ]SORRY I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THOSE THAT EXPECT DRUGS TO CORRECT THE ABUSE THEY HAVE DONE TO THEIR BODIES.

The above is your ridiculous sig line Ronb.

First off, I for one dont want/need/desire/yearn for/crave/expect etc your sympathy. And I am sure nobody else at AI does either.

Secondly, The drugs I take HAVE helped immensely and I dont even have side effects, whodda thunk it huh?

Thirdly, do not ever assume that RA sufferers have created the problem by abusing their bodies!! That is such a crackup.....

And that is inevitable.

[/QUOTE] sorry to burst your bubble deary but thats not the only thing to help me and I would conquer the disease with ease unlike you and your fellow closed minded people.I know what cases it and I know how to cure it and you would to if you were not so damn ignorant. I do not fear arthritis,cancer , diabetes, or osteoporsis because I know they are all nutrition related disease, not drug defiency disease. ronbn562011-03-31 17:41:43[QUOTE=ronbn56][QUOTE=LyndeeNZ]SORRY I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THOSE THAT EXPECT DRUGS TO CORRECT THE ABUSE THEY HAVE DONE TO THEIR BODIES.

The above is your ridiculous sig line Ronb.

First off, I for one dont want/need/desire/yearn for/crave/expect etc your sympathy. And I am sure nobody else at AI does either.

Secondly, The drugs I take HAVE helped immensely and I dont even have side effects, whodda thunk it huh?

Thirdly, do not ever assume that RA sufferers have created the problem by abusing their bodies!! That is such a crackup.....

And that is inevitable.

Just because there are no side effects yet does not mean they will not appear in the future. How many posts have you read here where people suddenly developed side effects and had to switch drugs. All drug therapy fails, if not right away at some time in the future. I invite you to consider what I suggest and at least think about beating this monster. Its simple but not easy and requires a great deal of self discipline.

ronbn562011-03-31 17:52:23[QUOTE=SnowOwl][QUOTE=ronbn56]we carry the genes of the 10000 year old man like it or not. That man was not built for drugs and body pollution we get today.Even those of a hundred years ago were not exposed to nearly as much toxic garbage as we get today. Our diets today are what would have been considered gluttony by earlier generations that had no refrigeration or packaged food. Those of you posting here probably never missed a meal in your life. Your colons are most likely full of toxic matter, many have candida and other modern problems from overuse of antibiotics and sweet food. [/QUOTE]

I'm guessing you haven't studied anthropology or evolution. Define "toxic matter". Toxins to us, toxins to ancient man, toxins is toxins, it isn't a modern concept or confined only to refined matter. From what we've been able to tell from fossils and what soft tissue exists (mummies, bodies found in peat bogs or ice), man has always struggled with disease and health problems, and their diet was "natural", they ate what they found or caught, they didn't use modern preservatives or breathe automobile exhaust. In fact the average modern couch potato is probably more disease resistent than even the healthiest specimen from 10,000 years ago, our immune systems have had a long time to meet other immune systems and develop antibodies. Ancient man was an opportunistic eater and didn't watch his waistline or exercise for health, though dodging predators and chasing down food kept him busy. Throwing the word "genes" into your argument doesn't validate it.

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are you kidding you need a definition for the hundreds of toxins we are exposed to daily in our food, our water,our air our pharmacuticals? whats wrong with you. Our defense systems are weaker than they were ten thousand years ago with all the toxins, antibiotics and other contamination not to mention the lack of exercise. Are you ok or are you trying to justify your disease ? You want to convince yourself that this was a random occurance and not something you or or society did to your body? You want to convince yourself that this disease would have got you even if you were living in some hut ten thousand years ago. Not so, and its what you have done to yourself. Your very attitude indicates your failure to let your body heal itself with the magical healing powers within the body if only you would allow it and not supress the healing ability of your own body.