Healthy Diet Cure Rant? | Arthritis Information
I just need to rant here for a second as I've noticed that the idea of a healthy diet/lifestyle is mentioned a bit as a way of taking control of this disease.
I certainly understand the benefits of (and adhere to) an extremely healthy well rounded whole food type of diet in just managing life and health in general...
But what I don't get though, is how with any logic, it could even be conceivably considered for a second, as a way to any kind of cure for something like this? I have led so much healthier of a lifestyle than most of my friends and family, and yet I am the one with RA - not them. Not that I wish it on them of course...but just that it makes me think I should have been lounging around hungover all the time eating a lot of donuts and chips if this was going to happen anyway....
Yeh, I am a little on the bitter, angry side... to say the very least right at this moment... So thanks for listening and I will go re-read the posts about the emotional stages of ra.
Regards,
Dear Melly,i agree with you there is no way diet (good or bad) could possibly be the end all for our disease. I don't eat the night shade, tomatoes, potatoes, bell peppers, because from experience I've found that I have Flares after eating them. Most of us could improve our diet, but it isn't going to cure us.
Thanks for the post 'new topic, sarah
I don't think there is a cure for this disease, either from meds or diet. But,eating as healthy as possible can't hurt and can help you down the road.
This disease affects your joints, eyes, heart and lungs. And if it affects your
heart, it affects your liver and kidneys too. So basically all systems are fair
game. So, why fill your body with bad food, booze and cigarettes. And on
top of it, don't exercise. You are what you eat and that is a very true
statement. I'm just not sure why so many people on this board are opposed
to a healthy diet.
There is no known cure for RA be it meds or diet is what my belief is. There is remission that can happen from meds and diet or a combo of both.
RA or no RA...a good healthy well balanced diet is always the way to go.
I know, I know.....eating healthy is always the way to go, but being fanatical about it is what bugs me. My husband will not eat any meals out in restaurants because he's convinced 'they' are trying to kill him with fats, salt and sugar added to everthing! Well, of course , he has wonderful low cholesterol, blood pressure and pulse, etc. But, he goes off the deep end! I eat out with friends, occasionally but I think it would be fun to have dinner out with him....but he ruins it, disecting everything that is delivered, blotting the top of pizza with napkins!! Yes!, and other weird things....so I gave up eating out with him. (he also complains about the cost, ugh)
Fats, salt, and sugar are on almost all prepared foods labels, so we need to be very careful with those. Fresh greens, salad lettuce, and we all know broccoli, and the rest of those 'veggies' are perfect.
I get exhausted trying to figure out what to eat/not to eat. I'm trying to take off the prednisone, fat gain, right now after a mania of over-eating for a month.
It's a struggle, one dang pound at a time, any suggestions pleas post on LOSE ONE POUND CLUB, thanks, sarah
Try to eat many very small meals throughout the day, about 200 caloriesper meal. The more nutritious the food, the more of it you can have.
That will also keep you from gaining weight and keep you feeling
satisfied all day. Drink more water, that will keep you feeling full. Drink
sugar free drinks or tea if you get that sweet craving. Keep celery, carots
and other fresh veggies in your fridge for easy access. I keep those
mozerrella cheese sticks handy and eat a couple of them which is filling.
I also count out a portion, put it into a bag and then eat it so i don't over
indulge in that one thing. Go to sparkpeople.com and check out this
website, it is great. I hope this helps. Oh, another thing. There are
plenty of really good resteraunts out there that serve healthy food. Go to
a natural market store which has a deli or even subway is not bad. I have
found that I have to spend a bit more to get a really healthy meal out but
if you don't do it very often, consider it a date and a treat.
Melly,
There is a lot of research on food and RA. In this months Arthritis Today magazine they mention it as well.
I believe it can be triggered by food sensitivies or allergies that start in the gut. Read the article if you get a chance because it is written in lay-mans terms and makes a lot of sense.
I continue to eat "clean" or the cavemans diet. Fish, chicken, fruits and veggies. I will stay on it another month and then add foods one by one very slowly to see what I react to. I hope it's not wheat but I have a feeling it is.
You know what? I think it's just the luck of the draw. It's sort of how some people smoke for 50 years and don't get cancer and then those who have never smoked (like Dana Reeve) die of lung cancer! My husband eats such junk food and he's healthier than me!! I was so angry one day, we went out for lunch and I was going to order a grilled chicken wrap with lettuce, no mayo (blah) and he orders a cheeseburger deluxe! I said "change my order - I'll have what he's having! That being said, I think everything in moderation, I do eat a lot of almonds, walnuts, yogurt, fruit and veggies. I try to eat red meat only once a week. I eat those "fortified" pastas (Barilla Plus) and fish and chicken but I also like to have a handful of Doritos every now and then and a glass of wine. I saw a woman on Oprah once and she said "If I live to be 85, on my last day on this earth I'm going to curse every diet I ever was on and hope I ate dessert!"melly, you've not reach that level to understand herbs and natural foods can cure chronic diseases therefore how can you on earth with all your reasonings and logic to convince yourself.
You posted you have led so much healthier of a lifestyle than most your friends and family yet you are the one with RA not them. So your conclusion is healthy diet/lifestyle cannot control RA.
I believe you have to re-examine your own so called 'healthy diet'/'lifestyle'. Many like to emphasize their diets are healthy without knowing there are flaws
I remembered an acquiantance, a lady was a vegetarian, health concious but wrong choice of foods, died of cancer, why?
She liked deep fried tofu, crispy vege foods with ketchup, curry vege cooked with coconut milk, fried vege rice, french fries and soft drinks. She was on HRT (hormone replacement therapy) following menopause.
The bad choice of foods and drugs caused cancer.
I have defeated the disease. To fully control or cure the disease, there were many battles to be fought, much knowledge to be learned from others about correct foods and herbs, determination, belief etc..
If you do not have such conviction and know-how that appropriate herbs and choice of correct daily diet, how can you reverse the disease, no way. Simply logic
It sounds as if you feel you have been able to defeat this disease with adopting healthy food choices. And I am assuming that that means you had been on a different course prior to that...so it was a change you could make?
