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Because of all of the troublemakers on this board, I think it would be good to start a prayer group for them.  After all, we pray for those in pain, we pray for those that are grieving and we pray for the "have nots" in this world.  So because these troublemakers are SICK people, let's start praying for them. Don't laugh now, you know who you are and we know who you are. So let's do that and see what happens.  They must be so miserable to lash out the way they do,  Poor things! 
Let's start today!
I will add them to my prayers!I still maintain completely ignoring the trolls is the best policy. Please don't feed the troll.

now and then,

Who should we pray to? Who is your god? Can he or she speak or do you speak for your god? You are absolutely opening a bad can of worms here. If we are to pray then I belive that we should pray as we were taught. Let's pray that we all get what we deserve. then we will wait and see who gets good things and who gets bad things. We have no way of looking inside a person. Where do you get off with your god judging? Of course you remember the teachings about ...judge not lest you be judged. How 'bout this one...many shall come in my name, and surely i will say, i never knew you. Did your god give you a list of sick people or is it your list? And now you are what, the new "god people" moderator? Who are these people. Who is the we you speak of? You we's should say who you are and you should name the sick people. You know who they are. If you name them maybe your god will just turn them to ash. Poof. You would like that wouldn't you? So who do you pray to? It would be totally diferent if you were to post, let's all pray for each other. Not you, you come up with the we the good god people pray for the bad sick non god people. You absolutely need to pray for your own self. Any person that comes spewing this nonsense in gods name has no good god in them.

LEV

Lev's quote, "or the bad sick non god people.

Lev, I never said a word about them being non god people.  If you are a non believer, just wish them well.  C'mon now, be a good boy Lev.

and there is no mention of praying to a specific God....just pray to whomever you pray to and if you dont pray then dont, i dont see anyone holding a "gun" to your head making you do something you dont wanna do

That's not what he's saying - he's saying he doesn't want to be Prayed For.  LOL

Haven't you guys got this one figured out yet?

LMAO. I love you Karen. You kill me.

Karen you crack me up.  I loves yas chick! 

 


Whereas I question the motives of troublemakers I don't equate them with being sick.
My prayers are for all people suffering with any illness be healed in body and spirit.

Take Care
Watching, they have a sick mind and spirit, along with a sick body.
I am sure that everyone will have a different take on this and I hope it is not mean spirited, but just a friendly discussion.
Yeah, I do believe multiple personality disorder is a mental illness.
Agreed: This a friendly discussion.

However, troublemakers are troubled/have their own troubles but this doesn't equate to being sick in mind and spirit. It is totally possible to be troubled in mind and spirit and not be sick.  Haven't we all at one time or another in our lives found ourselves where we are troubled in mind and spirit but we aren't sick in mind and spirit?  Take Care
[QUOTE=levlarry]

now and then,


Who should we pray to? Who is your god? Can he or she speak or do
you speak for your god? You are absolutely opening a bad can of worms
here. If we are to pray then I belive that we should pray as we were
taught. Let's pray that we all get what we deserve. then we will wait
and see who gets good things and who gets bad things. We have no way
of looking inside a person. Where do you get off with your god
judging? Of course you remember the teachings about ...judge not lest
you be judged. How 'bout this one...many shall come in my name, and
surely i will say, i never knew you. Did your god give you a list of sick
people or is it your list? And now you are what, the new "god people"
moderator? Who are these people. Who is the we you speak of? You we's
should say who you are and you should name the sick people. You know
who they are. If you name them maybe your god will just turn them to
ash. Poof. You would like that wouldn't you? So who do you pray to? It
would be totally diferent if you were to post, let's all pray for each other.
Not you, you come up with the we the good god people pray for the bad
sick non god people. You absolutely need to pray for your own self. Any
person that comes spewing this nonsense in gods name has no good god
in them.


