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20/20 Research Online is currently conducting a research project with people who HAVE been diagnosed with GOUT.  We are inviting people across the country to participate in a telephone interview that will be taking place on Tuesday, June 21^st, Wednesday, June 22^nd or Thursday, June 23rd. 

 

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We’d like for you to participate in a very brief (3-5 minutes) online survey to see if you qualify for the study. 

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too bad i just found this web site....my husband had gout so many times last year. we learned much about diet (he is unable to take meds because he is kidney transplant)and have it under control. no bouts with it now for 8 months. want to know the secret that works for him?

Diane

diane i just diagnosed with gout i have been in much pain for many days please tell me the secret that works for him

 

thanks

and god bless

Sorry you have gout.  You can find gout info under "Emergency Gout Treatments" section in http://www.ICuredMyGout.org .  Take care.
can anyone tell me if shrimp is an ok food to eat on the gout diet

Curious as to your question Conda. I have RA...not gout; although there at first I had a horrible time with that first joint on my feet.

But I'm highly allergic to seafood. Shellfish inparticular. I've never heard anthing mentioned about seafod and any form of rhumatic illness. Have you? I'm quite interested in seeing the replies to this.

Welcome. Hope you'll stick around and get to know some of us. We don't have too many with Gout that I know of; but we all seem to be affected by alot of the same things.

Welcome again.

Lovie

RE: "Can anyone tell me if shrimp is an ok food to eat on the gout diet" by conda.

Certainly.  Shrimps contain only about 2.5 times as much uric acid as bananas or wheat.  Just don't eat way too much. The following is the approximate uric acid content of some foods and drinks.

Food & drinks (100 grams)...Uric acid content (mg.)
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Apple...........................................15
Asparagus...................................25
Banana........................................60
Bean sprout, soy..........................80
Beef...........................................120
Beer.............................................15
Broccoli........................................80
Carrot..........................................20
Cauliflower...................................50
Cherry, sweet...............................10
Cheese, cottage...........................10
Chicken......................................120
Grape...........................................30
Ham............................................130
Liver, ox.......................................555
Liver, pig......................................510
Lobster........................................120
Mushroom.....................................60
Pork............................................140
Raisins........................................110
Salmon.......................................170
Shrimp........................................150
Tofu..............................................70
Wheat, whole grain.......................50
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"... A rigid purine restricted diet is of dubious therapeutic value and can rarely be sustained for long", so says a gout expert, professor a. G. Fam in "gout, diet, and the insulin resistance syndrome" at http://www.Jrheum.Com/subscribers/02/07/1350.Html

There are many other things gout patients can do to prevent gout besides to be on a low purine diet.  They can be found in section 2 of http://www.icuredmygout.org/ . 
JYY138589.381423611188
ronbn562011-03-24 11:09:38OO
ronbn562011-03-24 11:08:59Again Ron, shut up.  Are you a medical professional? Nope.  Just someone with some "cure" to try to push on people.  I've had it with idiots like you.  

What a peculiar and hostile reply by female poster "wayney!" 

Most of Ron's comments seem to make sense, except that gout is not necessarily a lifestyle disease at all.  In my case gout stems from side effects of two drugs I've been taking.  I just eliminated one (hydrochlorothiazide) and hope to eliminate gout.

 

The cherries Ron recommends to prevent gout have some studies on them that suggest they work for at least some people.  His idea of staying away from drugs is a little extreme but does make sense when non-drug treatments are available.  In my case the allopurinol I was taking produced a rash, which can suggest potentially fatal liver toxicity.  Drugs often cause problems in the long term.

The vegetarian diet Ron recommends also makes sense, especially in the case of soy products.  It is clearly established that meat products can have serious health effects.  Not to acknowledge that fact is just another example of the defense of self deception (protecting and maintaining your delusional beliefs by denying the existence or relevance of opposing evidence and logic, or simply escaping from the evidence and argument). 

Celery and especially celery seeds act as a diuretic and increase the excretion of uric acid.

So in my case, discontinuation of a drug (HCTZ) accompanied by daily consumption of 1/2 pound of dark fruit like cherries and drinking of a tea made from a tablespoon of celery seeds may prevent gout.

The fruit and celery seeds have other positive nutritive characteristics instead of unwanted side effects.