So here is my question for you regarding this subject: If you had already been eating in the way that you are now that you believe has helped you defeat this disease, what would you be able to do differently now?
My knowledge of nutrition (multi-degreed) and the personal food and exercise choices I have almost always employed have been beyond reproach. I have never eaten the kind of crap you mentioned above (or any other crap for that matter) that you say caused this persons cancer. Apparently I have RA anyway. My sister, just as an example, eats almost exclusively "junk food". She does not have RA.
So if the definition of insanity is to get the same unwanted results while continuing to do the same thing over and over - then LOGICALLY - my only option here to attack this food-wise by replacing my healthy diet with an unhealthy one.
I happen to really like the foods involved in a healthy diet - so I won't be taking that approach exactly of course - BUT - as a result of this RA happening while I was ever so vigilant, going forward I am going to be adopting a much more relaxed attitude towards enjoying "the junk" others seem to enjoy so much...
Regards,
Melly
I am working on my diet also to see if it makes a difference. I eat healthy but I am trying to see if any foods trigger swelling and pain.
Does anyone else here have problems with dairy? If so, how do you get all the calcium you need? I take a multivitamin but it only has 20% of RDA for calcium. Forgive me if this has been asked before. I am new to the boards and haven't read all the threads.
Broccoli is an awesome source of calcium. You can get supplemental calcium pills in the Vitamin section of your pharmacy or at WalMart. Melly, I don't think how we ate, caused our RA. I do think we justhappened to be at the right place at the right time....or was that...the
wrong place at the wrong time...whatever....I just feel that now that we
have this wonderful monster living with us night and day, we should take
good care of ourselves. And like you, I am going to enjoy foods that may
not be the best for me from time to time. I do not eat fried food but will
occasionally have a hamburger and cheesecake. Those are my two
favorite foods. I will not eat them everyday but I will eat them. My
rheumatologist died a month ago. He was an avid skiir, hiker,
outdoorsman. He died while cross country skiing. And because I worked
with him, I knew how he ate and it was extremely healthy. He dropped
dead, massive heart attack. So, this proves to me that these things
happen. We cannot control everything. But if our blood sugars are high,
we should keep them down, if our cholesterol is high, we should work to
bring the ratios into a normal range. If we have hypertension, it needs to
come down. If we have sleep apnea, we need to be on our Cpap at night.
Not doing these things only increases our chances of dying an early death
and not being able to watch our children and grandchildren grow up.
Having RA has taught me that life is precious, and short for many people.
So, we do what we can, daily to ensure that as we grow older, we have a
good quality of life. And I do not think it helps that we sit and worry
about it all the time. I don't think smoking helps this disease either but
realize that it is a very difficult habit to quit. I also know that we have to
medicate this disease because there simply is no cure.
Koko, I have a question for you. Do you think you have cured your RA
with your diet and herbs and alternative therapies? I would like to know if
you have inflammed joints, stiffness in the morning and what other
symptoms of RA do you currently have? [QUOTE=momto5boys]
I am working on my diet also to see if it makes
a difference. I eat healthy but I am trying to see if any foods trigger
swelling and pain.
Does anyone else here have problems with dairy? If so, how do you get
all the calcium you need? I take a multivitamin but it only has 20% of RDA
for calcium. Forgive me if this has been asked before. I am new to the
boards and haven't read all the threads.
Momto5boys, I have a terrible time with dairy. And I love dairy products.
It goes right through me. And I suffer headaches if I drink milk. I
consume all organic when I do. I have recently made the switch to soy
milk which I really like. There are other foods with calcium but I really
don't even watch my calcium and maybe I should. It is probably why my
back hurts all the time, lol. Also, I wanted to tell you. Did you check out
the sparkpeople.com. When you put in what you eat in the online diary,
the site will keep track of every vitamin, mineral, calorie etc of what you
eat. It is a great website for tracking nutrition. Go check it out if you
havn't.
Lorster- Can you kinda tell me what you eat during a typical day?? I need some ideas... I had already started to change my eating when I found out I had Graves....like no artificial sweetners, they're all triggers, foods with MSG ( Chinese especially) and I found out the hard way that asparagus, one of my FAVORITE foods is a huge no no for me...
I wish I could just afford a chef who knew exactly what I could eat that would make all my meals for me!
I'm praying dairy isn't a trigger food for me, taking that away would be SO much worse than when I had to take away my Diet Coke!
Dairy seems to make my RA symptoms worse so I avoid it.
Rice milk is awesome too. It is a little sweeter than the regular soy milk and tastes better in cereal. It does not need to be refrigerated until you open it. Danielle loves the stuff and you can get it in like juice box packaging too. Makes it nice to stick in lunches.I love me some whole milk! I don't drink that much anymore....but absolutely love it! I'd drink 1/2 & 1/2 if people wouldn't think I was an absolute freak! People already make me feel bad for drinking whole milk and also giving my children whole milk. My children can use the calories though; and I've always felt like it was good for them regarless of some studies. I could understand the concept if my children were over weight; but for my step sons who seem dangerously under weight to me; whole milk seems like healthy calories.
I was reading today in Arthritis Today (I get their e-news letter) and there is a lot of talk lately about the relationship with folks with RA & Heart disease. It sure made me think about this thread. It certainly gives good reason for us all to watch our diet for that reason alone. You might want to check it out.
[QUOTE=amylynn]
Lorster- Can you kinda tell me what you eat during
a typical day?? I need some ideas... I had already started to change my
eating when I found out I had Graves....like no artificial sweetners, they're
all triggers, foods with MSG ( Chinese especially) and I found out the hard
way that asparagus, one of my FAVORITE foods is a huge no no for me...
[/
P]
I wish I could just afford a chef who knew exactly what I could eat that
would make all my meals for me!forum/smileys/smiley36.gif">
I'm praying dairy isn't a trigger food for me, taking that away would be
SO much worse than when I had to take away my Diet Coke! www.arthritisinsight.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif">
What I do is try to cook from scratch and not use anything processed.