LEV

[/QUOTE]

Well, I'm not going to be as nice as the rest of you but levlarry, I just want
to say that you are mean spirited and have a very heavy heart. I am
agnostic but I would never deny anyone the right to their beliefs. And I
would not want to be judged for mine. There is no harm in praying to
whatever you want to pray to. I'm asked to pray all the time at work and
do you think I go off on a tangent about this? No, I bow my head and I
offer a moment of silence out of RESPECT for others beliefs. So get off
your non believing high horse and respect the fact that now and then has
the right to say what she wants. The wierd thing is - I have hardly noticed any big time trouble makers.  Maybe that is a benefit of all the drugs I take [QUOTE=levlarry]

now and then,

Let's pray that we all get what we deserve. then we will wait and see who gets good things and who gets bad things. [/QUOTE]

 

eeeewwwww....OUCH! THose are brutal words. Let's step back for a moment and think about this in an adult manner shall we?

""Let's pray that we all get what we deserve""

""then we will wait and see who gets good things and who gets bad things""

According to these harsh words I would DESERVE to have RA, my nephew would DESERVE getting cancer again and my friends daughter would have DESERVED to lose her baby at 6 months gestation. THose are all bad things.Nothing that I can recall would elicit such an unfavorable outcome for me or any one of these people.

THere is an attribution error many people make when they correlate bad things happening to bad  people  or good people because they have done something either morally or physically wrong compared to the population of belief for that particular incident. It is just  as I stated, an attribution error. TO think for one moment that good things only come to good people is unrealistic. """"then we will wait and see who gets good things and who gets bad things"" this is a statement filled with attributional error because you are assumming that  people ""GET"" what you have decided that they deserve. Makes LEV a bit narcissistic in thinking karma or the GOD/S will make sure each comes into their own because he does not agree with a comment from another which includes prayer or behavioral thoughts or behaviors.

As children we are all socialized into behaving in a socially acceptable manner. BEhaving good. WE are also socialized into believing that if we behave "good" we will only have good health and good things will happen to us. THis is not always the case.

""then we will wait and see who gets good things and who gets bad things""  ......is a very bitter and disturbing statement.

""Let's pray that we all get what we deserve""   THis is even worse. It is implying some negativity and  a not so good outcome...I really do not think this statement in all its content was printed on a message board to include wellbeing and heartfelt emotion, wouldn't you agree? Not much of a Christian  belief system wrapped in this statement that is for sure.

Whatever happened to just being """NICE""" Where did that go? Where did, ""BE KIND TO OTHERS"" drift off to? AM I the only person that still believes in these statements????????

jode

One other quick point I would like to note concenring LEV..........LEV is making an error in assumming many people, including those on this message board, value LEV's opinion.

jode

I pray that levlarry finds the trueth.Right on, Lorster, Roxy, Jode and pincushion!  Let's pray for Lev, whaddya say!

Taking a moment in prayer for LEVlarry

**hangs head**

PHATGIRL

And that is the trueth

jodejjr

You are not the only one that that believes in unconditional kindness.

 

It seems that no matter what your spiritual belief is, love, caring, and unconditional kindness are part of all of them.  Even lorster who is agnostic practiced love, caring, and unconditional kindness by showing her respect with a moment of silence. 

Unconditional love, caring, and kindness should be shown everyday no matter what your spiritual belief is. 

I asked for a list after you said "we know who you are". You never gave a list of who the "sick troublemakers" are but i now see the list of the "we" people and it is no surprise that every single one on the list is a sushi member. Now that is one big surprise. And there you all are telling each other how smart each other is.

There would be nothing wrong with a prayer group. Pray for a cure for RA. Pray for peace, right Phatgirl? Pray for all of us. You are so mean and nasty that you even try to bring god into it as if god too is part of your group and your attacks. Maybe god is but maybe god isn't.

I am the type that believes that if i am going to pray, i am going to pray for good things for good people and i am going to pray for bad things for bad people. I don't believe that bad people should get good things. If bad people get bad things and bad things, eventually, they will turn to good.

It never surprises me when the sushi group lectures a non sushi member on forum protocol and ettiquet.  Jodejjr, lorster and the rest of the sushi group, why can you lecture me on not being nice, being mean and etc and yet i can quickly show over thirty posts of you sushi members being mean and nasty and sometimes downright filthy and not one of you rebukes each other.

So good, bad or ugly. I pray the good get good and i pray that the bad get bad.

LEV

LEV,

I DO pray for everyone....you just happen to be on the top of my list that day. 

Phatgirl

I am not an rasushi contributer, I can barely keep up with this board and all that is going on in my life.