 

Don,
My post was what it was because this Ron person told people in other threads that they were at fault for their OA.   Yes, it was hostile but I don't care.  Because I am tired of people who come on this board touting some cure for various diseases when they have no credentials, and repeatedly say that we're all to blame for our diseases.   No one tells me I'm to blame for  RA, OA, fibro and osteoporosis especially when I was diagnosed as a child.   And for your information, yes my name is Wayney and yes I am in fact a female.   Either that or I'm a medical miracle since I gave birth three years ago.  

I find it interesting that for your only post on this board, you choose to question something so silly as the sex of a person who has been involved with this group off and on since it began.  

Are you really Don? Or are you Ron in Dons clothing? Seems like a sadistic little game you 2 are playing.I'm new to this type of forum - so please be patient.  I have a question.  My husband has been treated for gout for about 6 months with allupurinol, probenecid - and diclofenac taken twice a day.  His kidney values were not good so they took him off the diclofenac (and avapro-his blood pressure med). Within 24 hours he was and still is in great pain.  His feet and ankles have swollen and are painful, his wrist is painful, as is his left arm.  I am talking hugh pain - he can not walk or use his arm and hand.  The doctors have prescribed cochicine.  Has anyone ever experienced this?  I keep thinking he is having a rebound affect to stopping the diclofenas so abruptly.I am very sorry your husband has a gout attack.  Yes, I agree with you that sudden stopping of diclofenac triggered the attack.  If the pain is intolerable, he can ask the doc for an injection of steroid.  It can relieve the pain almost instantly.  More gout info can be found at:
http://www.ICuredMyGout.org .
Good luck.

ronbn56,     ln answer to.    l have contracted painful Gout again in my knee and l know precisely why, l purchased a large quantity of my favourite very highly spiced sausages,& sardines all high in purine and l over indulged, l might add.l was on aspirin,& probably drinking far to much tea, (15 cups per day) & alcohol  and have lost 1 stone in weight due to slimming, so all things to bring on gout, l did it!!!, l only have myself to blame, but l would like to tell you of a miracle cure, one level teaspoon of bicarbanate of soda in water,(adjusts alkaline) one glass in morning, same midday, and same again before going to bed at night, this combined with plenty of water drunk,(drink plenty of water it helps flushes yuric acid out) and avoid high purine foods,this will do the trick, no need for all these expensive pills potions etc.This has worked for me and plenty of others.

I am very glad to learn you have successfully treated your gout with baking soda (bicarbonate of soda) in water.  I am writing to point out that one teaspoon of baking soda per serving is twice as much as manufacturer's direction and can be detrimental to health.  See section 2 of http://www.ICuredMyGout.org for proper use and the side effects of baking soda.

lf you read article correctly, it states one LEVEL teaspoon, ie this equates to half a teaspoon, as recommended measure.

l found many drug cures for gout detrimental and l felt like a zombie whilst taking them, bicarbonate of soda every one is familiar with when taken for say indigestion, an every day keepsake in the cupboard, l have never known any one to fall prey of it. rarfr3nch@tisca38658.114525463

[QUOTE=tiana]Are you really Don? Or are you Ron in Dons clothing? Seems like a sadistic little game you 2 are playing.[/QUOTE]

 

The above comment along with Wayney's demonstrates how partisanism - in this case, apparently sexism - can distort a person's interpretations.  I never imagined "Wayney" was anyone but a female - a woman - but both she and Tiana apparently concluded falsely that I imagined otherwise.

"Sadistic."  What a truly distorted impression!

 

Keep up the bizarreries, they make the list more interesting!

Don Laird

 

 

RE: rarfr3nch@tisca's posts:

"lf you read article correctly, it states one LEVEL teaspoon, ie this equates to half a teaspoon, as recommended measure.

"l found many drug cures for gout detrimental and l felt like a zombie whilst taking them, bicarbonate of soda every one is familiar with when taken for say indigestion, an every day keepsake in the cupboard, l have never known any one to fall prey of it."

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A teaspoon of baking soda is a LEVEL (measuring) teaspoon of baking soda, which weights about 4.4 grams and contains 1.2 grams of sodium.  The directions on my baking soda box says take 1/2 teaspoon for each serving.  I believe one level teaspoon of baking soda per service is twice as much as the recommended dose and may be too much for an average person.  Ask a doctor or a pharmacist to see if one level teaspoon per serving of baking soda is appropriate for you.