Oatmeal/raisens for breakfast. Or yogurt, toast and peanut butter for
breakfast. Salad and vegie soup for lunch, rice and meat for dinner. It is
not really what I eat, it is the kind of foods I eat. I choose not to buy
anything from a box. I buy my rice, oats, flour, etc from bulk. I don't get
instant anything. I love milk and fight every bit of it and have constant
stomach upset. If I go without milk for a few days, I feel good....but I am
a glutton for punshment and my love for milk outweighs my wanting a
stomach that is not upset all the time, lol. I will learn. I am trying not to
eat meat as often and am eating more salmon and other fish for dinner.
My husband and I go out a lot and choose resteraunts that are healthy
and choose to cook with good oil and good ingredients. These are easy
to find where I'm from because I live in hippie ville. You know, it is not
really about eating sugar as much as it is about cooking more home made
and knowing what ingredients are in the food you are eating. Your kids
are better off with home made treats (even if they have sugar in them)
and especially if you use raw cane sugar and evaporated cane juice. But if
you pick up a box of cereal bars and cannot read all the ingredients in
them, you probably should not feed them to your kids. I'm not into
anything with artificial colors. I will have to admit, I use splenda and
nutruasweet but have recently switched to stevia which I like. I think a lot
of people are going back to the basics in cooking like our grandmothers
cooked, except with less fat, lol. I hope this helps. [QUOTE=Lovie]
I love me some whole milk! I don't drink that much
anymore....but absolutely love it! I'd drink 1/2 & 1/2 if people wouldn't
think I was an absolute freak! People already make me feel bad for
drinking whole milk and also giving my children whole milk. My children
can use the calories though; and I've always felt like it was good for them
regarless of some studies. I could understand the concept if my children
were over weight; but for my step sons who seem dangerously under
weight to me; whole milk seems like healthy calories.
I was reading today in Arthritis Today (I get their e-news letter) and
there is a lot of talk lately about the relationship with folks with RA &
Heart disease. It sure made me think about this thread. It certainly gives
good reason for us all to watch our diet for that reason alone. You might
want to check it out.
[/QUOTE]
Lovie, I was raised on a ranch and didn't know anything but raw milk
when I was growing up. We just milked, stirred the cream into the milk
and drank it and I'm sure it was as whole as it gets. My mom will drink
nothing but whole milk and says if she wants skim milk, she'll have a
glass of water, lol. I don't think there is anything wrong with whole milk.
It sure tastes good. I know they want babies who are just weaned from
formula and breast to drink whole milk only. I agree with you children need whole milk, Sarah
lorster, the answer is I do not have stiffness etc.etc. if you have than I believe 'there are million of monsters in your blood stream' that can anytime launch an acute attack whenever there is an opportunity i.e. your body weaken and drugs dwindle its effectiveness. I only have those deformed toes shrunk to sizes that I can move, exercise but no problem.
I agree with you that 'we cannot control everything' BUT you have the power to move your own world i.e. to learn to eat healthily, nurture back your health, appropriate herbs to defeat the disease. However, if you think RA can not be cured then nobody can help you. It is like a group of mountain climbers prepare and practice for years to conquer Hilmalaya, only very few have extreme strong determination to achieve can make it!!!!!
I think a lot of things to do with RA are within our digestive system. When we were living in Africa we ate a very basic good wholesome diet, with lots of fresh foods and no fast food.Lots of lentils, pulses,nuts, rice, pasta etc. We were there pre apartheid when there were lots of sanctions imposed on South Africa so packaged foods werent available.Living in England a lot of food is packaged, full of additives and there is a fast food shop on every corner.My RA started in Africa but mildly, it escalated to a great height once we moved to the UK. I now make sure i dont fall into the trap of quick foods.It is so easy to buy and cook these products and when we dont feel so good quick and easy foods make it easier for us to prepare them but in the long run they make us feel worse. I have tried it on myself and i flare a lot more when i eat processed stuff.Lorster- Yes, that really helped alot! Thank you.
I guess my other problem is my husband.....There is NO WAY he'll eat "good whole" foods. He'd eat frozen pizza for all 3 meals if he could get away with it.....and he's for sure not sensitive to my health, so I'm not quite sure what to do there. Make 2 different meals? Make him make his own? Hmmmmmm, have to think about that one.
Thanks again!
kokako88 - Tell me about your RA and how did you cure it? What herbal treatment you got?
LOL. Lorster...my husband says the same thing about skim milk that your mom does. And that is all I will drink if I drink cows milk. Usually vanilla soy or rice milk is what I prefer.
I'm pretty lucky when it comes to feeding my husband. I make his plate for him anyways and he usually just eats what I put in front of him since he is so hungry when he gets home at night. But he is one of those people that can eat anything and not gain an ounce of weight. URG!
I believe koko88 said he had gout. (It is a disease that has its 'roots' in diet, and so can be cured by diet.)
He seems to think RA can be cured the same way because it is a form of arthritis.
justgotit, go and read all my posts there are many indications
marian, there are over 100 forms of arthritis and they are like 'brothers & sisters' concerning joints. "The roots" of these chronic diseases can be gradually and systematically reversed or cured by appropriate herbs and correct natural foods.
If meds can address the roots of these problems, there are and will not have new, super drugs keep rolling in, even cancer drugs are introduced like MTX etc.. So you think RA can be cured by
I believe in Dr. Bieler's message i.e. no drugs but 'the proper use of correct & healthy foods'. I explored, found and have been using wild lingzhi and other herbs for almost 20 years.
marian, you cannot do without drugs but I can that is the difference but RA or gout (a form of arthritis) cann't be different. The belief and mindset are also different.
There is a wide range of fresh vegetables and fruit, new types of bread and cereals, interesting milk products and good quality lean meat, fish and poultry. Eat well by including a variety of healthy foods from each of these four major food groups each day. Limit your intake of high-sugar food, and saturated fats. Low salt, if you use salt, choose iodised.