It was when you talked about  what people "deserve " lev that caught my attention and I decided to write concerning that.

Wouldn't it be easier to just be friends with everyone? Wouldn't it make life a bit more pleasant to live?

jode

Jode,

 When i responded to now & then it was directed to the "we" that she mentioned. It had nothing to do with your nephew or any relative. I never said that a disease or a death was associated with good or bad. Are you a bad person Jode? I try very hard not to be. But i don't know, maybe i am a bad person, i can't even see inside of my own self and that is where i was offended that some group can say that they are so godly, they can see what a persons inside or spirit is. Jode do you want to be my friend? Keep in mind i do not like bad people. Jode, any people that work as a group and cannot correct each other when they are wrong, i cannot be friends with that type of person. If my friends or relatives are wrong or mean, i will correct them. Because they are of me does not make them always right. Any friend of mind knows right and wrong amongst all people including friends and relatives. This group is not like that, they never correct each other, just slap each other on the back. And they got each others back. Is that the type of friends you like? I'll say it again, good things for good people and bad things for bad people, that's my prayer. You have to lock your doors because of bad people.

LEV

LEV,

Who are YOU to decide what is right or wrong?  Is this the world according to LEV?  What do you base your "correction" on? 

Phatgirl

Ok, I'll bite:

Define "BAD THINGS" in the following statement for everyone reading this thread.

"i am going to pray for bad things for bad people."

No offense to anyone, but I do not believe in praying for bad things to happen. And please, I meant no offense to RAsushi members.

LEV, Trust me on this, I doubt that you would want to be my friend. My friends either die or something happens to them.

Many people do not think I am a kind person....for references on this statement you can contact either my ex husband or my ex fiance'or my son....my daughter will tell you..."well sometimes she is mean".

I have one very close friend that lives in Indiana that I worked with for years, she has been the most loving and kindest friend I have ever had.She and I do not keep in touch because she is busy with her furniture store.

I consider myself a good person.

With all due respect, please keep religion off of this board.  Every board has trouble makers, but just ignore them... we dont need to "feed the beast" as one person replied.  There arent that many here anyway... its usually a fun group and we have enough about RA to talk about.  Its all about support here... and although we respect your religion and everyone elses... we can go to other sites and places to exprss that.  That is one subject that will divide people so fast and its just not what we are looking to this board for.  We are all just folks who have arthritis. 

Jode,

I'll try to define good and bad even tho i think most people can tell good from bad. Today my right knee was more painful than usual. What do you think? Good or bad? You probably think that is good. I think it is bad. My left eye ached today. What do you think? Good or bad? You probably think that is good. I think it is bad. My friend called early this morning and said that her son dropped something in the toilet and flushed. I had to remove the toilet even with my bad knees and elbows and etc.s. Do you think that is a good thing or a bad thing? I think it's a bad thing. If my friend gives me a ride and drops me off at the curb and i close the door and my jacket gets caught in the door and my friend takes off, that's bad.

I talked to your husband and asked him about you and he said that he was afraid to answer. He said something about you cutting off parts of him that he may still need if you didn't like the answers. Just kidding.

To be honest, i have enough friends and they are old, tried and true friends, when i say old, i mean i've known them for a long time. I can trust them, i know that they are good people, with good morals.

Phatgirl, you need to take off your sushi glasses and your boxing gloves. When you read with your sushi glasses you see words and statements that weren't written. Everybody knows right and wrong. It is written in every person. Some people have just put thier concience in a box and locked it. When a person steals, that person knows that it is wrong.The thief may make excuses for it or sugarcoat it but deep down they know they are doing wrong. When you do wrong, you know you are doing wrong. If you go back and read my posts i explain that i cannot even see inside of myself let alone other people concerning bad and good people and so i said that is why i pray for good things to happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. If a parent rewards a child for bad behavior, the child will continue to be bad. When i said i pray, hey, i took a chance, i included me. Let the chips fall where they may. Got an umbrella? Just kidding.