Use of baking soda as directed is generally safe for a healthy person.  But it has its side effects which includes: upset stomach, stomach cramps, severe headache, weakness, vomit that resembles coffee grounds, blood in urine or stool, edema, hypertension, metabolic alkalosis (a medical emergency), ... It may not be appropriate for persons who are on certain medicines and have certain medical conditions such as hypertension, heart, kidney and liver diseases.  To be prudent, consult a doctor before its use.
 

JYY138658.6701157407

I agree with Ron on selective food and stay away from drugs.  I was a gout sufferer in my early age of 20 from a side big toe base to gradually advance other toes ankles, knees, large tigh veins, soft tissues of hind knees of both legs when I reached 40. At advanced stage of flare up on single joint could quickly ascended to multiple joints attack, from swollen red to purplish dark with veins visible, any slight movement triggered excruciating pain. Normally duration of attack lasted 1-3months, sometimes as frequent as 3 times a year.

For the last 14 years I have not taken any drugs because I have gradually reversed gout to no attack. In fact I am a "master" of gout not a "slave" subject to pain throughout sleepless nights, helpless when powerful drugs and injections couldnot even elevated pain.

To become a "master" I have appropriate herb - wild lingzhi (ganoderma lucidum) not those cultivated ones that can be easily available in stores/mlm. This wild lingzhi can control pain, goes to the root of the problem to "change" uric acids, crystals into gases and toxic wastes and gradually dispose as farts, urines and stools. At the process of cleansing blood can be seen moving vigourouly in the veins that set off driggling of affected joints automatically.

Selective diet can keep a good balance to prevent frequent attack.

It is a fact that no drugs but appropriate herbs can reverse gout. To use herbs and benefits from them. In fact it is a breakthrough! If one does not have this experience it is difficult to change mindset and belief because there are so many cures when tried out the results can be disappointing. 

Hi folks,
I've just joined. The joint at the base of my big toe is getting choked with uric acid (I presume). An orthopaedic surgeon has described it as an osteocyte. The toe is losing flexibility. Not hurting much but I wonder if I should seek intervention now rather than later. Anyone with a similar experience?

TQ
in 2002 my husband had a bad "case" of gout.  at that time we research and found on the net a great "foods to avoid and foods to eat" for gout sufferers.. The list also had a cross-reference for those times when you may have had to eat one of the NO NO foods.  He has just had his upper teeth removed.  SO.. we slipped and have had several "mushy" gravy ladden dinners... and BAD BAD gout now.  does anyone have a site address i can get this info off of?  it was like if you had to eat shrimp have an extra serving of Avacado with strawberries... BY THE WAY this cure all worked... and we have been pretty faithful in eating healthy according to the GOUT DIET... doctors only seemed to be able to supply immediate cure.    The stress caused by surgery (and tooth removal?) is known to trigger gout.  I doubt the gravy is really the culprit.

"... a rigid purine restricted diet is of dubious therapeutic value and can rarely be sustained for long", so says a gout expert, Professor A. G. Fam in "Gout, Diet, and the Insulin Resistance Syndrome" at http://www.jrheum.com/subscribers/02/07/1350.html .  More gout info can be found at http://www.ICuredMyGout.org .  Good luck.

Mushrooms is one of the bad food sensitives for gout. It is likely "mushy" gravy can be the cause. In the book "Cooling Your Joints" highlighted the "British Medical Journal" reported a woman suffered RA using cornstarch as a thickening agent experienced frequent flared up. They eliminated the cornstarch, and almost immediately her symptoms disappeared again.

Take wild lingzhi (although a mushroom family is anti mushroom poisoning and anti yeast infection) and is very effective for gout. You may like to look at www.geocities.com/kokako88/mygout.html 

Gout a very painful type of arthritis, is in your body and when it flares up it is a "master" of the body.  It normally starts to attack single joint and continues other joints, it dictates the very painful swells, crippling the limbs or makes a patient bedridden. It is not a shadow of a patient but a dominance.

Fighting gout is a continuous process. When it attacks, there are 3 basics - 1. to effectively ease pain; 2. to fight the bad cells, "calm" and "immobalize" them and "change" them into gases and toxic wastes; 3. to gradually dispose as stools, urines and farts naturally.

What I need are appropriate wild lingzhi & complementary Chinese herbs that I brew for several hours and drink them 2 - 3 times a day until the cycle of attack is back to normal. 