Drink plenty of liquids each day, especially water.
Maintain a healthy body weight by eating well and by daily physical activity.
If you and your family start a little vegetable garden together, and nurture it together, it's amazing how they might just enjoy the very different taste of home grown vegetables. (Lovely stuff)! Start planting!! Home made pizza taste great too!
By the time that vegetables get to your shopping trolley through the markets and supermarkets, they could be a could be up to a couple of weeks old, and then most of the taste and goodness have gone. (Unless you are lucky enough to have a farmer's market near you).
I cook mostly everything from scratch as well, cannot stand the taste of processed foods - preservatives and additives yuck!!
But I do love the occasional little treat - like chocolate (it's a vegetable remember, comes from beans)
What if you absolutely loathe cooking, and won't do it? lol
Seriously, if I can't nuke it, shake and bake it or throw in a pan, w/ some garlic.. I dont' eat it. I hate cooking. I have a real hard time, even liking healthy foods, salads.. bleck.. veggies.. ugh.
Not to mention, I can't cut up foods.
I wish I liked healthier foods, but I really don't.
Is rice milk very fattening??
its now been over a week.. ONE solid wk, w/o coke a cola, trust me this is major!!! lol.. i've switched to green tea, little bit of sugar and lots of gatarade... and ohh of course morning coffee w/ hot chocolate in it.. :P lol... so small steps.. and besides that< i'm always hungry!!
I think RA is genetic & maybe a lot of us have the gene but in some of us it is triggered, either by food allergies or stress.
I think diet helps and there are a lot of research papers on the net confirming this. The problem comes with RA when you have so much fatigue and/or lack of money that it is difficult to maintain a healthy diet.
I have read (dont know how accurate this is) that after WWII cows were milked when they were pregnant - before then they were not and this is where a lot of the dairy probs come from now - anyone else heard of this.
I think avoiding processed food, additives and colourings
help a lot - we all need a personal chef to prepare our meals. I wish!
Healthy eating,
Cassandra- I am totally agree with you. In my family nobody have any kind of disease.Nothing..not even occasional fever! And I have RA at age 31.But my last 6-7 years were preety bad mentally. I think I was in depression..that's what must have triggered RA.
My mom and I were trying to figure out if anyone in our family had this--or the Graves disease (also linked to heredity) but no one that we could think of does. My grandparents and my mother have the ostioarthritis (SP?)but not RA. Mom was also just "remembering" that when I was in junior high the Dr's sent me to a University hospital to be checked because they suspected JRA, but nothing ever really came of it. I had "ankle and wrist" pain that came and went then. It pretty much just got pushed under the rug....I continued to have problems with my wrists, in fact when I was a junior in high school, they sent me to a orthapedic surgeon and when he came in the room after previewing my x-rays, I remember him saying," I thought I was going to be seeing a 60 yr old woman by the looks of the x-rays?" I don't to this day know really what that meant? But he ended up putting a cast on my writs for about 4 wks....and that actually helped "for a while." So what----has this been just kinda laying dormant for all these years? Did the Graves trigger this??? So many questions!!
(Sorry...guess I got totally off the original subject there
It's all a government conspiracy. I think there are so many factors involved in getting this disease, it is just
not one thing. Look at the little ones getting it. I look at the world
around me and we have so many environmental concerns, global
warming, unemployment, stress beyond measure. We are in a war state
that sends radioactive materials into our environment. The list goes on
and on. I went to college for 7 years while having three children, not sure
how I did that so my life was so stressed all the time, then I graduated
and my husband walked out on me the day after my graduation, left me
with three tiny girls to raise which I did for the next ten years, I gained 80
pounds because I ate horribly because I worked two and three jobs to
support my children in an affluent community where it costs 2000.00 a
month for a two bedroom apartment. I worked days, nights, evening, all
shifts to pay the bills, ate at mcdonalds and every other fast food place
because I simply had no energy to cook. I then aquired mono and was
sicker than a pig for a year with that and worked 60 hours a week the
whole time I had it. I let all my teeth go to hell because I either had to
make a house payment or go to the dentist, I chose the house payment.
That is when the symptoms started. I blame it on all those factors. I also
had a great grandmother and great aunt with RA. And I know everyone
on here can share similar stories. Just think about all that you have been
through in your life, both physically and emotionally and then throw in
viruses and genetics and it is a perfect prescription for RA. So now, we
have it and it is not leaving any time soon so we must deal with it by
doing everything in our power to not give it the amunition it needs to
progress. I believe that to be our medications and diet and exercise.
What else can we do? If we continue the bad behavior (some of what
feeds the monster), then we only set ourselves up for further problems
down the road. That is just my opinion and the way I am dealing with my
monster.
Koka, I want to say that gout CAN be treated with diet, you have too much
uric acid in your blood which can form crystals in your joints, mainly in
the toe joints so by decreasing your purine intake, it can be done. Gout is
one form of the over 100 kinds of arthritis. I have rheumatoid which I
cannot cure, only treat. People with severe forms of RA, cannot solely
rely on diet to treat themselves and the cannot cure it. They must rely on
immunosuppressents to keep the disease from attacking. All the herbs in
the world are not going to cure the type of arthritis most on this board
have. If you have gout, you don't have RA, there is a clear difference.
WOW Lorster- You have been through SO MUCH!!
I know they say Graves can be brought on, or triggered by stress. And I have been stressed out the last few years at home....and had a baby last year. ( another thing they say brings on Graves) Nothing quite like you've been through though. You know- if I could just win that darn lottery, I'd have a whole lot less stress. ( or not....
I can't help thinking in the back of my mind that this is God's little way of getting me to eat like I should....and I'm truly trying....baby steps.