Phatgirl, the correction thing is that if one of you of the group does wrong, the other members will not correct the member that did wrong. Remember when you told a new member to leave? I think you said "don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya." Any honorable person would have corrected you. Even if my mom had said that, i would have corrected her. But not one of your group corrected you and even worse, clapped for you and slapped you on the back and that's the problem with a we and us mentallity. I saw in a post where you told a member to be what, careful and it seemed as tho the warning was because what she posted sounded almost against the group. I hope you understand what i just wrote. When it comes to right and wrong, be an individual, let your concience speak, not the group.

LEV

Levlarry, i think the part about you helping your friend w/ her toilet is a good thing ... You are helping someone that is in need even though you are an unhappy person...

CRAP was that outloud again.....

Lev, my friend,

I really want you to LET THIS GO! 

I typed up a whole response to your post...but why bother?  You seem fixed on your views and no one elses. 

Phatgirl

""I talked to your husband and asked him about you and he said that he was afraid to answer. He said something about you cutting off parts of him that he may still need if you didn't like the answers. Just kidding.""

LEV,You are an ass.

And: I am not married. My ex-husband and I remain civil for our children.

My fiance' and I were very much in love so don't even bother to mention him.

Quite frankly I am not going to respond to you anymore because you twist everything around to the negative and find the negative in everything, then you take it to an amoral level to stab, jab or otherwise be cruel just to cause pain, just for an argument.

jode

LEV? Hun..

Would you like to join the sushi group? The "US" or "WE" group?

I think this all stems from Lev, feeling left out and no one befriending his mean, hatered filled self. I mean he has no sense of humor, and the one he does have is lacking.

Lev... we all know RA can make us mean, and bitter... but dude! You need to let this go, find humor and the simple things in life. They will help you to see your life is going to be ok one day. Everyone just has ruff spells every now and then.

As for the not correcting other members, SOOOOOOO????  They have their right to post what they want. Just like you have the right to pray for bad things to happen to bad people. Just watch out for that one though, LEV... it might come back and bite you in butt, because you JUST MIGHT BE A BAD PERSON AND NOT EVEN KNOW IT!

Me, myself & Irene... well.... we think we are good people, and the men in the white coats tells "us" we are too

I say for LEV to go flog himself, to help us see the errors of our morals and mean spirits.

Oh BTW LEV... that sure was a nice thing to do for your friend. I mean playing in their pee and poo and all.... W2G!!! Good Buddy!!

joonie39168.9954050926

You guys ever watch that tv show "My name is Earl" ?

Earl (and myself but I'm not on the show lol

Karma will come back and bite you on the ass!

 

This thread is just weird!

In fact; the board has become weird.

Lev, why on earth would you pray for bad things to happen to bad people?  What kind of supreme being would rule in such a way?  (I know, but I'm wondering if YOU know!)

By your own standards, the way you think MAKES you a bad person, so you should have only bad things happen to you.  (Maybe that's why you believe all the things you listed earlier are bad, and not good).

Why not pray for bad people to BECOME GOOD?  What would be wrong with that?  That, imo, would change you from a bad person to a good person... So, that is what I wish...for you to become a good person.

Blast away....

 

 

 

[QUOTE=CinDee]

You guys ever watch that tv show "My name is Earl" ?

Earl (and myself but I'm not on the show lol

Karma will come back and bite you on the ass![/QUOTE]

Earl's in the trunk. 
Is anyone on this board familiar with this Bible quote: "Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you."? This includes anything we put into our prayers.

Actually, this quote isn't found word for word in any other religious belief, for those who have studied or are studying comparative religions you will find this belief stated in ALL religious beliefs.  Take Care
watchingwolf39169.5732523148Yep I know that quote and that is how I try to live my life by. I do sometimes stray from it and no in the end it will come back at me, but I do mean the best with what I say and do to others.

Jode,

When i mentioned your ex-husband i forgot to enter the ex part. Since you had mentioned him and told me to check with your ex-husband i thot you were being humorous. Your quote:

"Many people do not think I am a kind person....for references on this statement you can contact either my ex husband or my ex fiance'or my son....my daughter will tell you..."well sometimes she is mean". "

I thot that since you were being humorous and kinda friendly i posted what i did about your ex as humor. My mistake. I should have known that if it could be taken in a good way or a bad way, you would choose the bad way. I do not say things to be cruel.