Action: It is effective for pain and to track along the progress of attack. When the body is in it cleansing process, there will be continuous/repeated movements of blood in the veins. By this actions the twitching of affected joints, is very comfortable and soothing.

During attack always avoid deep dried foods, eat more selective vegetables and fruits and drink more water or juices. It helps digestive system to function more effectively.

when my brother was diagnosed with gout earlier this year, his doctor had put him on zyloprim (allopurinol) http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s3111-s-ZYLOPRIM.aspx. he was already suffering from acute pain before he went for a medical check up.now since he has been on that he is improving.he used to have terrible joint pains and that would go on for days. but now as his treatment is progressing he is feeling much better. but as always, you need medical advice before taking any medication Squirel, your brother has gout in the early stage, perhaps regular taking of allopurinol helps to control the excess uric acid. Not for long the disease will find its way to resist drugs. Age is also an important factor as one reaches 40's/50's he or she may experience frequent and serious attacks. Good luck to your brother.I was just diagnosed w gout, am feeling very down about it. My
big toe is in a huge amount of pain, and looking back over the
past ten years I can recognize that I've been having incidents of
this, but never nearly this bad. I had bunyon surgery on the
same big toe about twelve years ago so I always shrugged off
the swelling and pain and tightness in the joint as having
something to do with the bunyon surgery. I only finally went to
the doctor yesterday, because this attack was so bad that, like
everyone has described, I awoke in such severe pain that even
the blanket on my bed was excrutiating. I'm wondering what
made me have such an accute attack. Does anyone know if
breastfeeding and/or having just gone through pregnancy and
childbirth can affect the onset of a gout attack? I just had my
fourth child.

Jacuzzi, I do not know your question but I do know any metabolic changes and adjustments may cause flares like change of diet pattern, travel overseas, weather etc..

It is common to attack at the side of the toe. Yours is just beginning. It will spread to other toe joints, ankle and ascend to knee in one limb and continue to other limb's joints.

I treat my chronic gout with effective formula herbs and natural foods for over 15years.

To avoid frequent attacks it is wise to eat selectively and to have a good digestive system and toilet habit.

 

 

 

JYY138991.7062268518
JYY138991.7068402778 [QUOTE=Jacuzzi]I was just diagnosed w gout, am feeling very down about it. My
big toe is in a huge amount of pain, and looking back over the
past ten years I can recognize that I've been having incidents of
this, but never nearly this bad. I had bunyon surgery on the
same big toe about twelve years ago so I always shrugged off
the swelling and pain and tightness in the joint as having
something to do with the bunyon surgery. I only finally went to
the doctor yesterday, because this attack was so bad that, like
everyone has described, I awoke in such severe pain that even
the blanket on my bed was excrutiating. I'm wondering what
made me have such an accute attack. Does anyone know if
breastfeeding and/or having just gone through pregnancy and
childbirth can affect the onset of a gout attack? I just had my
fourth child.[/QUOTE]
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Hi Jacuzzi,

Very sorry you have gout and felt down about it.  But don't worry.  With proper understanding and management, gout can just be a nuisance.  Some people have gout attack only once in their lifetime.

Pregnancy and child birth have a lot to do with the mothers' blood uric acid (ua) level which can be related to gout.  The normal ua level of pre-menopausal women is less than 6 mg/dl.  Interestingly, the ua level of neonates in gestation decreases from 7.7 in weeks 29~33, 6.0 in weeks 34~37, to 5.2 in weeks 38~40.  In the contrary, the ua level of the pregnant mothers decreases significantly by 8 weeks gestation until about 24 weeks.  Thereafter, the ua level is increased  such that by term and through 12 weeks after the delivery, the ua level is higher than pre-pregnancy levels in most mothers.  The ua levels of some pregnant mothers who had pre-eclampsia or eclampsia were 9.1~11.0 mg/dl or higher.

Acute gout attacks can be triggered by sudden decrease of the blood ua level because the sudden change can cause the shedding of the protective protein coatings on mono-sodium urate (msu) crystals to expose the raw crystals to trigger the attacks.  This gout triggering phenomenon can occur to the mothers whose ua levels were very high 12 weeks after the delivery, and  then suddenly decreased to 6 mg/dl or lower afterwards.