Heading out for the night...."see" you all tomorrow.
we cannot change bad habits or unhealthy habits over night. I just quit myweight loss program this week because they expected me to lose 2 lbs a
week and I only want to lose one a week. Isn't that funny that most diet
programs are designed for the companies that are selling their product and
not for the person that actually wants to lose the weight. They were not
willing to change my program to suit my slow but sure weight loss. It has
been proven time and time again that fast weight loss does not last but slow
steady loss does. LA weight loss just didn't get it. I loved their products
and will miss them.
lorster, you just see only a dot in a vast white surface. You can never reach that level of understanding as long as you remain dependant on drugs and prisoner of the disease. When you can overcome the disease then you can see the overall picture. You cannot I can, that is the difference
There are other forms of arthritis and diseases affect kidney, liver and heart as well as diabetes can be developed (be it gout, RA, osteoarthritis, ankylosing spondylitis etc).
Get it straight it is the appropriate herbs that challenge the disease and correct food also help to adjust and balance the metabolic disorder.
I believe all chronic diseases can be treated with herbs and correct natural foods. Besides chronic diseases, wild lingzhi is being used to treat AIDS, Cancer, Heart disease.
ok koka, so where do i get this stuff? i will try it but I want to make sure it is
the real stuff. please give me the info on where I can order it from. i am
more than willing to give it a shot. i already eat healthy so that is not an
issue. Hi all, Off the Coffee decafe and regular. It's been 4 days and I feel fine! Love the Herb teas!! Sarah
Why are people making comments on how to treat RA IF THEY DON"T HAVE IT??? Why are you posting on this board? Is this not the RA forum? We do not have gout so why do we need to discuss that treatment? Should that not be discussed on a different forum as they are completely different diseases?
Glad you said that SaraP because it is making me almost wish that I had not even started this topic...except that I did get some valuable insight from many of the other posts...
Regards,
Melly
My irritation is in the "I'm so much better than you" attitude and the "you can't see it but i can" as if it was gospel. He must own stock in this herb.
Sorry, don't like to be negative, but people are suffering and this person claims to have all the answers but does not and it just bugs me.
Bugs me too! I am a new menber and am shocked that someone with a different disease is trying to preach their treatment. I thought this site was to help eachother not try to make everyone feel as though they have brought this disease on themselves which is ridiculous.
I am with you Melly, since I have Crohn's as well as RA I have always eaten as healthy as you can possibly get since so many foods effect me. This has not cured my disease AT ALL but it does help. Food choices can make your pain a less severe but does not take it away. If only it was that easy.....I am so fed up with hearing food can cure all. It's great for people whom it works for but really unfair to push your ideas on others. The first thing we learn about RA is how significantly different it is in every person, so wouldn't that mean treatments must be different too?
You guys should just ignore Kokako. I've seen him post about wild lingzhion lung cancer sites and stuff (which I found when googling wild lingzhi). By
the way, on other forums he's very clear that the kind of arthritis he has is
gout. He's just a nut but it's a free internet so he can post what he wants.
The best thing you can do is just let your eyes glaze over his post and don't
give him attention. In my opinion, anyway.
There may be something to wild lingzhi, but I'd get my info from a more
credible source.
Gimpy-a-gogo, I know what I have posted and the contents of my posts. You are a big nut or coconut who cannot clearly explain which sites on lung cancer etc..
"There may be something to wild lingzhi, but I'd get my info from a more credible source." What you know about wild lingzhi? Let hear from you.
To all those who are frustrated, irritated and being buds it is the attitude of jeolousy of freedom I enjoy and that you cannot figure out how to exit being imprisoned by drugs and the disease.
Redheadtheresa, you're right - "He must own stock in this herb." I even steeped wild lingzhi in liquor 20 years ago
I have gained yet no pain! No wonder it is being termed as "spiritual", "fairy" Lingzhi in Japan and China over 3,000 years.
Don't get upset when someone has overcome the disease. Learn from others not behave rudely and start to hurl muds if you do not know the gateway to freedom of sufferinghttp://
ehealthforum.com/health/topic52631.htmlI did not "hurl muds"
Hmmmm I did find this article on Reishi.
http://www.newstarget.com/021498.html
With this line in it that piqued my curiosity
"Dr. William B. Stavinhoa of the University of Texas Health Science Center found that reishi is as powerful as five milligrams of hydrocortisone, but with minimal side effects. "
I'll ask my RD about it - I like and trust her.
Allie
[QUOTE=kokako88]
lorster, you just see only a dot in a vast white
surface. You can never reach that level of understanding as long as you
remain dependant on drugs and prisoner of the disease. When you can
overcome the disease then you can see the overall picture. You cannot I
can, that is the differenceonclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley2.gif'" alt=Wink http://
arthritisinsight.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif"> .
There are other forms of arthritis and diseases affect kidney, liver
and heart as well as diabetes can be developed (be it gout, RA,
osteoarthritis, ankylosing spondylitis etc).
Get it straight it is the appropriate herbs that challenge the disease and
correct food also help to adjust and balance the metabolic disorder.
I believe all chronic diseases can be treated with herbs and correct
natural foods. Besides chronic diseases, wild lingzhi is being used to treat
AIDS, Cancer, Heart disease.
[/QUOTE]
Koka, RA is not a metabolic disorder. It is an autoimmune disease. I
would think that gout would more qualify as a metabolic disorder as your
body is not able to correctly rid itself of uric acid from the diet high in
purines such as red meat and tomatoes. RA is when the immune system
goes berzerk and starts to attack its healthy cells. Immunosuppressants
are used to slow things down. I cannot understand how you can compare
RA to gout. My brother has gout. His big toe swells, he slows down his
high purine diet and the swelling and pain goes away. We don' have the
luxury of removing a food from our diet and be assured that tomorrow
we will wake up pain free and feeling like nothing ever happened. I do
agree with you that nutrition is key but as far as the meds are concerned.