Joonie,

Gosh, what can i say about you? I don't think i have ever seen you post any thing that is of any benifit to anyone. Mostly your posts go in circles and make me dizzy. Many are just loopy and off the wall and hurt my brain. I try to skip most of your posts. What amazes me most is that you can still show yourself after the coming up re-post. After i saw this post of yours i get a sick feeling in my stomach even when i see the word joonie. You are a filthy, filthy, filthy person. What kind of sick person talks about sucking on a douche hose. Amazingly, not one of the group said anything to you. At the very least they could have said something to you in a PM. You are so proud of it as if it is one of your very best posts. Here's your post:

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MODR8R!!!

For........ BIGGEST douche of the universe!!!

*Audience goes wild

*William Shatner begins to sing ....

"Herrrrrre heeeee is,
The biggest douche of the universe.
In all the galaxies,
There's no bigger douche than youuuuuuuu.

You've reached the top,
The pinnacle of douchedom.
Good goin' douche.
Your dream has come true.

You are the BIGGEST douche in the universssse...*

*2 douche costumed ladies present the GOLDEN DOUCHE Award to MODR8R*

Let's prepare for MODR8R's acceptance speech.....

Oooopp Sorry... commercial time!

MODR8R!!! I got 6 words for ya - STOP SUCKING ON YOUR DOUCHE HOSE!!

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"Stop sucking on your douche hose"? Seriously joonie everytime i see the name joonie on this board, i get the heebie-jeebies. It is beyond my imagination that any normal person could write that and be so proud of it. Even in your latest post:

 "Oh BTW LEV... that sure was a nice thing to do for your friend. I mean playing in their pee and poo and all.... W2G!!! Good Buddy!!"    What's wrong with you? Do you have children?

Claire,

If someone does me wrong, should i take revenge or pray that revenge is given. I can tell by your post that you are a very loving person that does not judge people. I am sure that if someone did harm to you or your loved ones, you would just pray for that person to be good. My prayer is only for those on this thread and absolutely includes me. I absolutely do not know who is good or bad. Bad for the bad, and good for the good. You are very welcome to pray as you wish and prefer, i will not blast you for that but, keep in mind that you have brought yourself into my prayer and so i include you in my prayer.

Watchingwolf,

I know that quote and i try to live by it. It is the golden rule and emcompasses all rules to live for to have a good life. But this part that you added is by you, not the author of the quote, right? That part is your quote and if it was meant to be included in the quote, it would absolutely have been included  at the time of the writing rather than to wait for watchingwolf to fix and complete the quote in the year 2007. What do you think? Welcome to my prayer. This is your added on part of the "good quote":

"This includes anything we put into our prayers." Written by Watchingwolf

kelsaysmommy,

I am not an unhappy person. I am very happy. People love being around me. I have so much pain and i still smile at almost everyone. I spread sunshine. I hobble and drag my right leg and just keep on smilin' and enjoyin'. I am so happy to wake up every morning. Once i realized that i am not invincable, that i can die i have a whole new outlook on life. Babies crys used to annoy me, now i love it. Very few things annoy me. Nasty and mean people still annoy me because they choose to be that way.Welcome to my prayer.

LEV


LevLarry: Hello.. This whole post is sooooo messed up and I'll admit I'm totally confused by it all and your last post in which you address me. My question is this: am I being made fun of or are you simply indicating you agree with me or what?

LMAO!!! That is a good post, I do laugh everytime I read it. Thanks for the good laugh, my face hurts from smiling so durn much!!!

BTW.... I did not come up with that it is off a SOUTHPARK episode which I do not watch, but my flithy, flithy (hint, hint) hubby does. He influenced me to post it. and even told me word for word of it. It is hard not to turn into someone you are married to and have been around with for so long, I do have good in me and if you think I am a flithy person, well... that is your opinion.

As for my posts, I am not a complainer, not something I like to do very often. I only make posts about my JRA when it is something that is really bothering me and I just need to let it out and not put yet another buurden on my hubby. Heck, my hubby does not even ask me how my day was anymore for fear I will give in a list of aches and pains. So, I just keep it to myself until I feel I need to release it.

Next you will be telling me I am ADD and need ritalin. Yeah, I can see that, making you dizzy.... it is because you are no fun at all. 

