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well  today  was  my  big  see  the    Rhummy   day.

The office  is  tucked  ina   bldg  that has   x  rays, ortho  docs,  phyisical therapy,  hand  docs, all in  the  same   building.

So I  was  nervous  as  all hell  and   even  tho  I  am in pain  and  suffering  I  so  keep hoping  to  God  this  is  something  besides   RA  . So  the  doc  seems  nice  but  for  the life  of me  I have  no idea  where  he  is  from but  he  kinda  looks  Indian  he  was  nice   and  so  we  went  thru  symptoms  he   and  his  med  student  yup  this  is a  teaching  university  hospital  so  I  should  have  expected  this   examined  me.

The  RD   says'  well   so  far  no bloodwork  shows  RA  and  my  exam of  you  today  I  see  no  signs  of  RA  however  we  will  take  more  blood  looking  for  very  specific    stuff  ccp?  and  some  bla-12   marker.

He  said  the  worst  case  this  is  RA  and  if  it  is  we  treat  very  very  agressive  at this  University  in  fact  our  treatment  is  very  hard  hitting  with  multi  drugs  because  we  beleive  we  simply  can not   wait  for  RA   to  catch up  with  us   so  we  treat  hard  and  aggressive.  The  good  news  is  I  do not  think  this  can be  RA  usually  by  now  we  would  see  some  physical  sign    but  we  will test  more  and  then I  asked  about   x  rays  and  he  said   yes  we  will   x  ray  your  hands  because  if  it's  RA  thats  where  we  will see  it  first.  So  in  some  ways  I  am  glad  but  have  to  wait  for  more  bloodwork  and  these  x  rays  now.

I  asked him  about  my  anti biotic  and  he  said  and  this  was  very  Interesting.. I  have  no problem  with you being  on minocin  for  now in fact  we  use  this  as  a  regular  treatment  in this  university.  So that was  surprising  I  mean he's  not  a   ap  doc  and  he  was  all for  the  use  of  ABX  in  arthritis  treatment he  said  its  a  good  treatment. Then he  was  kind  of  surprised  and  said  who put you  on  it?   and  I  said  well I  kinda  asked  my  pcp  and  he  was  like  well  ok  but   if  these  other  bloodwork  comes  back  negative  and  we  have  no  evidence  of  ra  at  all then  I  am not   sure  keeping  you  on  it  will be  needed  we  need   some  evidence  that you  have  a  rhumatic   disease  right  now  there  is  zip none.

but  I   sure  hurt  thats  the   suck  part  having  the  docs  have  no  clue  yet.  in  some  ways  I  am keeping  my hopes  up  that  it's  not  ra    I   don't  think  anyone  wants  that  having the  docs  quessing  is  no  good  either    but  onward  i   go.

I will ask  for  MRI if  the  x  rays  show  nothing  and  the bloodwork  comes  back  neg.  If  the  MRI  shows  nothing  well then  I  don't  know  I'll be  the  mystery  pt.

right  now  my  diagnosis  is  ...  Joint  pain.

So  I  am  in  medical  limbo  land  for  now  he  said  just keep  doing  what your  doing  for now  and your  pcp has  to  treat  pain  I  am  just   your  rhummy?  yup  his  exact  words  I am just  a  rhummy.

hmm I  thought  the  rhummy was  the  guy  who  had  all the  training  hehehehehehehehehe.  why  don't  rds  treat  pain?

that  baffles  me.

SO  more  bloodwork    some  xrays  and  waiting......

 

Hmmmmm.....

 

While I'm not saying I'm a doc, and know whats wrong - the statement that they would see RA in your hands first is pretty much bogus. That bothers me...You'll have a lot of people on here telling you what they think....That's all I have an opinion on at this moment.

Sounds like you did find someone who's very willing to treat you and who listens to you, and that is GREAT. I'm glad for that!

i hardly have any RA in my hands. Mine showed up first in my feet.

My RD treats my pain.

Sorry you didn't get further in your answers as you'd hoped. I'm sure it's hard being in limbo like you are and in so much obvious pain.

Have you used predisone before? When I was first dx'ed that was one of the indicators used to determine that I had an inflamatory illness. If the predisone helps it's like saying Yes; it's obvious there's inflamation involved.

Mark, I am sorry you did not get all the answers today but at least they are checking things out.  I have read the usually ra afflicts the smaller bones of the hands and feet first but I do not know this for sure. Do your hands hurt?  I would think it is possible for the ra to show up in other parts of your body.  My rheumy pretty much did a full body x-ray, something like 18 x-rays in all.  I would question why they are only doing your hands.

As far as the pain meds, if you are in pain from ra or some mystery joint thing, than the doctor treating that, the rheumy, seems to most likely to give you to pain pills?!  

I know its frustrating not have a "true" dx yet.  As you said, no one WANTS ra but its nice to know why we hurt so much.  All my blood work is negative.  However, I do have the classic x-ray changes.  Right this moment, I am labeled seronegative ra.  I do seem to have something else going on and I am not 100% convinced of the dx but I am going with it for now.  I am doing weekly humira and mtx injections and currently trying to get off steroids. 