I know how I felt before Plaq and I know how I feel today. I could barely
get out of bed before and now I feel so much better. I'm not sure the wild
lingzi would have done that for me. I did go online and read about it and
it does sound interesting and may be something for me to try but I have
tried all kinds of alternative approaches and they just did not work. I
have to live for today and tomorrow because there may not be a twenty
years down the road for me. I practice a healthy lifestyle and am doing
the best I can. You cannot critisize people on here for the way they treat
their disease. That is simply unfair. Do you also have lung cancer? If so,
the lingzi is not cutting it for you. Another thing, if your disease is so
under control, why do you waste your time on the RA board? You should
be out, surfing the waves and climbing everest. Please start trying to
understand where we are coming from. If you can't...you don't have RA.
SarahP, nobody object to your opinion. You can post what you feel and think in your perspective of opinion and ignorance. Likewise, I have mine and I think the other way round that you're ignorance because you do not know the other side of the fence.
Gimpy-a-gogo, what are you trying to reveal by posting the website - that I had gout not RA? Can gout also extent to other diseases like RA, heart, kidney and other problems? Where is your post to tell us about wild lingzhi? Have you experience with it? Please do not post any lingzhi websites, I know how to look for it.
Redheadtheresa, you should keep for yourself the words "rude & irresponsible" just because you could not see the right perspective of other who overcome the disease. This is the real reason. I am responsible to tell others that there is hope for arthritis and chronic diseases with CORRECT HERBS AND NATURAL FOODS. Why are you others so upset about? In fact, I have done a good deed and will continue to do so, to tell others that there is a gateway of freedom to pain and disease.
lorster, whether RA is an autoimmune disease gout is metabolic disorder etc. everyone can surf and find in websites. To stop pain, fight and dispel diseases, are experiences and the result is a reality not in websites. I am putting forth my experiences of "pain free", "disease free" and the realities and hightlights of some good authors of natural foods cure chronic diseases. Criticism, rudeness, and irresponsibility are from you and others who disagree or envy on my postings of correct HERBS AND NATURAL FOODS. So this is a reflection of a mirror, see for yourself
On the other hand if RA really is some kind of infection maybe it would help.
I'd like to hear from somebody besides KoKaKo. Someone who takes it for RA.
Bleargh I don't like mushrooms lol.mariam, since you're afraid of this herb better not to know it or even try it, that's simple right and choice
In this world there are people love mushrooms lol. Even well-known personalities like former Japanese Prime Minister kept wild mushroom for himself and did not declare as state gift from North Korea President Kim; rich man from Hong Kong had won bid and paid hundred of thousand of dollars for about 1kg wild truffle to throw a dinner for friends and associates. In Japan, some hospitals using semi-wild sh*take mushroom to treat mouth, throat and lung cancer.
Besides wild lingzhi, I like tee tree, sh*take mushrooms as ingredients for foods. So good a taste, lol.
its not a healthy diet thats necessary, if i may correct you. Its a diet thats mostly organic, no night shades, no meats, etc. Our food supply is filled with antibiotics, hormones and pesticides. ALL of which increase inflammation in our bodies. Having RA means the inflammation is higher than those who do not have RA. Limiting your diet to organic, etc. reduces the inflammation which can result in less pain. Supplements such as fish oil, flaxseed, etc. are proven to help reduce inflammation. All of which is a way of strengthening the immune system. And RA is an auto immune disease. Drugs are not always the answer. There is no cure for RA. i wouldnt suggest you take any alternative supplements, etc. unless you see an alternative medical doctor who can review your case. I am on Fish Oil, Flaxseed and some other products. I follow an organic diet, go for acupuncture, exercise daily and its helped greatly. If a healthy diet, eating certain foods, eliminating certain foods, or taking certain supplements would do the trick I would have been cured long ago. I think family and friends have plied me with every possible "cure" and it hasn't helped. Tomatoes do cause me to flare some but aside from that I am no better for eating cherries, drinking Noni juice, or taking Flaxseed Oil.your best bet, see an alternative medical doctor. its the right combination of foods, supplements and holistic meds. friends and family unless they are alternative medical doctors arent qualified.The trend now is organic, after noni juice, etc.. Recently a US manufacturer of organic baby foods had caused a stir.
In the past, most agricultural produce were naturally organic. Today, man cultivate the produce as organic. The wild ones are nature given organic and they are being sought after. Generally all natural products are good be it precious stones (diamond, ruby, sapphire etc.), natural pearl (recently a strung of pinkist pearl aution for over 2 digits million), wild ruffles cost thousand of dollars for small quantity, honey, ocean fish, abalone etc..
Some even so crazy in organic that they glow vege in small pots at home. I believe by eating such stuff may cause unwanted problems. Nature is such that the soil where organism take place underground, climatic conditions, sunlight are some of the factors contribute the nutrient.
Correct natural herbs and natural foods can reverse/cure chronic diseases. Learn to be selective in correct foods.
My MBA-trained colonic irrigation/massage therapist has me on:
1) alkazymes for my abnormal alkaline levels, which you can test strip over the counter until the current legislation before Congress makes it illegal (google and get involved) - has a MD ever tested your alkaline levels with a strip?
2) digestive enzymes as my infected, inflammed gall bladder was removed - MDS can prescribe digestive enzymes.
3) core bile as my infected, inflammed gall bladder was removed - MDs can also prescribe this after gall bladder removal to help you digest foods better, ever heard of anyone after gall bladder removal get that prescribed?
4) leaky gut supplement for when my scleroderma-stoned out upper intestine prolapsed and I was hospitalized and sent home with a "we dont know why you are vomiting and bloating like you are 9 months pg - my prolapsed intestine was hanging around my hips but no one noticed). A year of high enema colonics, a slant board hanging upside down, and the pushing with my fist finally got my intestine back up under my ribs where it belongs, guess they missed that part of Anatomy 101.
5) homocysteine redux for my confirmed sinus tach which my hubby read the rx docs and figured out I was having a reaction between the synthroid and the beta blocker (its clearly spelled out in the fine print) - only five years on this drug with my symptoms getting worse, but no MD had a clue what could be wrong. I took myself off the beta blocker, the sinus tach stabilized, and I have read that beta blockers can bring on autoimmune. Go figure.