Yes, I do have children.... and they are both very smart, caring individuals.

Lev... I think you would get along good with must of us on here if you would just stop being so up tight. I mean some of us post on here to help make someone smile or laugh when they are having a bad day, or they are feeling down. That is why my posts tend to make you dizzy... because you do not see that humor is one of the best medicines for dealing with this disease. And you seem to think lowly of people who rely on this board for the pick me up. I am supporting the members of this board with my posts, I cannot give out good advice and am afraid to, as I do not really know what it feels like to fall ill with RA, so I do not want to detour them from getting the right answers and mine not being what they are looking for.

You think my posts are crazy and makes you dizzy now, you should go search for posts from my old username jooniper and read some of those. Those were back in the day when I was in so much pain and not doing well, and well I have read quite a few of them and thought "OMG!! What was I thinking?!" And then just laughed my butt off. Yeah, long term use of pred messes with your mind and makes you crazy, believe me! Ok... ok... ok... I am already crazy but I was even more crazy when I was on only pred for a year LMAO!

OMG joonie those were intertaining posts what are you talkin about lolYou are telling me... I did not even know when I posted half of them, and was like "I posted that?" I mean I was out of it and was not even on pain pills or anything else except prednisone and IBU [QUOTE=levlarry]

Claire,

If someone does me wrong, should i take revenge or pray that revenge is given. I can tell by your post that you are a very loving person that does not judge people. I am sure that if someone did harm to you or your loved ones, you would just pray for that person to be good. My prayer is only for those on this thread and absolutely includes me. I absolutely do not know who is good or bad. Bad for the bad, and good for the good. You are very welcome to pray as you wish and prefer, i will not blast you for that but, keep in mind that you have brought yourself into my prayer and so i include you in my prayer.

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Lev, thank you for the kind words.  You ask if someone does you wrong, should you take revenge or pray that revenge be given.  To your question I answer "neither"!  Revenge is not ours to give, and to wish revenge on someone is to hate, which is also wrong.  It is natural to feel those impulses, and "feeling that way" doesn't make you a bad person...but acting on them might. 

Hey, we all have pain.  Everyone who posts here does so because of pain, so we all have that in common.  And on our worse days it is easy to begrudge others who don't understand or seem uncaring.  I get angry at myself, for getting angry at them!  Forgiveness is the answer my friend...forgiveness of ourselves as well as others.  If you will pray for the ability to forgive, it would be a very important first step.

I hope you are having a good day.

 

 

Claire39170.5629861111

Well,

I've been away for awhile and didn't have the chance to post so will try to now. Oh, by the way, how's everybody from this thread feeling and doing? I feel good. Aren't you all glad we prayed?

Joonie, i know you are proud of your "douche" post and no, i am not surprised that your husband helped you with it. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that your parents helped with the post. After all, you didn't raise yourself. I wouldn't be surprised to find that you have printed your "douche" post, framed it and hanged it in your childrens room. Maybe you can take copies of it to church this Sunday and pass them out and watch the people laugh and laugh and laugh.

Watchingwolf,

I was correcting you. It is no fun to make fun of people. You posted a good quote and then had to add a jab as usual. One more correction, some form of the golden rule is found in only 21 of the world religions, not all of them.

Claire,

It is my belief that when a person has realized the errors of thier ways, and changes, only then should forgiveness be considered. If you forgive before they are changed, you will spend a lifetime of forgiving and they will continue to do bad things. Somebody on this thread has in previous post apologized and asked for forgiveness but, only after being shamed into it and the apology was hollow and she still hasn't changed. I stand by my prayer, good things for good people or even for those that try, and bad things for bad people, they know who they are, every one was born with the ability to know right from wrong. The bad deserve bad things and i don't think any one should stick up for them. That's just my belief and my prayer.

LEV

Hey Lev! I have missed ya really I have ... NOT!

I am going to act like an 8th grader here for a min ok? I know, Lev you think I already act like a preschooler, but I need to do something grown-up for a min... you ready?

 

 

 

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Oh for crying out loud Joonie! This began as a message about Prayer and look what it's turned into.

I'd like to ask the children to go outside and play!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!  Joonie that was completely uncalled for!!!!

 


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