Did your gout attack occurred around 12th weeks after the delivery?  If so, the above theory may apply.  I haven't read lactation is related to gout attacks.

As you have already done so, the first thing to do in a gout attack is to treat the attack to relieve the pain and the swelling.  If your ua level is high, you may want to lower it sometime after the attack has subsided.  If the attack is not resolved in several days to 2 weeks, or if it keeps coming back very often, you may like to see a rheumatologist to take care of the problem.  In the meantime, you may like to take a look at the gout info at: http://www.ICuredMyGout.org .

Good luck and take care.







  JYY139007.4330324074Hi JYY1,

Thanks for your reply and thanks also to Kokako88 for the
reply. To answer your question, JYY1, yes, it is almost 12
weeks since I delivered (July 24th was the baby's birth date.)   
A blood test revealed that my ua level was not exceedingly
high, however, and my doctor didn't feel medication was
necessary (he is my internist, not a specialist.) My attack has
already subsided significantly, with the help of an NSAID, I am
able to walk without wincing. I did check out your website, it is
a wealth.

Thanks to JYY I found the Icuredmygout.org site and found out about the baking soda cure. As baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) reportedly tastes awful, may I suggest ALKA-SELTZER HEARTBURN RELIEF as a substitute. Two capsules looks like 1/2 a teaspoon dose, and you get the sodium bicarbonate effect but with a nice lemony taste.

NOTE -It must be the Heartburn relief formula because that is the ONLY ONE with NO ASPIRIN.

I had a gout attach Friday in my left foot - followed the cherry juice and baking soda/alka-seltzer regime; was clear Saturday afternoon, and able to walk my dogs on Sunday. With Indomethacin I'd have been down for at leat two more days - and my OA knees feel better also. Thanks for this forum and the information exchange it really helped me a lot.

 

 

I am very glad your gout subsided quickly. 

A dose (2 tablets) of Alka-Seltzer Heartburn Relief (ASHR) contains 3.88 grams of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), 2 grams of citric acid, a sweetener, flavoring agents, etc.  It is significantly less alkalizing than the 3.88 grams (.77 teaspoons) of the plain bs it contains because the alkalinity of the bs in the tablets is reduced by the citric acid which is added to the tablets to make bubbles.  In order to achieve the same alkalinity, a person has to take more ASHR than the equivalent amount of the plain BS in ASHR.  This increases the intake of sodium and the side effects of bs.  Therefore plain Bs is better than ASHR because the plain BS has less side effects. Baking soda in water can taste bad.  But you can mix it with flavoring agents to make it palatable. 

Thanks for pointing out that aspirin containing alka-seltzer should be avoided.  Aspirin in low dosage (<2,000 mg a day) can trigger and exacerbate gout.

 

Hi Danny, I like to relate some brief experiences I have had prior to taking herbs and natural foods. I tried many alternate treatments as most sufferers do for over 20years but not promising, besides docs and medications. By then I have had inculcated the belief and determination to use natural foods and traditional herbs for treatment no matter what would be the outcome. 

Firstly, I was lucky to have found and read about wild Lingzhi (Ganoderma Lucidum). The choice was wild Lingzhi because it was a nutritional herb used to increase energy level and for treatment of many illnesses. It was treasured, recorded in well known historical medicine book as reliable 1st class herb. Secondly, for safety reason, herbs were plant and did not have any apparent side effect(if there was it would be minor) and did not harm the body. I did not know how effective wild Lingzhi could do to help my condition then. It was my last resort I could possibly do and hope for myself.

Today, I realise that herbs and natural foods are effective to treat gout & arthritis but also effective to detox the accumulated toxic effects of drugs I had taken for over 20 years.

For over 15 years I have not taken any drug. To other sufferers, medication (drugs) is part of their life (not separable becasue of pain). To me, no drug, herbs and natural foods work effectively.

What I do not take/avoid are:

1. chemical/preservative like drugs(medicine), canned foods, health supplements, foods with preservatives(including wine), carbonated drinks;

2. acidic fruits, peanut butter, chocolate, bean products, all internal organs of animals and birds, certain seafood and veg., deed fried foods etc that are bad for gout & arthritis;

With appropriate herbs and natural foods, I have gradually overcome the problem. I do not take herbs everyday. Gout and arthritis pose no threat anymore.

Natural foods, herbs, healthy body can change the condition of the disease to no threat.

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