Congress is currently ready to pass legislation to make medical doctors the ONLY source of all health: supplements, wild mushrooms, test strips, everything. Can we say ANTI-TRUST? Thanks Ronald for that deregulation of public utilities and savings and loans, that really worked well, and now we go back the other way, regulating the human body and our own decisions on how we want to treat our disease processes. Best of luck ~~ Cathy
I know I need to just let this go and ignore it. But I have to say to Koka that disagreeing with your posts and your ideas is not rude. We all have the freedom to decide for ourselves what to believe. The reason I said you were rude is because you blame the patients for their own disease and that is just unfair and you have no authority to do that. And I'm pretty certain that nobody on this board envies you in any way. I personally choose not to believe you and I'm entitled to that because I don't know you and I have no basis to think you're telling the truth. I don't see anything rude about that. Especially when now you're condemning organic produce? And people that don't like mushrooms? Come on, seriously. If you want people to try your product so badly, why do you treat everyone so disrespectfully? You're like a used car salesman.
Redheadtheresa, it is rude to make accusation and put words in other's mouth if you do not clearly understand my posts.
It is better for you not to believe nor agree in my posts. You don't like mushrooms is your business but I can post the benefits and value of mushrooms, why are you so upset?
Your post 43 - "Especially when now you're condemning organic produce?" I pointed out that there is subtle difference in 'natural' organic and 'cultivated' organic and without knowing the true organic nutrient to cultivate in small pot at home. As I believe such stuff may cause unwanted problems. What I wanted to highlight was not appropriate or correct way of organic cultivation might cause problems.
Your perjudice, accusation, negative attitude and assumption "like a used car salesman" reflect your argumentative, egocentric and narrow minded personalityKoka. If you really think about it, nothing we eat is really organic
anymore. Even people that eat wild meat don't stop and think that those
deer, elk, etc are grazing in the farmers wheat field that is riddled with
chemicals. The fish in the ocean have traces of mercury that leach into
the polluted water from our polluted air. The water we drink is full of
metabolized medications and god knows what else ( i cringe when i think
about it). Everyone chemically sprays their lawns and even if you don't
spray, the neighbors spraying blows your direction. Half the planet is in
warfare all the time, sending an enourmous amount of radioactive
materials into our environment. We won't even start on chemical and gas
emissions. And the cleaning products we use to clean our homes should
be outlawed. Everything we eat is packaged and processed and full of
chemicals. I'm not sure these vitamin/herb companies are really true to
their word (how do i know what is really in that bottle). The only way you
can absolutely insure that your food is (as pure as it can get) is if you
grow it yourself, pick it yourself, wash it yourself. The worlds bee
colonies are dying. Why is that? Think about it. Without bees, we will no
longer be able to survive. If our insects are dying, think about what is
happening on a bigger scale. The bottom line is, we human beings are
distroying the only planet that can sustain human life (that we know of).
And then we all wonder why we have autoimmune disease and why our 5
year old children have this. This is deviating from topic a bit but if we are
going to talk about healthy, organic, and natural, we need to start
thinking outside the box.Ok, I am a redhead, not a readhead. But I do read. I am VERY open-minded. Enough so, that I have taken the time to search for actual research and clinical studies on this product, which is supposed to be the "most researched herb." I could find nothing. I found ONE thing that was from a company selling the product. They had charts and info from "clinical research studies" but no citations as to where they actually came from. If they did it, I cannot trust it. So if you could point me in the direction of any real clinical research that I could look at, I would love to see it. It's not like I wouldn't be interested if there was anything to prove your statements. I may be too distrustful, but I'm sorry, it's difficult to take the word of someone halfway around the world talking on the internet. [QUOTE=kokako88]
Redheadtheresa, it is rude to make accusation and
put words in other's mouth if you do not clearly understand my posts. [/
P]
It is better for you not to believe nor agree in my posts. You don't like
mushrooms is your business but I can post the benefits and value of
mushrooms, why are you so upset?
Your post 43 - "Especially when now you're condemning organic
produce?" I pointed out that there is subtle difference in 'natural' organic
and 'cultivated' organic and without knowing the true organic nutrient to
cultivate in small pot at home. As I believe such stuff may cause
unwanted problems. What I wanted to highlight was not
appropriate or correct way of organic cultivation might cause problems.[/
P]
Your perjudice, accusation, negative attitude and assumption "like a
used car salesman" reflect your argumentative, egocentric and narrow
minded personalityonclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley36.gif'" alt=LOL http://
arthritisinsight.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif"> . If I am a used car
salesman then you are a suspect (not a prospectpointer" onclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley32.gif'" alt=Clap http://
arthritisinsight.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif">). You are really
readheadsmiley36.gif'" alt=LOL http://arthritisinsight.com/forum/smileys/
smiley36.gif">.
koka, i'm not sure what you are saying here. are you saying that
cultivating vegetables/herbs in small pots is not the correct way to
cultivate? please explain yourself.
What is core bile? Danny had his gall bladder removed and his surgeon said nothing about that. I am going to call my family practice doc since regular med docs can prescribe it. Anything to help him digest better. Maybe I will lift his no peanuts or pistachios ban if I can get him this stuff lol.
[QUOTE=justsaynoemore]My MBA-trained colonic irrigation/massage
therapist has me on:
1) alkazymes for my abnormal alkaline levels, which you can test strip
over the counter until the current legislation before Congress makes it
illegal (google and get involved) - has a MD ever tested your alkaline
levels with a strip?
2) digestive enzymes as my infected, inflammed gall bladder was
removed - MDS can prescribe digestive enzymes.
3) core bile as my infected, inflammed gall bladder was removed - MDs
can also prescribe this after gall bladder removal to help you digest foods
better, ever heard of anyone after gall bladder removal get that
prescribed?
4) leaky gut supplement for when my scleroderma-stoned out upper
intestine prolapsed and I was hospitalized and sent home with a "we dont
know why you are vomiting and bloating like you are 9 months pg - my
prolapsed intestine was hanging around my hips but no one noticed). A
year of high enema colonics, a slant board hanging upside down, and the
pushing with my fist finally got my intestine back up under my ribs where
it belongs, guess they missed that part of Anatomy 101.