Being on steroids really sucks to be honest but a short dose pack may help get things under control for you.  Did they say how long it would take for your test results?

Very interesting but different.

I had a recent surgery and was low on pain meds and happened to be at my rhuemys office. I asked him for a refill on my pain meds and he was a pain in the butt about it because I had pain meds from another doc... refill should have come from my surgeon.

I argued my case that I would be out of pain meds on Thursday but would not see ortho until Friday afternoon. I told him if he was that nervous about it to write a script for 4 pills, but I was insulted because in the 3 years I'd been his patient I'd never asked for narcotics only nsaids, and to check his records to verify. He wrote me a 1 month script.

So maybe that was where your doc was coming from - your pcp had been writing your scripts for pain meds?

If your feet hurt worse than your hands have those xrayed instead, usually shows first in hands or feet.

 

  4  weeks  uggg.    and  I  had  to ask  for  the  x  ray  he  would  have  let  me  walk away  with  just  another  blood test.

I  quess if  you  don't   fit  some   mold  you  confuse  the  hell outta  them  I   quess?

not  sure  why  4  weeks  but..  and  I  don't  know  why  the pcp has  to  treat  pain  maybe  since    he  can't   find  some    aha  thats   arthritis   thing  with  me  he's  relunctant?

  anyways  so that was  my  RD   experience  hehehe.

 SO  if  the  xrays  show  nothing  and  I  stil hurt  I  will have  to press  them  for  a  mri... its  just  kinda  sad  I  have  to  ask  they  should  be  doing this  stuff  I  think.

I  think  to many  docs  look at  bloodwork  only  probably more  than  they like   to  admitt.

and  if  the  mri  shows  nothing   and  I  hurt  well  crap  I   don't  know  after  that  then I'll be  in  medical    never  never  land  I   quess.

Mark, I just got xrays of my hands and feet for the first time today. After 6 years, you'd think they would done those and I had to demand them which I did after Roxy told me about hers.

RA didn't hit my joints as hard as it has hit my organs. And, the Rheumy from hell took the attitude that I don't have RA based on good bloodwork.

Part of the problem with the blood work is that inflammation comes and goes. Maybe they have finally suppressed the RA. That would be a great thought. However, it doesn't explain why my hands and feet are hurting me now so much after going off both the Enbrel and MTX. Or, why as I try to taper down on Pred, my pain overall is really intense.

You just have to do what you are doing and push these doctors for answers. If it does come back all clean, then say, "Don't leave me hanging here. I know something is wrong and I want it investigated further." They may send you away for another opinion and that will tell you a lot about what kind of doctor they are. You will be better off at that point with a second opinion.

Regarding the pain medications, the problem is the number of people who are abusing these type of medications. Doctors want to stay out of the middle of this because the federal government can come down hard on them if they prescribe something they shouldn't. That's why there is such a big push to send people to Pain Specialists. But this attitude leaves a lot of people in a bad spot. Some pain specialists make you sign legal documents and require blood and urine tests to make sure you are not over taking your medications. And, they will cut you off. With something like RA and FM where you get flares, I think this isn't a very good strategy.

I would rather have my Rheumy prescribe my pain meds and many of them do because if he is worth his salt then he will have a good idea how much pain I am in. It is important that only one doctor prescribes the meds. You probably can get your primary to do it by having the understanding that you are only going to go through him for them. Otherwise, ask to see a pain specialist. But try and find one that deals in both alternative treatments like injections, biofeedback, ultrasound, etc as well as medications.

But you have definitely made progress. If nothing shows up on the hands and feet, then ask for xrays of the areas that bother you the most.

Mark I do understand as I didn't fit the rheumy's mold but found Palindromic Rheumatism on my own and then the rheumy agreed, lol.  I then soon became obvious RA.  It may take a while for your symptoms and tests to become more obvious and hang in there while waiting.Mark, I had hands and feet xrays done last year. During my visit last month,
my rheumy told me that from now on they would only do my hands as latest
finding suggest only hands be monitored for RA progression. I have no
damage on xrays. It really makes me wonder if I don't have palidromic like
someone earlier posted. Mine sounds alot like this even though I only have
it in my small joints but mine seems to move around. I hope you get some
answers to your questions soon. This is the most frustrating illness I have
ever had. I know I want all the answers as soon as I could get them.

Hmm this all makes me wonder too.

It makes me wonder what the h*$@ they consider damage????

On some of my older reports (early elamentary school age) they state damage in my left wrist and right knee.

I had an MRI done on my right knee when I had my last Baker's Cyst back in 04 - some how they did not see "any significant damage"

 

HOW?!?!? I don't understand it. I am going to have SOOOOOOOOO many questions for my doctor when I finally get to see one.

Hang in there. It can take a long time to get diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. Took me 8 years.Mark - you may get your answer from that latest bloodwoork, especially the CCP.  An internist I saw recently told me that they are really using that test now to diagnose cases of seronegative RA, which I guess previously would have been dismissed by docs who only go by bloodwork.  All the best, Pat
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