5) homocysteine redux for my confirmed sinus tach which my hubby
read the rx docs and figured out I was having a reaction between the
synthroid and the beta blocker (its clearly spelled out in the fine print) -
only five years on this drug with my symptoms getting worse, but no MD
had a clue what could be wrong. I took myself off the beta blocker, the
sinus tach stabilized, and I have read that beta blockers can bring on
autoimmune. Go figure.
Congress is currently ready to pass legislation to make medical doctors
the ONLY source of all health: supplements, wild mushrooms, test strips,
everything. Can we say ANTI-TRUST? Thanks Ronald for that
deregulation of public utilities and savings and loans, that really worked
well, and now we go back the other way, regulating the human body and
our own decisions on how we want to treat our disease processes. Best
of luck ~~ Cathy
OH, that is nice to hear. I have been on a beta blocker since 99 for
headache prevention. I was also reading last week when I was on my
kidney rant that beta blockers can elevate your blood sugars which can
cause kidney problems. Man, does the information ever end? lol
Redheadtheresa, I do no have to please nor satisfy you. I don't have to trust me, you have to trust yourself if you are interested search for yourself. I am not here to satisfy you
lorster, neither do I what you are questioning or insinuating? Please explain yourself and your agenda.
I believe two of you are in PAIN yet no gain. Should you like questioning go to your medical providers, please. Do not create propaganda to me, no pain but have the gain, understand.
No pain, no gain? hmmm. Isn't that kind of high school? Koka, all I askedwas that you rephrased what you were saying about cultivated potted
vegetables. I was trying to figure out if you feel that it is unhealthy to put
plants in pots because that is the way I read it. You do not have to get
defensive. I just cannot figure out why you are hanging out on an RA board
when you are cured of this disease. I just want simple answers. Koko - you said "Do not create propaganda to me, no pain but have the gain, understand".
I think you yourself have shown us a great deal of propaganda over some long period of time. As well as some name calling - not really a nice thing to do to people that are in pain and difficulty.
I think that Lorster's question was perfectly reasonable, I myself wondered why the pots and not in a garden plot, I thought it might mean that you only had limited space in your yard.
kiwilass2 you can think what you like and don't wonder too much. You and lorster think alike so let it be.
I do not need to rephrase, just skip since you can not figure out.
If you are in pain and difficulty go and question your medical proiders and don't waste time questioning garden plot or the pots. Also don't use your detriment as self pity to weigh other down. What is in line to your thinking is take whatever drugs you can and give you the normal life
If others can do away with drugs and overcome the disease with herbs and correct natural foods, it is freedom for them. This is my positive emotion to encourage them to do so. That is why I am here, lorster.
In this board, we need more contructive contributors not prosecutors
"No pain, no gain? hmmm. Isn't that kind of high school?" This is your phrase not mine in your high school? Also don't try to figure out the plant when you have your weight and drugs you need to sort out.
You posted - "I just want simple answers."
I also want simple answers - why herbs and correct natural foods get into your nerves to launch offensives?
Koka, I'm not against the use of "herbs and correct natural foods" but you
say this over and over and over but never specify what it is you do. I
know you take this wild lingzhi mushroom but what else? explain it. You
also do not go into any detail about your cured disease. I just question
why you are here if your disease has been cured by your diet. Not
everyone has the luxury of lingzhi out in their back yard. Last time I
checked, southwest montana does not have the climate. You claim you
get these mushrooms wild and process them into your own uses. I
googled this and only came up with companies that sell the capsules. I
have no proof of what is in the capsules. Couldd be corn starch for all I
know. You are clearly on the defensive. I did not understand what you
meant when you mentioned potted plants. I wondered if there was
something unhealthy about doing that, it was perfectly innocent.
Furthermore, I am working on my weight and diet if you have read my
posts. I strongly feel that my lifestyle of the past got me into this pickle(I
have stated this also many times) and now am working hard to undo the
damage. I am not a big advocate of medications but like many on this
board, have been furrowed into this rut and it takes time to get out.
These things do not happen overnight for anyone. You should know that
spending the past 20 years fighting your disease. Many of your posts
sound like the same old sales tactics of some that come on here to sell
their cure all product. I was hoping you were just another person who
had RA and wanted to share their story and experiences with us but you
clearly have your own agenda and when someone questions you, you
attack. I'm tired of it personally. If you want to engage in conversation
without attacking me, that is fine, I told you in a previous post that I was
interested in trying the wild stuff you are advocating but you never came
back and answered me where I can get it in the same quality you get.
You only attacked me. Go back and read my posts. Just quit attacking
me.[QUOTE=kokako88]
Redheadtheresa, I do no have to please nor satisfy you. I don't have to trust me, you have to trust yourself if you are interested search for yourself. I am not here to satisfy you
[/QUOTE]
Well, that pretty much answers my question. You say you're here to help people overcome their disease by providing them with information, but when someone asks you for real information, you offer nothing. I wasn't being sarcastic. I told you, I did search for myself and found nothing. So I am done here. This isn't worth my time.
I don't believe KoKa had RA, it was 20 years of suffering with Gout.HE HAS GOUT!!!! what does he know about RA?
This has gotten out of control, is there a way to report people who refuse to stop posting on sites where they don't belong? Now that he is starting to insult people personally and name calling people who are only asking for more information....
I believe that gout is one of the 100 forms of arthritis that they will admit to, and this is an Arthritis Forum, not just a RA forum. I appreciate any information for any source, then throw away what I don't believe or think pertains to my form of arthritis (of which I have the pleasure of having I think up to 7 different arthritic conditions now, but I forget and only 93 to go to make the full 100!) Take care ~~ Cathylorster, I shared my story in post 369:
" remembered 20years ago, I was bedridden for at least 1.5 months in each flare. The acute attack from one joint could quickly spread to multi joints of both legs and on set to usually right shoulder joints and chest. Sup